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Was This Girl Very Dumb, Or Very Brave? by Boondawg
Started on: 12-08-2010 03:36 PM
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Report this Post12-08-2010 03:36 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BoondawgSend a Private Message to BoondawgDirect Link to This Post
Girl runner refuses to quit on coach and crawls across finishline suffering from dehydration & hypothermia.

I'm torn:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id...vp/40572266#40562108

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Originally posted by Boondawg:

Girl runner refuses to quit on coach and crawls across finishline suffering from dehydration & hypothermia.

I'm torn:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id...vp/40572266#40562108


It was only 10 more feet... heh... she did the right thing. She would have ended up in an ambulance either way... might as well go the extra mile.


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Report this Post12-08-2010 04:19 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FieroRumorClick Here to visit FieroRumor's HomePageSend a Private Message to FieroRumorDirect Link to This Post
Might be dumb, but I admire her refusal to give up.

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Report this Post12-08-2010 04:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for paulcalSend a Private Message to paulcalDirect Link to This Post
I do long distance endurance cycling (Randonneuring) and I would have probably done the same thing she did, dragging the bike behind me. I admire her spirit.

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Report this Post12-08-2010 04:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jimbolayaSend a Private Message to jimbolayaDirect Link to This Post
 
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It was only 10 more feet... heh... she did the right thing. She would have ended up in an ambulance either way... might as well go the extra mile. 10 feet.


Fixed it for ya.

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BTW, she was courageously stupid. I'm feeling like a politician today.

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Come on-less than 10 feet to go and she falls out! If you're going to fall out-then by all means fall out "professionally" and let the paramedics take over. I saw the video last week and thought she did it for attention. "I couldn't feel my legs-yeah right." Yeah right, you crawled didn't you.
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Report this Post12-08-2010 06:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneDirect Link to This Post
Is there really much difference in "falling out professionally" for the sake of appearance and falling out 10' from the finish and crawling accross for appearance's sake in that she might have done it for attention? She did let the paramedics take over--but on her terms.

As far as courage goes (bravery), it has been said many times thru history, that discretion is the better part of valor, and I suppose lack of discretion could be viewed as stupidity, but then again, there are many MoH awardees who acted in a manner that those of us not in their shoes may have considered stupid as far as thier personal safety is concerned.

 
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Come on-less than 10 feet to go and she falls out! If you're going to fall out-then by all means fall out "professionally" and let the paramedics take over. I saw the video last week and thought she did it for attention. "I couldn't feel my legs-yeah right." Yeah right, you crawled didn't you.
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From what I saw on the news, if she didn't cross the finish line, her team wouldn't be eligible to win. As it was, I believe they did, however the overall scoring worked.
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Report this Post12-08-2010 06:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for madcurlSend a Private Message to madcurlDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by maryjane:

Is there really much difference in "falling out professionally" for the sake of appearance and falling out 10' from the finish and crawling accross for appearance's sake in that she might have done it for attention? She did let the paramedics take over--but on her terms.

As far as courage goes (bravery), it has been said many times thru history, that discretion is the better part of valor, and I suppose lack of discretion could be viewed as stupidity, but then again, there are many MoH awardees who acted in a manner that those of us not in their shoes may have considered stupid as far as thier personal safety is concerned.

[QUOTE]Come on-less than 10 feet to go and she falls out! If you're going to fall out-then by all means fall out "professionally" and let the paramedics take over. I saw the video last week and thought she did it for attention. "I couldn't feel my legs-yeah right." Yeah right, you crawled didn't you.



In the video did it appear that her legs were wobbling and about to giving out? No. Did she faint? No. Did bodily fluids and feces running down her legs? No. I've seen videos were the runner is experiencing extreme pain, legs wobbling (prior to falling down), urine/feces running down their legs-now that's "professionally" running (albeit gross).

As for her dehydration-don't they supply runners throughout the race with bottled water? If so, she bypasses the opportunity to prevent dehydration in Fresno, CA? Fresno is known for hot weather. Doesn't sound like bravery to me.

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My concern was dieing for a highschool event.
Dehydration & hypothermia is nothing to fool with for a teenager, or anyone.
Aid should be administered at the FIRST sign.
Not "after the finishline".

The young competitors drive was understandable, and even admerable, but whatever adults were in charge took a big chance by not rending aid at the collapse.

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Report this Post12-08-2010 08:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneDirect Link to This Post
We coddle young people too much already, especially once they reach the highschool level of young adults. They grow up expecting it to continue as adults, and believe they are entitled to be protected from any and everything--including themselves. She knew her limits, as do we all.
It was her choice. She made it for herself rather than falling into the pit of expecting someone else, everyone else, anyone else to make one for her.
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Originally posted by maryjane:

She knew her limits, as do we all.
It was her choice.


For everything?

No helmets for football?

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Did I hear that correctly? Did they say it was a "3" mile race? So what was she doing the week before the race? Apparently not drinking WATER!!!
She did it for the attention. That's my view.
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Report this Post12-09-2010 08:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for proffClick Here to visit proff's HomePageSend a Private Message to proffDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by FieroRumor:
I admire her refusal to give up.


Yes i agree
Never give up
only a metre or 2. most people i know would have done the same. At any cost get past the finish line,if its that close.
On the other hand if it was a few miles , stop and race again another day
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Report this Post12-09-2010 11:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BoondawgSend a Private Message to BoondawgDirect Link to This Post
Your daughter is at a track meet.
You get a call that she died at the meet from dehydration & hypothermia.
Later, you see the tape.

Would you feel someone should have done something when she collasped?

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Report this Post12-10-2010 05:32 AM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneDirect Link to This Post
We feel that way, to some extent, no matter what the cause of a young person's death. We all die sometime--ALL.


 
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For everything?

No helmets for football?


She was playing football too?
Wow--this girl is an achiever!!
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Report this Post12-10-2010 02:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BoondawgSend a Private Message to BoondawgDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by maryjane:
She was playing football too?
Wow--this girl is an achiever!!


Nice.
You didn't get that I was refering to your opinion that you think we overprotect teens and they should be allowed to choose for themselves what safety precautions should be taken?

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Report this Post12-11-2010 12:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Jake_DragonSend a Private Message to Jake_DragonDirect Link to This Post
Its funny I felt the same way on several of the runs I had to do in the service. I even finished a few of them in the same condition. When I did fail one they made me do it again the next day I didn't even get a ride in the loud truck. If she was unresponsive or asked for help I'm sure they would have helped her. I refused help every time and was left alone to finish my run. Now I don't run unless its for money and you better not get in the way
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