In the remarkable Fox News report posted below, Dr. Archelle Georgiou, described as a well-recognized physician leader who “helps consumers make better health care decisions,” argues the case for adding lithium to the water supply. Georgiou is affiliated with the Center for Health Transformation, an organization founded by the notorious neocon Newt Gingrich.
Georgiou is also a “medical expert” for Fox News 9 in Minneapolis where she commented on a proposal to drug people during a segment on “Health Care Innovations 2009.”
“Lithium in the Water Supply: America has been adding fluoride to its public water supplies for decades to help prevent reduce tooth decay. Now researchers from Japan suggests expanding the list to lithium,” is how how Fox News 9 describes the segment. Georgiou does not explicitly call for adding the mood-stabilizing drug to the water system, as suggested by Japanese researchers, but she does not denounce the proposed practice. Instead, she says the draconian proposal is a “very interesting concept.”
Japanese researchers, according to Georgiou, are “investigating whether trace amounts of lithium can just change the mood in a community enough — in a really positive way without having the bad effects of lithium — to really affect the mood and decrease the suicide rate.”
Remarkably, Georgiou does not address the moral issue of forcibly drugging a population into submission.
On May 1, the BBC reported on the Japanese research. “Researchers examined levels of lithium in drinking water and suicide rates in the prefecture of Oita, which has a population of more than one million. The suicide rate was significantly lower in those areas with the highest levels of the element, they wrote in the British Journal of Psychiatry.”
Scientists are not certain how lithium works in the brain. “Lithium increases the amount of neurotransmitters such as serotonin, which can help stabilize both the manic and depressive sides of the disorder, but the exact method behind this is still under investigation,” notes Discovery News.
Apparently the unresolved scientific aspects of lithium were not a concern in the Japanese research.
Research conducted in Texas from 1978-1987 revealed lower incidences of crime, suicide, and arrest when lithium is present in water, according to PubMed. “These results suggest that lithium has moderating effects on suicidal and violent criminal behavior at levels that may be encountered in municipal water supplies.”
Peter D. Kramer, in an article on lithium in drinking water, states there are serious ethical considerations to any plan to drug the populace. “The neurotrophic factors seem to protect against psychiatric and neurological disease. But they may also affect personality traits – and that possibility poses ethical dilemmas for any broad-based effort to improve resilience in the brain,” he writes for DoubleX.
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Lithium has well-documented harmful effects. It is known to be responsible for significant amounts of weight gain and reduces the activity of thyroid hormone. It is also believed to affect renal function.
Our water supply already contains dangerous levels of pharmaceutical drugs. Preliminary results from two important federal studies compared the waste water flowing from sewage plants that handle waste from drug companies and compared them with others that do not, redOrbit reported in April. According to a U.S. Geological Survey’s report, some of the samples contained a range of pharmaceuticals, from over-the-counter medications to opiates, barbiturates and tranquilizers; some of them at significantly higher concentrations than what were found at other plants.
“All of this comes down to the mass medication of the public with trace amounts of prescription drugs. In another words, if you’re drinking tap water that’s tainted with these drugs, you’re getting a little bit of Prozac whether you like it or not,” remarks Mike Adams, the Health Ranger.
Drinking water in the United States has been polluted with fluoride for decades. The often cited reason given for this forcible drugging of the American public is that fluoride prevents tooth decay. Numerous studies prove otherwise. (A study conducted in Tucson, Arizona in 1992 on 26,000 elementary school students produced empirical evidence of just the opposite — the more fluoride a child consumes, the more cavities appear.)
According to chemist Charles Perkins, fluoride is added to the water supply because in time reduces an individual’s power to resist domination by incrementally poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, thus making an individual submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him.
This is precisely why the Nazis forced concentration camp internees to ingest fluoride. Americans liberating of POW camps at the end of the Second World War discovered stockpiles of fluoride stored near water supplies. When they asked what the fluoride was used for, they were told that the Germans used the substance as an additive to the prisoners water to make them docile.
Researchers in Japan and Dr. Archelle Georgiou may believe adding lithium to the drinking water is beneficial to society – never mind the unresolved scientific issues of the drug’s use and the immorality of the forcible drugging on a population – but there is a larger context here.
Adding fluoride and lithium to drinking water is an effective way to subdue and narcotize the population, especially during times of social and political upheaval.
Our eugenicist rulers are not perturbed by crime and suicide in society. Like the Nazis, they are primarily interested in rendering the masses docile and making certain they are unable to resist the draconian plans – from an engineered crash of the global economy to the establishment of a totalitarian world government – now unfolding with increased speed and determination.
On a different note, water is being referred to as "Blue Gold" now and several foreign countries have been buying up aquafier properties to pump it out, bottle it, and sell it back to us. If you can control the people's water supply, you can control the people.
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After watching Jesse Ventura last night I did some checking. China is buying our drinking water. We have a shortage of drinking water all around the world. On top of that our ground water is being corroded by uranium and Mercury from industrialization .Corporations and millionaires are buying up are precious resource, that really belongs to every American. The great lakes holds 21% of the worlds fresh water it provides drinking water to tens of Millions of American's. Bush family bought up over 100,000 acres in Paraguay which sits on top of the biggest Guarani aquifer.T Boon Pickens buying up surface water in Texas'. This is a really big problem that needs to be addressed. If we don't stop this, it could lead to the biggest human disaster in history. I urge ever one to read these links. Water will be sold for the highest bitter.
Portland doesn't fluoridate the drinking water because of nuts like the one who authored the OP quote. Kids have to suffer the consequences. They sell bottled water here with fluoride added for people who are concerned about their children's dental health.
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Posts: 11599 From: ~ Kansas City, USA Registered: Apr 2002
Lithium is a salt, so it actually makes you more thirsty. It takes quite a bit of Lithium ingested on a daily basis to be considered mood altering, like around 1000mg. You would have to drink a lot of water to get that.
Portland doesn't fluoridate the drinking water because of nuts like the one who authored the OP quote. Kids have to suffer the consequences. They sell bottled water here with fluoride added for people who are concerned about their children's dental health.
where were you in 62 ? the john birch society was nuts about fluoride back then both fluoride and lithium are basic elements NOT DRUGS MANY AREAS LIKE SOUTH FLA HAVE FLUORIDE IN THE GROUND WATER with no real practical way to remove it
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where were you in 62 ? the john birch society was nuts about fluoride back then both fluoride and lithium are basic elements NOT DRUGS MANY AREAS LIKE SOUTH FLA HAVE FLUORIDE IN THE GROUND WATER with no real practical way to remove it
Flouride isn't an element. Flourine is. Flouride is an ion of Flourine. Lithium is an element. The "drug" lithium is actually Lithium Carbonate. There's also Lithium Citrate and Lithium Sulfate.
Just like "Sodium" is not salt. Sodium Chloride is salt. Sodium is a metal and violently reacts with water. Salt is stable in water.
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Posts: 11159 From: Benton County, OR Registered: Dec 2002
I'm no expert but I don't believe fluoride in drinking water enables governments to control peoples minds. I classify the opposition to it's use as similar to not vaccinating children. Most kids get their fluoride in toothpaste now or in treatments at the dentist's office so it's not as great a concern as before. Now it primarily affects poor kids who have less access to dental care. It bothers me when a few crack pots cause harm to them because of their own irrational fears.
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Posts: 4833 From: Palo Alto, CA, USA Registered: Jan 2004
Originally posted by Formula88: Flouride isn't an element. Flourine is. Flouride is an ion of Flourine. Lithium is an element. The "drug" lithium is actually Lithium Carbonate. There's also Lithium Citrate and Lithium Sulfate.
Just like "Sodium" is not salt. Sodium Chloride is salt. Sodium is a metal and violently reacts with water. Salt is stable in water.
Good job, there is a difference.
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Posts: 1682 From: mishawaka, In Registered: Oct 2003
I'm no expert but I don't believe fluoride in drinking water enables governments to control peoples minds. I classify the opposition to it's use as similar to not vaccinating children. Most kids get their fluoride in toothpaste now or in treatments at the dentist's office so it's not as great a concern as before. Now it primarily affects poor kids who have less access to dental care. It bothers me when a few crack pots cause harm to them because of their own irrational fears.
Perhaps, but in most European countries, Flouride is considered a poison. Of course, like chlorinated water in your pool, chlorine is deadly if you ingest too much. How much Flouride is dangerous? Being in water, we're constantly exposed to small amounts. The U.S. says it's safe.
I think a lot of the health issues we have in the U.S. are due, in part, by the crap that's in our food and water supply. Too many substances that mess with your body's hormones and metabolism. There's been some studies that suggest Flouride can damage your thyroid and lead to hyperthyroidism. That messes with your whole metabolism.
Lithium is just another problem to add to the list.
We ingest far too many chemicals and not enough "food and water."
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I keep hearing how municipal water systems are going to pot because they aren't being used. Too much bottled water being purchased instead. Not sure how much truth there is to it.
I wonder what the effect is of all the outdated pharmaceuticals being flushed down the toilet into our water supplies? At some some point the concentrations of these will probably start to have an effect on us.
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being a diabetic i do drink alot of water. when my wife and i moved to florida and purchased a home i made sure i purchased a water purifation system with reverse osmosis system. all my water is is wet. i have stainless steel water bottles that i fill up if i go on a trip in my fiero because that is the only way i roll. no plastic or crapy water. my water comes from the ground and i even get a water quality report every year, is it correct i have no idea. we have to have trust in our goverment, hm. good luck. my moto, trust no one, and verifyevery thing.
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I wonder what the effect is of all the outdated pharmaceuticals being flushed down the toilet into our water supplies? At some some point the concentrations of these will probably start to have an effect on us.
Traces of pharmacutical drugs are becoming a problem in some water supplies, they recently did some promotion locally to discourage people from flushing their old meds.
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Traces of pharmacutical drugs are becoming a problem in some water supplies, they recently did some promotion locally to discourage people from flushing their old meds.
Really? some places treat and re use toilet water for drinking water? Sounds weird to me. YUK
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Really? some places treat and re use toilet water for drinking water? Sounds weird to me. YUK
they're called sewage treatment facilitys, they take the majority of the bad stuff out and pass on the good stuff back into the watersource/aquifer, down stream any chemicals or contaminants that remain are supposedly taken care of at the next water treatment facility or municipal supply.
Water gets reused, get over it. LOL
------------------ Dealing with failure is easy: work hard to improve. Success is also easy to handle: you've solved the wrong problem, work hard to improve.
they're called sewage treatment facilitys, they take the majority of the bad stuff out and pass on the good stuff back into the watersource/aquifer, down stream any chemicals or contaminants that remain are supposedly taken care of at the next water treatment facility or municipal supply.
Water gets reused, get over it. LOL
Well, I never paid any attention to it. I own my well. ther is a treatment station up river for the town of Sultan but they pump their treated or broken down sewage into the river.
