“I know some of these big guys, they’re all still driving their big SUVs. You know, they got their big monster trucks and everything. You’re one of them? Well, now, here’s my point. If you’re complaining about the price of gas and you’re only getting eight miles a gallon–(laughter)–you may have a big family, but it’s probably not that big. How many you have? Ten kids, you say? Ten kids? (Laughter.) Well, you definitely need a hybrid van then. “ — President Obama, speaking at a wind farm to a worker.
It's always nice when your president responds to your concerns by laughing at you. He's so in touch with the common man.
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Is there even a hybrid van on the market? Did he assume that the "big guys" drive SUV's ?
Current 2011 model vehicles: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byclass.htm No hybrid vans listed. I didn't see any hybrid minivans, either. You can get full size hybrid SUVs, like the Chevy Tahoe Hybrid. It is rated at 20 city / 23 highway.
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Originally posted by Formula88: It's always nice when your president responds to your concerns by laughing at you. He's so in touch with the common man.
What else can we expect from an elitist?
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Posts: 6163 From: Mertztown PA Registered: Mar 2008
You'd think he would NOT have left the ditch so deep when he parted the waters..........
And how come there aren't a kajillion wind turbines over on the right side of the picture? The alternative energy in the promised land is what--unicorn farts?
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I was thinking that myself. But he has no idea about having to afford things. "You can't afford a hybrid van? Just get one of your friends to buy one, then sell it to you well below market value. Problem Solved."
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You'd think he would NOT have left the ditch so deep when he parted the waters..........
And how come there aren't a kajillion wind turbines over on the right side of the picture? The alternative energy in the promised land is what--unicorn farts?
Even OPM doesn't trump NIMBY. The windmills couldn't be built because they'd mess up the scenic view.
But you may be onto something with the unicorn farts....
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Telling me what i need? That isn't his job or his call. He needs to get out of my life and wallet. Arrogant SOB.
It is, according to Obama and the Democrats in Congress that passed ObamaCare. They have the authority to tell you what you need and what you have to buy because of the Commerce clause in the Constitution. (that's their interpretation of it)
If you don't do what they say, you'll pay the price - literally, like the fines for not buying insurance or the 90% tax rate Congress wanted to put on the AIG bonuses because the people who received the bonuses didn't willingly give them back when told to.
Oh, and it makes you a racist, too.
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How is it Obama is supposed to make world gas prices go down again? Oh wait... he is apparently trying to start to change the massive dependance on Oil.
And why should others care if someone pays more because they choose a vehicle that is hard on gas. I thought that's what the free market and freedom were all about, do what you want, including in terms of what you drive but hey keeps the demand up.
Telling me what i need? That isn't his job or his call. He needs to get out of my life and wallet. Arrogant SOB.
Wow that was you he was talking to?? Cool, it must be tough with 10 kids, certainly you didn't expect it to be expensive to raise ten children when you decided to have them and now out of nowhere gas prices are up. Life sucks when other people do things to make your life hard like that. (kidding...well sort of... more sarcasm I suppose)
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Originally posted by newf: How is it Obama is supposed to make world gas prices go down again? Oh wait... he is apparently trying to start to change the massive dependance on Oil.
He could have started by NOT imposing the drilling ban in the gulf. That would affect the oil futures market. He made the situation worse by fighting for the ban by appealing the ruling against it in court.
He could have started by NOT imposing the drilling ban in the gulf. That would affect the oil futures market. He made the situation worse by fighting for the ban by appealing the ruling against it in court.
Not sure that would have made much difference and I think this was discussed pretty well in another recent thread but a valid point none the less.
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using hydrogen to mix with what ever fuel your vehicle uses you will extend the Miles you get from a tank of gas BY UP TO 30% and you will have nothing out the exhaust but steam so you will not be contributing to your countrys smog problems, all for a cost of $400AUD. Easy to fit , just like wiring up driving lights HawkesburyHydrogen.com Skype : fiero1281 +61412119530 +61448119310
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While I think Boogie Woogie Bama is an idiot he is right about hybrid minivans being available now and they have been since 09.
Top Hybrid Minivan Models For 2009 The latest consumer statistics show an increasing number of purchased hybrid minivans in 2008 because of the increasing oil prices where the price per barrel peaked at $147 last June 2008. Although prices have sharply decreased since the historic peak, more people are sticking to the opinion that hybrid minivans are the way to go for 2009. Thus, we are seeing more manufacturers competing in this market. Manufacturers are pouring dollars into extensive marketing campaigns, and research and development to make hybrid minivans more affordable to mass consumers. One of the reasons why hybrid minivans are popular is because it hits the right balance of general purpose and function, seating capacity for group travel, and low cost. Hybrid minivans are great for families who need a car for everyday use. Hybrid minivans also have a more streamlined and appealing appearance with a distinct design that will let your neighbors know that you own a hybrid. Major car manufacturers pour a lot of money into research and development, so they can keep the cost down for consumers and gain a larger market share in the future. Continuous innovation is the name of the game for these manufacturers if they ever want to become competitive in the future. Although Toyota has come ahead with their Prius line, the Japanese automaker knows that it will be facing a much tougher competition ahead. Let us look at the line-up of the top hybrid minivan models for 2009.
Toyota Sienna Hybrid Minivan With the Prius being the icon of consumer-class hybrid vehicles, Toyota become known as the company that brought us supra-efficient vehicles, thanks to their steadfast commitment to the technology since the early 1990's. The 2009 Toyota Sienna Hybrid Minivan is a significant upgrade from the Toyota Estima. The 2009 Toyota Sienna is considered the first of the "true minivans" that will enter the US retail market. The 2.4-liter, four cylinder engine is comparable to hybrid SUV engines like the 2008 Highlander and Lexus SUVs. The Sienna can also clock up to 270 hp and a 0 to 60 mph acceleration of 8 seconds. The four-wheel electric drive system aids the gas engine, while the aerodynamic body design minimizes the drag of the minivan for more fuel efficiency. In addition, the insulated roof design and humidity-sensing air conditioning system further decreases fuel consumption. With a fuel efficiency of 40 miles per gallon, this family vehicle is definitely a must-watch for 2009. 2009 Toyota Prius Base Hybrid Minivan Following the success of the Toyota Prius, many expect the 2009 update to be on par with the previous model. The 2009 Prius hybrid minivan could go on sale at a tune of $22,000, which is a bargain price considering the reported 49 miles per gallon in fuel efficiency. The 2009 Toyota Prius Base sports a 1.5 liter, 16 valve engine running at 110 horsepower and 5000 rpm. This hybrid minivan comes with a lot of internal options such as anti-theft and locks, vehicle stability control system, GPS Navigation, premium surround sound from JBL, MP3 player, and Bluetooth® Like all hybrid cars, the Toyota Prius packs the most punch given the price. Most owners of the Prius are happy with the snappy performance and fuel efficiency. If you own a Prius, you will be reminded how good you have it every time you pass by a gasoline station. 2009 Honda Civic Hybrid Honda is the only other car manufacturer that offers close to minivan capacity with a hybrid engine. That model is the 2009 Honda Civic hybrid. This beauty sports a 1.3L, 8-valve engine running at 110hp at 6000 rpm. The Civic hybrid model also features automatic transmission. This Honda model is one of the few cars that can match the fuel efficiency of Toyota hybrid minivans. At 40 miles per gallon, you can bring the Civic hybrid everywhere without worrying about gas prices. The 2009 Honda Civic hybrid is available in Alabaster Silver Metallic, Atomic Blue Metallic, Crystal Black Pearl, Magnetic Pearl, and Polished White Metallic. Hybrid vehicles will be the hottest purchase items in 2009. However, it will take some time before car manufacturers finally say yes to the market and offer various minivan hybrids. In addition to the Prius, Sienna, and the Honda Civic, you will find either hybrid cars, or hybrid utility vehicles. Unfortunately, the sweet middle spot that the market wants, such as hybrid minivans and hybrid crossover SUVs, are not yet fully engaged in the market. Other Hybrid Minivan Models If you are looking for an alternative for hybrid minivans other than Toyota Prius, your best bet is models such as the Toyota Highlander hybrid, 2009 Lexus Hybrid Sedan, or the 2009 Saturn Vue. None of these cars offer close to the fuel efficiency that the Sienna, Prius, and the Civic offer. One problem with the previous Prius updates is that the car has a slow and laggy feel. The 2009 update promises to be much faster and sleeker while maintaining the excellent fuel efficiency that it is known for. Other notable hybrid models that you should watch out for are the 2009 Toyota Camry Hybrid, 2009 Ford Escape hybrid, 2009 Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid, and the 2009 Lexus RX 400h. Hybrid Minivan Buying Guide And Resource If you are considering a hybrid minivan next year, it is best to start your research now. Read relevant auto magazines or blog articles regarding upcoming hybrid minivan models. If you are just considering buying a hybrid vehicle now, it is important that you understand the physics behind these cars, so you can have a better grasp on the market before you buy. There are dedicated websites for green cars and hybrid models. If you want to know more about hybrid minivans, you can start your search with any reputable auto consumer website. Most consumer websites have a dedicated section for hybrid vehicles. For market trends, reviews, and roundups, you can go to sites like Yahoo Auto, Hybridcars.com, or Hybridcarstrucksvans.com.
That article must have been written for another market as the honda site does not list a hybrid Odyssey. Also how the heck is a subcompact close to a minivan?
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84fiero123 Member
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That article must have been written for another market as the honda site does not list a hybrid Odyssey. Also how the heck is a subcompact close to a minivan?
Better question, How does a guy with 10 kids afford 10 kids? And why hasn’t he tied his dick in a knot? Steve
Some can, my uncle for example. They had 10 children ( not all at once however ), and were able to afford to properly take care of and provide for them.
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Formula88 Member
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While I think Boogie Woogie Bama is an idiot he is right about hybrid minivans being available now and they have been since 09.
He didn't say minivan, he said van, a "hybrid van." If you need to carry 10 passengers, a minivan isn't going to get the job done, unless you're carrying clowns.
But either way, to me the actual vehicle mentioned is less telling than his reaction and laughter at the man's question.
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Better question, How does a guy with 10 kids afford 10 kids? And why hasn’t he tied his dick in a knot? Steve
Even better question, Who are you, me, Obama, or anyone else to say how many kids a person is allowed to have? Or what kind of vehicle they need to drive?
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Posts: 38235 From: Displaced Alaskan Registered: Jun 2003
Originally posted by Formula88: Even better question, Who are you, me, Obama, or anyone else to say how many kids a person is allowed to have? Or what kind of vehicle they need to drive?
Actually if he has 10 kids, he would need a 12 passengers van with him and the wife now wouldn’t it? To split hairs.
The pres is an idiot, I think I said that by the name I used and my opinion of him in other threads. I bet he doesn’t know a thing about cars. Other than the fact that he gets driven around in one, at taxpayers expense.
Now does he need to ride in an 5 MPG limo? As far as I am concerned NO. But then we have to protect him with all that BP glass. So no sicko can get to him.
Most people don’t have a clue about cars and trucks now days. Open the hood on just about any new truck and most would find it hard to locate anything. It is all covered by plastic, to make it look pretty and hide things so you can’t see leaks. Then have to bring it to a shop to get work done.
Steve
------------------ Technology is great when it works, and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't. Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.
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Scottzilla79 Member
Posts: 2573 From: Chicago, IL Registered: Oct 2009
True story. A friend' brother owns Obama's former car. She told me what it is, but can't remember exactly. I think its a Lesabre. Was definitely not a hybrid or subcompact.
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Formula88 Member
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True story. A friend' brother owns Obama's former car. She told me what it is, but can't remember exactly. I think its a Lesabre. Was definitely not a hybrid or subcompact.
I suppose he's only owned one car in his life? The person who told me this story is a little old lady at church and it was her brother that bought it. I will ask her as her name is not O'Boyle I don't know what her maiden name is. He bought it off a used car lot. A Chrysler 300 is no gas sipper either so my point is still valid even if you don't believe my story. (it's not really my story, little old lady told me)
It's always nice when your president responds to your concerns by laughing at you. He's so in touch with the common man.
He lied! I mean, he FLAT OUT LIED!
Firstly, just because we MAY have 2% of the world's oil preserves, and use 25% of the consumed oil per year... we aren't consuming 100% of the world's oil preserves every year! Not even close! If we started drilling more in America we CAN supply our own petroleum based energy for quite awhile!
Also, he said most petroleum use is in trucks and SUVs.... Is he serious? It's in PLASTICS... not even automobiles at all!
I wonder if he's planning on giving those hybrid vans away then? Disillusioned prick... 
