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SCOTUS upholds Phelps Church right to protest funerals! by Doni Hagan
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The Supreme Court has given the Phelps gang carte blanche to keep their crap up.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id...itics-more_politics/

Do the families have the right to "respond with extreme prejudice?"

BTW...I posted this under "religion" but it could go either way....religion or politics.

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sickening. I hope each and everyone of them burns in "their" hell. This **** is ridiculous, yes it is their constitutional right to speak out against the soldiers but i mean cmon, there are some things that you just don't do.

edit: the immature side of me hopes that someone will do a driveby at one of their protests and the perp gets away or is given an official pardon by the governor of whatever state it happens at and then a bunch of the familys of the peoples funerals that have been protested at can get together and go protest at the funerals. I would gladly send in 10 towards a plane ticket for someone.

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I still don't know what they think they are accomplishing, these protesters.
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I guess it is the right decision as they should have the freedom to state their minds but those are some vile people that have the gall to protest a patriots funeral.

Please tell me the military are working on non lethal ways to take care of them
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I just have to hold my nose and agree that the Court's decision is constitutionally correct.

On the other hand, I heard last night that professional ethics complaints have recently been filed in Kansas against all of the attorneys in the Phelps cult. Fred Phelps himself was disbarred in 1979 by the Kansas Supreme Court for unprofessional conduct, although he continued to practice in the Federal courts for ten more years. Disbarment of other attorneys among them would certainly make it more expensive for them to use the courts to bully and intimidate opponents.

The bizzare behavior of the Phelps cult is outside the understanding of most sane people. How displaying large cartoon banners depicting anal intercourse, across the street from an elementary school yet, is "doing God's work" is beyond my comprehension.

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Even though I'm pretty conservative, I'm glad the SCOTUS ruled the way they did. I abhor what these clowns are doing and I don't think they should, but if the courts start taking away free speech, where would it stop? I was just talking to a close friend about this on facebook and she doesn't understand how I could be for this. She ended up 'de-friending' me.

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I believe that, by the letter of the law, the Supreme Court ruled correctly.

I also believe that it's the perfect illustration of the fact that just because something is legal, it doesn't necessarily mean it's right.
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not sure why it was even in question
of course they can

sucks that religous people are so hateful, but - wtf ya gonna do.....
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Originally posted by Pyrthian:

not sure why it was even in question
of course they can

sucks that religous people are so hateful, but - wtf ya gonna do.....


Its hard to even laugh at your posts sometimes. Are you trying to point out the obvious generalization people are supposed to draw from this story being reported over and over and over, and how rediculous it is?
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Originally posted by Pyrthian:

sucks that religous people are so hateful.....


Do you lump EVERYONE together into categories "religious people are hateful" , or just the ones you yourself openly hate?

Wait, you were just baiting people to say something. You got me.
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Yeah, they have the right to do it... the judgement was constitutionally valid... and that is exactly why the Supreme Court exists.

That said, I can't stand that church. I mean, it's really only like 11 people or something from what I understand. Anyway, as much as I hate them, they have the right to do it. We can't start censoring people just because we don't like what they have to say.

We just have to make sure that we get enough volunteers to create a wall between them.

Ever heard that lady interviewed? She's really out there...

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Originally posted by 2.5:

I still don't know what they think they are accomplishing, these protesters.


Lets see what I can remember when they visited our town in protest--
They disrupted the community peace and incited a mental riot in enough folks that extra law enforcement to be called in. They disrupted traffic in the area. They did not have enough respect to honor the passed veteran enabling them to protest. They personally caused me to go see the spectical and be ready to literally kick butt should violence break out.

The only thing I could concider they caused positive to happen is when the funeral goers raised their voices in song and in honor of the fallen soildier loud enough to drown out any noise coming from the protesters.

While I feel they have the right to protest and public debate I feel they do not have the right to cause disruption in any community to the degree they have while exercising their rights.
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Originally posted by Flamberge:
Do you lump EVERYONE together into categories "religious people are hateful" , or just the ones you yourself openly hate?

Wait, you were just baiting people to say something. You got me.




just like Muslims are terrorists.....
but, everyone will let that one slide, wont they?
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Originally posted by doug.s:

Even though I'm pretty conservative, I'm glad the SCOTUS ruled the way they did. I abhor what these clowns are doing and I don't think they should, but if the courts start taking away free speech, where would it stop? I was just talking to a close friend about this on facebook and she doesn't understand how I could be for this. She ended up 'de-friending' me.

Doug


The vote was 8-1 for the protesters. The only contrary voice was Samuel Alito......the last guy I expected...what is goin on.
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Originally posted by Gall757:


...what is goin on.


The wrong argument was presented to the court. Its not about their right to protest or publically debate. Its about how much disruption is allowed before they are charged with inciting a riot.

I hope the next time they attempt to disrupt a funeral they are rode out of town on a rail then tared and feathered and charged with inciting a riot!! Let them try and fight that. The court did aknowledge their protest was hurtful. Well people do respond to pain in many ways. Riot that Pain!!

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Originally posted by Pyrthian:

not sure why it was even in question
of course they can

sucks that religous people are so hateful, but - wtf ya gonna do.....


Lock and load. lol
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Originally posted by htexans1:


Lock and load. lol


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Michigan’s law barring protesters from funerals might be vulnerable after today’s ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court.

The nation’s highest court ruled in favor of an anti-gay group that pickets at military funerals.

Michigan, like dozens of other states, passed a law in 2006 to prevent the protests from disrupting funerals here.

At the time, the states were trying to prevent a fundamentalist Christian Church from Kansas from picketing military funerals.

The pickets were not opposing the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan, but against gay rights.

The ACLU challenged Michigan’s law after a couple attending a family friend’s funeral was arrested for having anti-George W. Bush signs on their car.

Dan Korobkin, with the ACLU, says the new court ruling may be enough to tip the balance in their challenge to Michigan’s law:

“Laws that are created to stifle unpopular speech, which is what the law in Michigan was created to do, always end up backfiring and punishing innocent people.”

Korobkin says they hope to hear soon from the federal judge considering their challenge to the state law, "the federal judge who is overseeing that case has already indicated that it is probably unconstitutional, but he hasn’t taken the final step of striking it down," said Korobkin.
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This as difficult one for me........Gut reaction is Phelps is a piece of crap....but yes, I think the court was right to defend free speach....

Dont mean Phelps cant be dealt with in other ways.....I dunno about him, but if I pizzed off and disrespected the entire US army, marine corps, airforce AND all of its serving allies...well, I wouldnt sleep very well and would be looking over my shoulder
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Pissed me off something special when I was hearing the report, then I remembered, Free speech protects idiots as well as Patriots. I vented by putting up a YouTube that I presume is also protected by the 8-1 ruling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VYaqccZTk8

Any a-hole that says a 9 year old is "better off dead" will surely have his words and lifestyle come full circle.

Sometimes it is tougher to be a Citizen than others. Free Speech Won, but Phelps is still a loser. At some point there should be a rational debate of when a Church isn't a church, but a political organization. Those so deemed to spend an inordinate amount of their time and money to focus on political speech should lose their tax-exempt status.

In the mean time, support your local fallen Hero and support their families and sacrifice by showing up and using your voice to drown out Phelps and his "hurtful" political rhetoric.


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Get a list of the "church's" members. When one of their family members passes, give it right back to them. Have a massive crowd protest the "church" and their beliefs. Betcha the Phelps cult, erm, I mean "church" members will stop their foolishness in short order.

If one of my family members passed and their funeral fell victim to a protest, I hate to think what I would do I'm not one to sit quietly, I can only be pushed so far. TO ME freedom of speech has it's place, dishonoring the memory of a loved one is not where it needs to be exercised, please take it to D.C or the media.

I had more but deleted it, got way too far off topic

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Originally posted by Pyrthian:




just like Muslims are terrorists.....
but, everyone will let that one slide, wont they?


I don't know. You tell me, since you seem to know how everyone is.
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Originally posted by Wudman:

...At some point there should be a rational debate of when a Church isn't a church, but a political organization. Those so deemed to spend an inordinate amount of their time and money to focus on political speech should lose their tax-exempt status.
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Thank you.
I have long held this belief. And not just in the case of Phelps and his phonies.
There are any number of "churches" whose sole purpose is to influence the political tides, or just to stir up the masses.

Good video.
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Originally posted by Ramsespride:

sickening. I hope each and everyone of them burns in "their" hell. This **** is ridiculous, yes it is their constitutional right to speak out against the soldiers but i mean cmon, there are some things that you just don't do.

edit: the immature side of me hopes that someone will do a driveby at one of their protests and the perp gets away or is given an official pardon by the governor of whatever state it happens at and then a bunch of the familys of the peoples funerals that have been protested at can get together and go protest at the funerals. I would gladly send in 10 towards a plane ticket for someone.




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And the best part of being and American citizen is the fact that im allowed to call you names and belittle you


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The fact is, Phelps is going to have a demonstration the likes no one has ever seen when he dies. And then his family and friends who love and miss him can read all the true signs about what a hateful jerk he was.

And I hope I will be there.
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Originally posted by Wudman:

Sometimes it is tougher to be a Citizen than others.



Fred increases the difficulty factor.

 
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Originally posted by Raydar:

There are any number of "churches" whose sole purpose is to influence the political tides, or just to stir up the masses.

Good video.


I agree this should be addressed in many a church.

Wud I think you have a very valid angle to his retoric. I like your video.

Just a passing thought but if someone yelled FIRE at one of fred's protest and the whole crowd run over him and his idiots to get away from the fire and trampled them wonder what the out come of that would be should fred be able to take it to court?
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The "ass end" of free speech, but unfortunately necessary.
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Bear, you're 1000% right.

It doesn't make it any easier to swallow, though. Like Tbone said, one of these days, Phelps will go to meet his maker and I pray his funeral receives the same degree of reverence he gave to others.

When that day comes, I for one think it warrants a "road trip."
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No surprise, SCOTUS uphold KKK rights to parade in black neighborhood... look it up yourself or watch History channel.

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.....and allowed the National Socialist Party (Nazi) to march through Skokie, Illinois...an overwhelmingly Jewish community.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...v._Village_of_Skokie

It STILL doesn't make it right though....or FEEL right at any rate.
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Originally posted by Doni Hagan:

.....and allowed the National Socialist Party (Nazi) to march through Skokie, Illinois...an overwhelmingly Jewish community.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...v._Village_of_Skokie

It STILL doesn't make it right though....or FEEL right at any rate.


YUP!

 
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On a somewhat related note, I did a report in school on the case of Skokie vs. The National Socialist Party of America.

From Wikipedia:
1977 - The National Socialist Party of America (a Neo-Nazi group) planned a march in the town of Skokie, Illinois, a largely Jewish community. Many Skokie residents were Holocaust survivors. The neo-Nazi leader, Frank Collin, originally had proposed a march in Marquette Park on Chicago's Southwest side where their headquarters was located. The Park District asked for a huge insurance bond to indemnify them against any damage caused by the anticipated violence hoping that this requirement would dissuade them from marching. The neo-Nazis then threatened to march in Skokie.


I understand the hatred that the Jewish population felt, but in the end you have to realize that we live in America that has freedom for everybody (as long as they respect the freedoms of others) and you have to give that right to every minority group, until they abuse it and cause violence against our great country, then you show them the full force of the United States Armed Forces.

The First Amendment can be a b!tch, but I will stick with it til the end.

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I don't think there was ever really much of a question of whether they had the right to assemble and protest, but I do think, that eventually, this type of hatred will end badly for Phelps, and I'm not talking about an afterlife..
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Originally posted by Raydar:


Thanks for the comments on the video. One of the few I didn't have to redo a dozen times.

If anything is frustrating about how this decision is being reported it is that they call it a "victory" for his group. In reality, he didn't win anything, but by spinning it that way, the media gets a little more mileage out of the decision.
Fred and his family of goons have been around St. Louis and South Central, IL a few times. I have been to two funerals, but will redouble my efforts to attend more. Not much else to do but express ourselves louder.

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I like the idea of showing up and protesting at his church services. How about a concert on the sidewalk out in front of his building. I wonder if the Village People would do a reunion show
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I like the idea of showing up and protesting at his church services. How about a concert on the sidewalk out in front of his building. I wonder if the Village People would do a reunion show


I like the way you think.

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They have been at two military visitations I have attended. No funerals though.

One for my friend, which most of you know about, and another for a marine I saw on the news and felt compelled to go see the visitation.

Both times, a group called The Freedom Riders was there, and basically made it to where nobody even knew Phelps was there. They guard the perimeter and Phelps doesn't get anywhere near them. It's really cool.

I don't know what I would have done if I had seen them at Phil's actual funeral. I imagine I would have given them the exact response they wanted... but then I guess I'd just be in jail.

I pity them.
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Here is the best way that I have seen to deal with the Phelps gang:

http://www.godvine.com/Chri...len-Soldier-278.html
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Originally posted by Doug85GT:

Here is the best way that I have seen to deal with the Phelps gang:

http://www.godvine.com/Chri...len-Soldier-278.html


Patriot Guard = Freedom Riders! Yes! That's what I was talking about! It is very effective.
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interview today on Fox Sunday

http://www.foxnews.com/on-a...ws-sunday/index.html

The Supreme Court rules in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church, whose members picket military funerals with anti-gay protests. The court’s controversial 8-1 ruling cited that the protests were within the church’s First Amendment rights. “Fox News Sunday,” anchor Chris Wallace interviews the daughter of Westboro’s founder, who’s also the attorney who successfully argued the case.
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Originally posted by Ramsespride:

sickening. I hope each and everyone of them burns in "their" hell. This **** is ridiculous, yes it is their constitutional right to speak out against the soldiers but i mean cmon, there are some things that you just don't do.

edit: the immature side of me hopes that someone will do a driveby at one of their protests and the perp gets away or is given an official pardon by the governor of whatever state it happens at and then a bunch of the familys of the peoples funerals that have been protested at can get together and go protest at the funerals. I would gladly send in 10 towards a plane ticket for someone.



Yep, it is their right to act like jerks and i don't wish that they get gunned down as that makes you sound no better then they are. What if you were at a protest that someone else didn't agree with ( by definition .. a protest ) does that make it ok for you to get killed by sympathizers of the other side?

Rights are a double edged sword, as they should be. Must honor theirs or we have none either. And i refuse to go down the path of 'you have rights express yourself, but you cant do xyz beacuse we disagree with that expression'

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