I make at least 3. I don't know how many would be proven innocent and taken off death rows across this country or how many would be proven guilty as charged,but I feel that everyone convicted of a capital crime should have their DNA profile done and compared to the national data base to find if there are any crimes that can be solved or the DNA may prove someone innocent of a crime.
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Marvin McInnis Member
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Originally posted by hugh: ...I feel that everyone convicted of a capital crime should have their DNA profile done and compared to the national data base to find if there are any crimes that can be solved or the DNA may prove someone innocent of a crime.
I believe someday in the future, even DNA will be proven to not be the "iron-clad" proof we once thought it was.
There has already been at least one case of a woman being accused that her very young child was not hers, based on the mother & childs DNA. She had another kid and the law was right there in the delivery room to make sure DNA was taken from the infant instantly. Nope, this infant was not hers either.
It seems in rare cases you can be carrying 2 different sets of DNA.....
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No modern system of Justice is perfect. I fully support the death penalty when all appeals have been exhausted. I don't beleive in letting folks die of old age on death row. When the final appeal has been completed and the person is found guilty, there should be a public execution the following day.
Will an innocent person be convicted periodically, yes. We as a society owe the system of justice support and should expect that system to be as fail-safe as humanly possible but, we should also not be afraid to flick the switch, pull the trigger or push the needle when the time comes. Putting people in prison for the rest of their lives can also be considered inhumane.
And yes, I'll run that risk that I could be the innocent guy found guilty of a crime I didn't commit. I believe there must be accountability for all our actions and some of those actions deserve the death penalty.
if they confess I have no problem. if the evidence is overwhelming and there is no doubt then I wouldn't have a problem. but if there is a shadow of doubt then there is a problem. but if there is doubt then why are they in prison?
because it is a lottery more game of chance then justice in death cases
the guilty will ratout some one or make a plea deal to avoid the death penalty
joe citizen who is innocent is far more likely to get death then a career criminal who knows the system and how to work it
few innocent people will plead guilty even to a lessor charge
many people falsely confess cops can build evidence out of circumstances eye witness are very very very unreliable sometimes political BS like ambitious prostituter's can fake cases
rich people never get the death charge only those of limited means
------------------ Question wonder and be wierd are you kind?
Without even reading the article, I can say, it is very possible the State of Texas has, as well as other states, executed innocent people. Is one too many--yes! Do I still support capital punishment--yes, after all appeals have been fully and meticulously exhausted.
This thread is the most INSANE thing I ever in my life saw...........
when army's invade and kill everything in sight.......when drug gangs execute children for revenge on fathers...when street justice executes kids under 15 with one bullet...
and laywers want to talk about something the goobernment did in executing somebody and thier damn legal system..........and if it was right or wrong, legal or illeagal............and forgive the guy after he is dead.
9,000 people on the planet earth were executed yesterday, november 8, 2010, by people who didnt like them.............and laywers want to spend 30 years talking about if its right or wrong.........
frack it man, just frack it.
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He was innocent in conscience only. Texas executed a man that wasn't innocent by law.
Did he actually commit the criminal acts? In my mind, no. But it isn't about what I or anybody else thinks or believes. It only matters to twelve of our citizen peers.
Texas presented a case of criminal prosecution, the accused presented his defense of innocence and the jurors made the decision.
The accused has every opportunity to maximize his appeals on the jurors decision and to ask for clemency.
Everything that Texas did and what the accused did was guided under law. And he was proven guilty and put to death.
Was it right? That's up to you. Was it legal? Yes.
Nothing is perfect in our world.
But to answer your question. No! Texas did not execute an innocent man.
Theres more, but I dont want to flood the information out there. Of course, DNA exonerations would be a great reason to at least keep them alive a little longer to be sure.. but from the evidence I have read here and elsewhere, the costs of mandatory appeals in court costs more than keeping them in jail the rest of their life.
On a personal level, and beyond economics, if there is smoking gun, videotape certain evidence of murder, fry 'em no matter what it costs for court. Pass the hat if you need to.
Kewl, Thank you. That is going to make for some interesting reading.
I think so tpo. honmestley that makes me sick. the laws claim that they dont arrest inocent people is complete BS. i somewhat support the death penelty legit murder's rapist's child molester'si say fry them. but if there is supporting evidence that the man is inocent there should be some law that it has to be heard.
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Marvin McInnis Member
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I think the word 'innocent" is used too freely. If you have a chance at being put to death, you may not be guilty of murder, but you probably have some pretty nasty crimes on your resume. Folks, it`s not that hard to stay out of trouble and murder is just a thought away for some of these habitual criminals.
I just finished listening to the show. This is not as clear cut as some would make it seem. His actions before and after the fire are suspect. His wife and brother-in-law both claim he confessed to setting the fire four days before his execution. There was kerosene found on the wood at the base of door leading to his porch. How many people light their grill right next to the house in the door?
I am willing to accept that there is a possibility that an innocent person might be executed. I want every reasonable effort to be made to prevent this from happening. This man might have been the case here. The process certainly needs to be examined and reformed.
I still support the death penalty.
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Still not a fan of killing someone for killing... seems fairly hypocritcal and costs more than life in prison. Thats just me, I have heard the aruments about keeping society safe, but I am more concerned why society says its okay to kill as a soldier or executioner as long as you work for the state, but not otherwise. The subject matter here is testy, I know what you are saying Raydar. However, I would prefer irrefutable evidence before sending them off to the gas chamber.. like video with absolutely clear footage of the crime and criminal. (Just dont put NFL refs in charge of that instant replay) I guess then you have to say "Well, you got what was coming to you, and you are lucky you weren't killed before being proven guilty."
No easy answers in our society.
not sure how its hypocritical. We are putting some to death for killing innocents. If we killed innocents, then put someone to death for the same, thats hypocritical. Killing someone for violating basic human morality and committing crimes against society is not hypocritical.
biggest damning evidence? All the people in the house had large amounts of carbon dioxide in their lungs. He said he was in house crawling around. He only had enough smoke in his lungs consistent with a smoker. He had no evidence of being in the house like others when it was on fire. Add that to the fact there was clearly an accelerator used and its pretty clear what happened. Oh, his own family said he confessed to setting the fire as well.
Did they execute an innocent man? No. This guy deserved to die. Some monsters need to be put down.
The people on the site saying he was innocent...LOL.....come one! Even his defense attorney said he was guilty.
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