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"It's just the weather" by fierosound
Started on: 12-05-2010 03:55 PM
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Winter came in fast, cold and white in Calgary a couple of weeks ago. Lots of snow and below -20C temperatures for over a week. Temps were well below our "normals" for this time of year, but have managed levelled off to where they should be (following a very cool "summer that never was") Yup - "it's just the weather" as we're freezing our butts shovelling snow...

But looking around the world and back a couple of years - is it "just the weather" or a trend toward colder, more extreme winters?? Looks like a serious "colder winters" trend to me.

Writers are running out of adjectives - "weather bomb", historic, record setting, record breaking, ...of the decade, ... of the century, epic, monster storm, extreme, snowmageddon etc.

These aren't "snowed in town last night" stories, but unusual snowfalls and storms that have crippled states, countries, even continents
(I tried to avoid posting links to stories on the "same storm") Tons more storm stories available.

... and the 2010/2011 winter season in the northern hemisphere is only starting!!

Feb 1, 2011 US http://abcnews.go.com/US/wi...st/story?id=12808710
Jan 26, 2011 US/Canada http://www.ledger-enquirer....oo-bad-another.html#
Jan 21, 2011 Canada http://www.theweathernetwor...?ref=stormwatch_city

Dec 26, 2010 US http://news.sky.com/skynews...01012415871565?f=rss
Dec 20, 2010 Australia http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...ia-in-midsummer.html
Dec 20, 2010 Europe http://uk.reuters.com/artic...dUSTRE6BI0WZ20101220
Dec 14, 2010 Middle East http://www.accuweather.com/...?partner=accuweather
Dec 13, 2010 US/Canada http://www.cbsnews.com/stor...al/main7144920.shtml
Dec 6, 2010 Canada http://www.theglobeandmail....nada/article1826270/
Dec 3, 2010 Europe http://news.smh.com.au/brea...-20101203-18ikc.html
Nov 30, 2010 China http://english.peopledaily....6/90882/7215264.html
Nov 23, 2010 US http://www.cbsnews.com/stor...al/main7083049.shtml
Nov 17, 2010 Canada http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS.../11/17/16178691.html

Apr 9, 2010 Canada http://www.sott.net/article...ta-with-snow-and-ice
March 1, 2010 Europe http://www.boston.com/news/...res_hurt_or_missing/
Feb 10, 2010 US http://articles.cnn.com/201...lantic-city?_s=PM:US
Feb 7, 2010 US http://www.washingtonpost.c...AR2010020600683.html
Jan 15, 2010 China http://english.ntdtv.com/nt...15/456403378089.html
Jan 5, 2010 Europe http://news.smh.com.au/brea...-20101203-18ikc.html
Jan 4, 2010 China http://www.csmonitor.com/Wo...h-shovels-and-bamboo

Dec 18, 2009 US http://www.citytv.com/toron...has-tourists-talking
Nov 13, 2009 China http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/...-pacific/8358162.stm
Mar 2, 2009 US http://www.commercialappeal...r/02/wintry-weekend/
Feb 6, 2009 UK http://www.thisisdorset.co....-detail/article.html
Feb 2, 2009 UK http://www.guardian.co.uk/u...snow-extreme-weather
Jan 2, 2009 Canada http://www.upi.com/Top_News.../UPI-43201230915628/

Dec 22, 2008 Canada http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ne...2/nb-snow-storm.html
Dec 18, 2008 US http://www.lvrj.com/news/36367204.html
Apr 7, 2008 UK http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...for-two-decades.html
Jan 28, 2008 China http://www.nowpublic.com/we...decades-no-end-sight
Jan 12, 2008 Baghdad http://thescotsman.scotsman...for-first.3666216.jp

Dec 18, 2007 Canada http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7148300.stm
Oct 13, 2006 Canada http://www.cbc.ca/canada/to...13/snow-niagara.html
Feb 13, 2006 US http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4706792.stm
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Last year we had a ton of snow here, but not necessaily super cold temperatures. The year before, I plowed ONCE, and that snow was gone by the next week. Pretty frigid, but no precip. I figured since we had such a dry year here, it would be another less-snow winter, but so ar we've gotten a few inches and they are sticking around.

Not sure if there really is a weather trend here.. appears totally random from year to year. Summers have been getting hotter and drier, but winters are still hard to predict.
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The world went through a warming trend in the late 90's. This spawned the "Global Warming" scare. The world went through a cooling period in the early 70's which spawned the "ice age" scare.

Right now the weather is oscillating between extremes. Tonight, here in Southern Ontario they are forcasting a real dump. Probably 45 cms or a foot and a half of snow. This is all pretty normal in this part of the world, but, there are places in Europe where the winter is really digging in. We should expect a really rough winter for most of the world followed by a long hot summer.

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Last 2 years, have been much colder here than normal--normal being during my other years here. Not record cold temps, or even really cold all winter, just more extended periods of sub freezing temps than has been the case in my time here. For here, 7 straight nights of below freezing is unusual--last January or February.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/073715.html

Sorry--it just ain't supposed to snow 6 inches in my neck of the woods. Or in Corpus Christi or El Paso.
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First snowfall of the season here this weekend. That's very early. We usually don't get snow before January, and many years we don't get any at all.
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Originally posted by Formula88:

First snowfall of the season here this weekend. That's very early. We usually don't get snow before January, and many years we don't get any at all.


That tells us a lot.



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Spokane broke the November record. Damn you global warming..... (fist shaking smiley)
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This morning I had 14" of fresh snow on my porch rail. It was over knee deep in the driveway.

Christmas must be coming.

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That big dump of snow we got in November (snowed on and off for a week) prompted me to finally buy a snowblower. Clearing the walks on a corner lot (feels like a 1/2 mile long) really had me huffin' & puffin' (I'm 55 now) and I was dreading the rest of the winter right away. Don't want to be dead in a snowdrift.

Got a 4-year-old Sears 9.5hp/27" dual stage for $1000 LESS than when it was new. Did an oil change, lube, new belts and I'm set for the "big snow" now

I'll even be clearing my parking area with this thing. Of course, Murphy's Law being what it is, we'll likely have little snow the rest of the winter now.

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Originally posted by Arns85GT:

This morning I had 14" of fresh snow on my porch rail. It was over knee deep in the driveway.

Christmas must be coming.

Arn


And here I am an hour away from ya, and we got only a light dusting

Amazing what a different lake can do.

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From the Nov 30 China report:

"The snow fell on the League's county-level Horqin Right Front Banner at the China-Mongolia border 40 days earlier than is usual, and was the heaviest in 30 years. Snow has accumulated up to 30 cm deep in most parts of the region , and 50 cm in some areas..."

That's 12-20 inches of snow all at once! A big problem in open fields for livestock, and horrendous in towns/cities for everyone else.

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Last year by this time we probably had at least 20 inches piled up in central Iowa. So far this year the plows have not moved. We don't have any right now. Yea!

I would not care if it didn't snow all winter. [sarcasm] I think some foreign or domestic government agency somewhere is manipulating the weather.[/sarcasm] Whomever you are, thank you!
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This is a sincere snow storm here now. We have over a meter of snow on the ground (over 39") and we expect to get another meter over the next 5 days.

Good thing my snowblower is serviced and ready to go.



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Originally posted by Arns85GT:

This is a sincere snow storm here now. We have over a meter of snow on the ground (over 39") and we expect to get another meter over the next 5 days.



80-inches of snow in a week!! Next to impossible to dig out with only a shovel - even that snowblower will be "working hard"...

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Originally posted by Arns85GT:

Good thing my snowblower is serviced and ready to go.



You're gonna be busy http://www.theglobeandmail....ndon/article1829527/
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Record Cold Stats for the Southeast

Record low temps in Cancun (Just in time for the global warming conference. bwahahahaha!)

Record low temps for Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands (hey, newf, it's from NOAA, so you believe it, right?)
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Originally posted by fierobear:

Record Cold Stats for the Southeast

Record low temps in Cancun (Just in time for the global warming conference. bwahahahaha!)

Record low temps for Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands (hey, newf, it's from NOAA, so you believe it, right?)


Why do you continue to assert that looking at a specific event of cold weather somehow disproves Climate Change?

Also why do you name me in such threads?
Do you just need to have something/someone to argue with or do you actually think about stuff before you post?
I can continue to show you what the majority of the science community is saying about such events or you can continue to listen to the bloggers and opinion pieces about it.
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Originally posted by newf:

Also why do you name me in such threads?



Don't mind Fierobear, he's just got this thing for Canadians.

In regards to the climate, I've heard the awful weather forecast for this winter is due to La Niña. It can be read about Here.

 
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La Niña causes mostly the opposite effects of El Niño. La Niña causes above average precipitation across the North Midwest, the Northern Rockies, Northern California, and in the Pacific Northwest's southern and eastern regions. Meanwhile there is below average precipitation in the southwestern and southeastern states.

La Niñas occurred in 1904, 1908, 1910, 1916, 1924, 1928, 1938, 1950, 1955, 1964, 1970, 1973, 1975, 1988, 1995.

In Canada, La Niña will generally cause a cooler, snowier winter, such as the near record-breaking amounts of snow recorded in the La Niña winter of 2007/2008 in Eastern Canada.



Here on the west coast of BC we had a snowfall in November which stuck around for about a week and spoiled the banana crop. Now we're back to our usual wet weather. I strongly suspect we'll be getting some ugly (colder) weather before this winter is over.
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Isn't that what the GW crowd is doing as well? Cherry picking a specific time, while ignoring most of the rest of the millennias?
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Originally posted by newf:

Also why do you name me in such threads?



I didn't, and lets not hijack this thread into a GW argument (there's other threads for that), but where in Canada are you?
Just wondering so we know what weather you've been experiencing. You stuck in the Ontario snowbelt?

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Originally posted by maryjane:

Isn't that what the GW crowd is doing as well? Cherry picking a specific time, while ignoring most of the rest of the millennias?


Not sure who you are referring to but most of the science based evidence I've seen takes millenias of information into account as much as they can due to recorded data or ice cores. Cherry picking the data seems to be something that deniers are famous for or for instance people that use the fact that it's cold outside to try and prove a point that Climate Change isn't happening.
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Originally posted by fierosound:


I didn't, and lets not hijack this thread into a GW argument (there's other threads for that), but where in Canada are you?
Just wondering so we know what weather you've been experiencing. You stuck in the Ontario snowbelt?


I know you didn't, I never quoted you.

Not sure what bearing todays weather has on the subjuect but if you really want to know so far we've had a very mild fall, no snow.
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Originally posted by newf:

Not sure what bearing todays weather has on the subjuect but if you really want to know so far we've had a very mild fall, no snow.


The subject of this thread is not GW - "It's the weather". Is your location "top secret"?

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Originally posted by fierosound:


The subject of this thread is not GW - "It's the weather". Is your location "top secret"?


I'm aware of the topic, I never commented on GW until my name was mentioned and it was brought up by others. In regards to where I live look at my name and avatar and take a wild guess. j/k

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Originally posted by newf:

In regards to where I live look at my name and avatar and take a wild guess. j/k



Well then, you're not a stranger to snow. You just haven't got any this winter - yet! http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ne...-snow-storm-205.html
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Originally posted by fierosound:


Well then, you're not a stranger to snow. You just haven't got any this winter - yet! http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ne...-snow-storm-205.html


That's most definitely the case, I'm sure we'll pay for it later.
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I see the midwest got hit big by a deadly storm which then entered Canada
http://www.cbc.ca/video/pla...ca&clipid=1693581642
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/v...s-eyes-east-12380275

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A "winter storm" hit the Middle East - yup - some snow too!! http://www.accuweather.com/...?partner=accuweather

"... torrential rain and heavy mountain snow brought to an abrupt end a serious drought in Lebanon, Syria, northern Israel, Cyprus and southern Turkey. Within two to three days, rainfall reached 4 to 8 inches in Lebanon, for instance. Heavy snow capped the mountains of Lebanon, with its ski resorts, along with heights of neighboring Syria. Even Damascus got substantial snowfall."

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Not "normal" winter. Snow and deep freeze in Europe this week http://uk.reuters.com/artic...dUSTRE6BI0WZ20101220

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Originally posted by Patrick:
Don't mind Fierobear, he's just got this thing for Canadians..


No. I like Canadians just fine. I don't particularly like *you* because I don't like your attitude, and I'm guessing you don't like me, either. So be it. It's got nothing to do with nationality.

As for newf, he seems to be a contrarian like pyrthian. Has nothing to do with nationality, either.

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Originally posted by fierobear:
No. I like Canadians just fine. I don't particularly like *you* because I don't like your attitude, and I'm guessing you don't like me, either. So be it. It's got nothing to do with nationality.

As for newf, he seems to be a contrarian like pyrthian. Has nothing to do with nationality, either.


so now I'm dragged into this?
got nothing legitimate, so off to personal attacks, eh?
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Originally posted by newf:
Why do you continue to assert that looking at a specific event of cold weather somehow disproves Climate Change?


Because the warmists like to use WARM weather events to try to prove warming. They also try to say that COLD events prove "climate change."

 
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Also why do you name me in such threads?
Do you just need to have something/someone to argue with or do you actually think about stuff before you post?
I can continue to show you what the majority of the science community is saying about such events or you can continue to listen to the bloggers and opinion pieces about it.


Because you're the poster boy for bad arguments. Because you keep repeating the same flawed argument about "the majority of scientists", which is meaningless. It doesn't matter how many scientists say something, but that's a point you simply refuse to get.

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so now I'm dragged into this?
got nothing legitimate, so off to personal attacks, eh?


Because newf's arguments remind me of your arguments.

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As for newf, he seems to be a contrarian like pyrthian. Has nothing to do with nationality, either.


Contrarian? Not really, I believe my positions I don't argue something just for the sake of arguement normally. Just because I challenge others positions doesn't mean I don't have one myself.

For instance I think it's short sighted to see a specific weather event as a sign of a global trend. Others seem to think otherwise.
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Because newf's arguments remind me of your arguments.


yeah, he seems like a smart fella to me too.
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Originally posted by Pyrthian:


so now I'm dragged into this?
got nothing legitimate, so off to personal attacks, eh?


It's what he does. He's kind of the "Poster Boy" for it...well that and changing arguements like the wind.

I think he likes to argue...kind of a contrarian who can't accept people have different thoughts and beliefs than his own and feels the need to call people out if he doesn't have a current person to argue with. Kind of sad really when some have to call out people and try to bait them just to spew the same rhetoric day after day, they should really just get a blog.

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Contrarian? Not really, I believe my positions I don't argue something just for the sake of arguement normally.


Your posts often read that way.

 
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For instance I think it's short sighted to see a specific weather event as a sign of a global trend. Others seem to think otherwise.


So do I. But that doesn't stop warmists from trying to make that argument.

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yeah, he seems like a smart fella to me too.


Of course you do. No surprise there.

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So do I. But that doesn't stop warmists from trying to make that argument.


Funny, almost every time I see a comment about it on here it's usually the deniers that are making them or saying something about the warmists. Rarely have I ever seen anyone claiming a specific wheather event(s) to warming here. Maybe the media does but other than that not so much.
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