As some of you here know sometimes we have juvenile delinquents here to do community service.

Now before anyone says anything about that. We know the local DA because we were key witnesses in a animal abuse case. And we do it more as a favor to him than anything else. The work these kids do can and does get done by us everyday.

We have had quite a few here over the years. Some as young as 14. Just recently we had a 14 and 17 year old. Both had like 30 to 50 hours for what they did.

The 14 year old one I think we are making a difference with. I hope so.

The 17 year old I think is going to suck the system for all its worth for the rest of his life. He is living with some 20 year old girl he got pregnant. Quit high school and has no job or prospects.

He was working with Melanie mucking out stalls a few rainy days. Then I got him to help me with pounding 5 fence posts. They kid has no strength, or stamina. No idea what he is going to do or wants to do.

Doesn’t care to listen to anything I or Melanie says. Now I understand that at that age you all know everything about everything. We all did at that age. But you need to listen to those who have been there and done that.

What is wrong with the younger generation? You seem to think we, the older folks owe you everything.

We don’t. we don’t owe you SH!T. other than to support you until you are under our roof and turn 18.

This kid has ADHD supposedly. They took him off those meds when he was in juvenile detention so I tend to think it was just a way to get the drugs. But I could be wrong I ain‘t no doctor.

But I have heard it here from some biatching about their parents not doing this that and the other thing for them as well. You do realize that life sucks and then you die right?

I regress.

I know I see these kids we work with only after their own parents screwed them up but come on kids. You need to take care of yourselves at some point.

Sorry I just needed to vent and I know a lot of you are younger here, I see it in the way you post and the threads you start.

Steve

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Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

Each generation has it tough, to a degree. But when more and more kids have effed up families, they tend to continue the trend, which makes it that much tougher for the next genration to know what the hell to do, how to 'tough it out'... it's getting worse. Show me all the stats you want, say my parent's generation said the same thing about mine, and my grandparents generation said the same thing about my paren't generation, I don't buy it for a second. I think they said last week on TV that 80% of public school 8th graders in NYC went to summer school last year (not sure if that's accurate) but it's bad...
Some kids have it rough, and turn out FANTASTIC, but this generation has no space program, no aspirations to be the best, etc...they just want to be consumers and use technology to masturbate.


I swear, sometimes, it takes just this one tiny extra bit of energy to get a kid over the hump and be on the right path. It takes parents pushing their kids and not backing down. and working together as a team , as adults. Too many adults still trying to be kids, too much of the time. (percentage-wise) . Go to work. Raise your kids, and if time permits, play Halo or do whatever things you wanna do. Prioties. I'm sure as hell not raising my son to accept mediocrity. I can only do so much, but damn it, I'm gonna do everything I can possibly do. In the end, he will be the one suffering if he realizes he never reached his full potential. It's up to my wife and mysef to force him to be the best until he's old enough to realize it for himself...

You might be talking about the drug adderall. A few years ago when I was in high school I was put on adderall because I had a hard time focusing in class. Whenever I took it my heart rate would shoot up (it's been clocked at 118 bmp before) and I'd feel a little bit hot for a couple of hours. During that time though, school was so much easier & I had no problem focusing on my studies. I appreciated being able to take them.

Senior year was when I dropped off of them, though. Got tired of the increased heart rate that I had to deal with. Plus, I thought it'd be beneficial if I learned to function without the meds.
In my honest opinion, unless he's using the drugs to help him at school (which is unlikely after reading what you've written), I don't see the appeal of taking them recreationally. The most I was on was 10mg, and I've had druggie friends in the past brag about being on 80mg once in awhile. I can't imagine that it is a pleasant trip... if it's a trip at all.

I don't think it's for the drugs. He might just be unmotivated to do anything. If he's being disrespectful, well then I don't know what to say.

quote Topic: I’ve had it with this latest generation

They've probably had it with you, too!

LOL

But seriously, juvenile delinquents were like that when I was a kid, too... and probably even when you were a kid. Some of them will be salvageable, and some will not. The ones who are not will provide job security for the law enforcement and penal systems.

There's some of us that are under 20 that aren't at all like what you described...

yes, the children of parents who never grew up themselves
fear not - this is nothing new. well, maybe new to you, but - "kids today" have always been problematic

much the reason is - you are seeing the sucky ones. heck - even more so than most, being this is community service victims. the good ones are off doing good things, and making a life for themselves quietely, and without interupting your day. you have to go out of your way to find the good ones. and, luckily - it still is the majority.

and - for even more fun - some of these problematic ones will one day be up against the wall - and some will be "born again" - and some will be jailed...all you can do is prepare for the worst & hope for the best. time has a way of taking care of this BS all on its own.

If you want a generation to ***** about, try those people currently in the ~45-55 age range. They are consistently the rudest, most disrespectful, obnoxious, self-absorbed assholes I have to deal with.

The difference in the current generation of FUs, is they can't and won't admit they are eff'd up. The young adults I knew or met in past decades knew and admitted they had screwed up, and sought avenues of change. This one? Most of the time--not a chance. The very 1st thing they will do is blame it all on everyone, someone, anyone else, and expect entitlement of some sort because they are 'all that'. Pretty ironic, considering for many, their single largest achievement thus far in life, is surviving adolescence, while living under someone else's roof.
But, to be honest Steve, 14-17 yr olds aren't expected (in most cases) to know what they want to do with their lives, tho by the time they get 18/19/20, they SHOULD have some idea as well as enough ambition to get out from in front of the video screen. Of course, not all of this young generation fit that effed up category--many are doing things to improve their lot, have great potential, and aren't afraid to act on that potential---they'll take that step forward.

quote Originally posted by RWDPLZ: If you want a generation to ***** about, try those people currently in the ~45-55 age range. They are consistently the rudest, most disrespectful, obnoxious, self-absorbed assholes I have to deal with.

I concur, and they are the parents of the self-absorbed 20 somethings that we have walking around today. As parents, the boomers raised a generation of kids who expected more for giving less. The generation that is being raised by those parents (in most cases the boomers are raising that generation too, because mom and dad both have to work to live in the house they really can't afford) is even worse.

Just an observation...

quote Originally posted by RWDPLZ: If you want a generation to ***** about, try those people currently in the ~45-55 age range. They are consistently the rudest, most disrespectful, obnoxious, self-absorbed assholes I have to deal with.

[sarcasm] You talking about me punk ? If you had zhit for brains, you would be smarter than I would ever be able to give you credit for. I thought I was wrong one time but I was mistaken.[/sarcasm]
Just as Steve's prodigies all have different personalities, I have split personalities, .

quote Originally posted by cliffw: [sarcasm] You talking about me punk ? If you had zhit for brains, you would be smarter than I would ever be able to give you credit for. I thought I was wrong one time but I was mistaken.[/sarcasm] Just as Steve's prodigies all have different personalities, I have split personalities, .

Just 2 I thought you had Sybil beat.

I know you are not all like this kid but something I’m sure you younger and newer members don’t know is I was once that bad actually worse.

I did things I have talked about here that I am not proud of and I think that is also one of the reasons the DA sends them here. I’ve been there and done that. I try to show them that they can turn their lives around.

But this kid wanted nothing to do with my ideas.

Going back to school and getting his high school diploma or at least his GED.

Getting a job.
Trying the military.
Learning a trade.
Anything other than sitting at his in-laws getting high.

Steve

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

As frustrating as 'teen angst' can be to older folks, It's not as bad as genuine teenage apathy- they just don't care, they think they can't improve their situation, that they are a loser, so why bother?

quote Originally posted by cliffw: [sarcasm] You talking about me punk ? If you had zhit for brains, you would be smarter than I would ever be able to give you credit for. I thought I was wrong one time but I was mistaken.[/sarcasm]

YEAH, WHAT HE SAID, MUDDERFUDDER!!!!!!
THE ONLY THING WRONG WITH THIS WORLD IS THERE AIN'T A BILLION ME'S (and Cliffw)!!!!!!

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quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: As some of you here know sometimes we have juvenile delinquents here to do community service. The 17 year old I think is going to suck the system for all its worth for the rest of his life. He is living with some 20 year old girl he got pregnant. Quit high school and has no job or prospects. He was working with Melanie mucking out stalls a few rainy days. Then I got him to help me with pounding 5 fence posts. They kid has no strength, or stamina. No idea what he is going to do or wants to do.

20 yr old girl friend. Yeah, he's too puckered out by the time you get him.

I hear ya Steve!!

In our neighborhood, we have this fat 14 year old. His mom says he has ADHD. I say he is a rotten spoiled bastard who no one ever pays attention to.
He breaks everything! He stole the air scoop of the windshield of my Miata, He breaks glass, light bulbs, anything he can. I caught him beating our mailboxes intot he ground with a bat. He beat the bark off my tree with a bat, he lets the air out of my tires...He is just a MENACE!!!

I never meet the "Good kids" Just the rotten bastards from hell.

quote Originally posted by RWDPLZ: If you want a generation to ***** about, try those people currently in the ~45-55 age range. They are consistently the rudest, most disrespectful, obnoxious, self-absorbed assholes I have to deal with.

Really, some of us are actually quite nice, and fight for your freedoms in the Armed Forces. Don't blanket an entire group with a statement like that when one know its not true. (OPINION)

(NOT AN ATTACK; AN OBSERVATION ONLY)

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quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: yes, the children of parents who never grew up themselves fear not - this is nothing new. well, maybe new to you, but - "kids today" have always been problematic

Gee, you mean like parents who grew up in the 60s, vote "progressive", insist on kicking religion and morality out of public life, then wonder why their kids have no morals and will even turn on them?

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Gee, you mean like parents who grew up in the 60s, vote "progressive", insist on kicking religion and morality out of public life, then wonder why their kids have no morals and will even turn on them?

Hey asswipe--I grew up in the 60s. (age10-20)
Call me a progresive again and I'll come dot your old bloodshot eye. Maybe both of em--yeah, even the one that looks way off to one side all the time..

Trust me--not all of us in that generation like this generation.

There is honestly little hope. I know FAR too many people my age that think they are ENTITLED to everything they get. Even their college education! I consider my education a blessing, and I damned well expect it to be hard or they are doing something wrong. Yes, sometimes it gets extremely hard and causes me stress, but that's life.

So many people out there b!tching about how hard their classes are and how they should be easier. And how they shouldn't even have to pay for college. I know FAR too many people my age that live off their parents to a frightening degree. NO PARENT SHOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR CHILD'S COLLEGE. And no child should expect that out of their parents.

For the most part, we are a bunch of disrespectful douchebags that don't understand the meaning of respect. Everything is me me me and there is no sense of unity or culture. It's repulsive if you ask me.

Not to mention -- What happened to chivalry? Men don't hold doors open for women anymore. Women don't care about purity anymore. Everything is sloppy and selfish. Nobody cares about themselves or about others.

Then there are a few in this generation that aren't like this. For the most part. They care about education and maturity... But then these people are so ahead of their class by the time they are 16, half of them develop an elitist attitude about themselves.

Idk which party I more align with. Idk if there is a middle ground. But I do know that you are right, this generation seems worse than others.

If you ask me, it honestly is the political direction we are taking, and the era of political correctness where nobody is allowed to speak their mind anymore. I don't even mean that as a political statement; there have been movements on both the conservative and progressive end. Just in general, it seems the "rights" that my generation feels they are entitled to--when they aren't--are a product of the political direction in which we are moving.

......Thanks for getting me all fired up....... lol

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Melanie got a call from one of the probation officers we deal with regularly a few months back. Not your normal paper pushing hard ass but someone who truly cares about the kids.

She has sent several kids here and called to say we had made a difference with one. He was getting all A’s in school and staying out of trouble. I worked that kids butt off pounding fence post one spring. I did a post and then he did one and so on. At first he had a hard time keeping up with this old man.

More he didn’t want to than he couldn’t. but I showed him that someone 3 times his age could and did do it every spring. That pissed him off, so he tried to keep up. I taught him something, I am proud of that, I wish it could have been more than just the one.

But that one maybe all it takes, he is now doing great and I am happy I had some little tiny bit to do with it. I hope him all the best and hope he grows up to be a success at anything he tries.

I hope half of the kids his age become half of what this kid is capable of being.

If you do we may just have a chance.
If you don’t then we, America is doomed.

I am no angel, I screwed up as a kid. Like I said I turned my life around and showed these kids that it can be done. This kid I started this thread about thought he was a tuff guy. He thought he was a bad guy who was worse than me. I showed him he was wrong, I hope he listed this morning but I think he was so high and it just went in one ear and out the other.

None of us are promised anything in life. Never think you are owed anything from anyone unless you earned it.

Thanks for listening

Steve

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Gee, you mean like parents who grew up in the 60s, vote "progressive", insist on kicking religion and morality out of public life, then wonder why their kids have no morals and will even turn on them?

I grew up in the 60s (12-22) and was a juvenile delinquent.
Spent over half of my teens locked up.
I knew "I" had the problem and did allot of soul searching in order to correct my bad behavior. Changing the crowd I hung with was the best thing I did.
All of what I did, I doubt if the kids now days would serve a day.
Cutting school=18 months
Joy riding=8 months
Possession of stolen beer=11months
You would have to kill someone in this day and age to get that much time.

I wasn't a bad kid, I was just a bad son.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Hey asswipe--I grew up in the 60s. (age10-20) Call me a progresive again and I'll come dot your old bloodshot eye. Maybe both of em--yeah, even the one that looks way off to one side all the time..

What the hell makes you think I was talking about YOU?

And here I was expecting a "Well--Bring it on old man!"
Figured you were smart enough to see it for the sarcasm it is.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: And here I was expecting a "Well--Bring it on old man!" Figured you were smart enough to see it for the sarcasm it is.

Dunno, Don, it read pretty mad. Maybe I'm just tired (been a long day).

Nah--not mad.
I got something Pokey is gonna love. Watch for it.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Nah--not mad. I got something Pokey is gonna love. Watch for it.

Yup. could be, and I think Pokey will like it. The article's author looses credibility by using the "tea bagger" pejorative.

quote Originally posted by partfiero: I grew up in the 60s (12-22) and was a juvenile delinquent. Spent over half of my teens locked up. I knew "I" had the problem and did allot of soul searching in order to correct my bad behavior. Changing the crowd I hung with was the best thing I did. All of what I did, I doubt if the kids now days would serve a day. Cutting school=18 months Joy riding=8 months Possession of stolen beer=11months You would have to kill someone in this day and age to get that much time.

Lightweight.

You are right though. The kids we get for community service have.

Set off bombs behind the post office. (80 hours)

Beat other kids into the hospital in school.(120 hours)

Busted mail boxes with baseball bats. (That one I offered to buy a bat and let him try to damage mine, he wouldn’t take me up on that.)

The list goes on, but all they got was hours.

Mine is to long and to embarrassing to post. And I didn’t straighten up until I went to real jail for 6 months for theft of an interstate shipment.

Steve

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

There are exceptions, but Im with you. Every generation seems to get worse. Ones in HS and younger now generally have absolutely no respect for any authority, whether its police, parents, school or whatever. I dont know how they have so many students graduate HS with high grades. A lot cant even spell 4 letter words, dont know where the Statue of Liberty is, and cant name where most states are. Thats just the tip of the iceburg too. When asked, I heard a college student asked what country Hawaii was in and she replied the country of Honolulu. The saddest part for everyone is these people will be running the country in the coming years.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: The saddest part for everyone is these people will be running the country in the coming years.

That right there is what scares me Roger.
By the way this kid this morning didn’t know where the statue of liberty is.
Steve

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

quote Originally posted by theBDub: NO PARENT SHOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR CHILD'S COLLEGE. And no child should expect that out of their parents.

I didn't HAVE to pay for college. I WANTED my children to start out their life debt free since having no debt has served me well. My kids didn't EXPECT it, but they were grateful that I did pay for college.

They are married, employed, live in their own homes, and are financially independent. I was well worth the cost.

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*throws 84fiero123 a wooden cain, and sets up a chair on his porch*

There now your set.. Now just get those little whipper snappers off yer lawn!..

lol..

sorry, had to lighten the mood a little.

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: That right there is what scares me Roger. By the way this kid this morning didn’t know where the statue of liberty is. Steve

Heck some educated folks thought there are 57 +2 states in the US.

Not sure if things are really any worse now than back in the day, maybe we just see more of it. The scary thing is how badly the previous generations screwed things up, and we all seam to think they were smarter and more ethical.

quote Originally posted by Jonesy: *throws 84fiero123 a wooden cain, and sets up a chair on his porch* There now your set.. Now just get those little whipper snappers off yer lawn!.. lol.. sorry, had to lighten the mood a little.

I guess with that cain, he'll now be abel to scare off those kids.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: I guess with that cain, he'll now be abel to scare off those kids.

WIN! That just made my day after reading a bunch of negative posts about my generation. And yes, theBdub once again has taken the words out of my mouth. You don't see the *good* kids because they are at college or work instead of doing hood rat things.

quote Originally posted by FrugalFiero: I didn't HAVE to pay for college. I WANTED my children to start out their life debt free since having no debt has served me well. My kids didn't EXPECT it, but they were grateful that I did pay for college. They are married, employed, live in their own homes, and are financially independent. I was well worth the cost.

And that's awesome that you did that!

As long as your kids didn't expect it, there is no problem. It's really cool that you were able to do that without too much pain.

quote Originally posted by 1988holleyformula: WIN! That just made my day after reading a bunch of negative posts about my generation. And yes, theBdub once again has taken the words out of my mouth. You don't see the *good* kids because they are at college or work instead of doing hood rat things.

Most are working menial jobs at best and if there in college, vast majority arent learning anything at all except where next party is. Yes there are good and smart kids out there...ill guess something along the lines of 5 out of 100.