As the title say, my family bought a white baby wolf today.

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-Reagan

100% wild wolf?

A bad idea?

75% (Wolf Hybrid)

Papers, Shots, wormed, ect.
Been living around cats and small dogs for a wile.
hasn't even tried to harm them.

quote Originally posted by Fiero Reagan: Been living around on cats and small dogs for a wile.

Fixed it for you.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: 100% wild wolf? A bad idea?

Made it better...

Unfortunately, even hybrids have bad reps. I know most don't deserve them, but if something happens and they bite someone, there isn't an approved Rabies vaccination or test for wolf hybrids and they will have to slaughter the animal to dissect the brain stem to test for rabies...

No worries there, If it bit me then id slaughter it myself.
don't get me wrong, Im all against animal cruelty but i
could make an exception for a wolf if it bit me or even
a family member.

And the family we bought it from was breeding them and the
woman was like 40 years old, had hair that was like 1 inch
long, tattoos and even piercings. Even stranger, they lived in
the middle if nowhere, owned 2 hearses and even an old VW
hippie looking van.

If a kid goes missing, remember, "the dingo ate your baby."

Jim

Its a cute animal but i can see this ending very badley in the future as it gets older. its very hard to tame hundreds of years of instinct/gene's

quote Originally posted by pontiackid86: its very hard to tame hundreds of years of instinct/gene's

As adults:

My expirence with them shows them to be very stand-offish.
It creeps some people out the way they stare at you as you move about your business.
They are also quicker "to be cornered" then normal dogs.
Sudden quick movements put them on edge.

They like to pace.

I almost got one some time back. He was about 2 years old. when I went to see him they had him tied out with a great big freakin chain. After he got familiar with us he was friendly enough- as in, he started to hump my g/f's leg friendly, and aggressive when she tried to push him off. It was then that it occurred to me that there was no way I could ever discipline that dog other than with a baseball bat upside the head. I passed.

Wolves as pets in not a good idea for a family. Sorry to rain on the parade here. When adult they have issues. You are talking the side of canines that did not domesticate. And there is a reason. Best to train him well and not leave him unattended with small children. A word to the wise and a wish for good luck.

Arn

I feel the same way. It wasn't up to me at all to even get it.
But its going to be an inside dog for a while.... Which kinda
scares me a little. So with that said....im sleeping with my bedroom
door shut lol.

Maybe sell him to a police department. He might be too big (K-9s generally need to be light enough to lift through windows) but it would look intimidating when the K-9 officer yells "I'll send the dog!"

Why would we sell it?

Even if its aggressive when its older, it would still be a good
watch dog for protection also considering we live in the
country.

quote Originally posted by Fiero Reagan: I feel the same way. It wasn't up to me at all to even get it. But its going to be an inside dog for a while.... Which kinda scares me a little. So with that said....im sleeping with my bedroom door shut lol.

Here is the thing; They still obey "pack rules".
As the male, you need to dominate the house and yard.
With this wolf/dog mix, it MUST know that you are the Alpha male.
That doesn't mean cruel, just firm.

I understand.

Oh, and for the record its a female.

It helps a bit with a female, but it needs to be neutered when you can. It is still wild and Boony is right.

Arn

Let her know you're in charge early on or things will go badly at some point. Not even a question.

That said, I'd love a wolf/husky mix. Beautiful.

quote Originally posted by Fiero Reagan: Why would we sell it? Even if its aggressive when its older, it would still be a good watch dog for protection also considering we live in the country.

Very true... If i was a burgler your house would be skipped on my list knowing you have wolf in there.

I think it is badass. I wouldn't mind having something a bit exotic as a pet. Also dogs and cats haven't always been domesticated.

I have a German Shepard that weighs over 100 pounds.If she knows you she will still make noise (sometimes).If you come into my house with bad intentions you better have a gun or toilet paper.She won't let anybody hurt her mom or dad(Joan or me).

Mind if I ask what you payed? I always wanted one but can't justify what they ask for them around here.

quote Originally posted by hugh: I have a German Shepard that weighs over 100 pounds.If she knows you she will still make noise (sometimes).If you come into my house with bad intentions you better have a gun or toilet paper.She won't let anybody hurt her mom or dad(Joan or me).

My brother-in-law watched a guy waltz into his garage (assuming he was looking to steal something) and before he could go get his gun he saw his German Shepard Sarge chase the guy out the garage and all the way back to his truck. His wife (my sister) sleeps a little better at night knowing Sarge is in the yard.

quote Originally posted by hugh: I have a German Shepard that weighs over 100 pounds.If she knows you she will still make noise (sometimes).If you come into my house with bad intentions you better have a gun or toilet paper.She won't let anybody hurt her mom or dad(Joan or me).

Mine does to. I have a purebreed all black shepperd and she hears everything Now that i dont drive an excessiveley loud car when i come home at night she barks at me when i unlock the door. Whe i used to come home with my firebird she would be at the door waiting to greet me without barking.

quote Originally posted by hugh: I have a German Shepard that weighs over 100 pounds.If she knows you she will still make noise (sometimes).If you come into my house with bad intentions you better have a gun or toilet paper.She won't let anybody hurt her mom or dad(Joan or me).

Same here.

I am in the "a wolf is not the best idea" camp.

This is about as close as I'll come to one -

My current husky at 10 weeks -


And about 4 years later (he'll be 5 in couple of months)-


Chris

I've known a few folks that raised these animals. One bred them back to other wolves to the point he claimed they were 98% wolf, don't ask me how to explain his math. Regardless, he sold his pups. Most ended up coming back due to one problem or another. I know this, his big male scared the hell out of me and there were two fences between him and I. I swear the damn thing looked at me as lunch. I don't see this as ending well but, keep us informed and I sincerely hope for the best.

Ron

quote Originally posted by 87blackGT: This is about as close as I'll come to one - My current husky at 10 weeks - And about 4 years later (he'll be 5 in couple of months)- Chris

Absolutely stunning.

I love those dogs. So beautiful.

Hope their home insurance allows for wolf hybrids -- most don't and they may find the insurance cancelled. (Liability concerns right up there with Pits and Dobbermans)

We paid about $500 for her and would pay any amount now to protect her.She will be 7 on 10/29/10.I give her Glucosamine and Chondroitin pills every day to try to prevent hip problems.We love her but don't fully trust her with anyone else.She is so big and fast she could hurt someone (if she wanted) before we could do anything.She enjoys my grandkids,but not without us there to act as referees. She is a big part of my family even though I have 5 (grown) children. Suffice it to say I could talk about her too much,but I don't remember what life was like before she came into our lives much like each of our kids.

Friend of mine has two wolf/hybrids. One is 80% the other is 75% wolf. The 80% is female and the 75% is male.
They got the Female first and really they played it smart as neither one runs the house. Her dad really set the bar when he got them and from the time they were pups till they grew up he let them know they didn’t run things. They are great and have never hurt anyone. Though, when they had coyote problems the wolves were a big help. Originally he got the female to protect against intruders as they were having problems around the place. The male was bought to keep her company. Both are great animals. Her parents don’t have kids anymore and my friend is in her 20's so there isn’t any worry about small children.

I had an Ocelot growing up, that was pretty sweet. My family's land is all wildlife refuge so we get a lot of really neat animals though, mostly wild.

quote Originally posted by Silentassassin185: Mind if I ask what you payed? I always wanted one but can't justify what they ask for them around here. My brother-in-law watched a guy waltz into his garage (assuming he was looking to steal something) and before he could go get his gun he saw his German Shepard Sarge chase the guy out the garage and all the way back to his truck. His wife (my sister) sleeps a little better at night knowing Sarge is in the yard.

I "think" they payed around $150-$200 for it. Im not sure, didn't really care lol.

quote Originally posted by steve308: Hope their home insurance allows for wolf hybrids -- most don't and they may find the insurance cancelled. (Liability concerns right up there with Pits and Dobbermans)

=) We own our house

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I have a friend who had 2, they are both gone now. Passed on to doggy heaven. If you believe in that.

I knew the wolves for many years, was over their house many times a week. Yet they were still very standoffish of me. They are interesting but don’t turn your back on them.

His male




His female



No rabies shots, for some reason Melanie forgets why. I think it can kill them or something. Anyway if you keep it find a vet who knows about them, most know very little.

We have that problem with our Great Pyrenees, if the vet doesn’t know anything about them you can end up with a dead dog. Pyrs are sensitive to sedation. They can die when under anesthetics usually because the doc gives them it by their weight. And they don’t need that much.

See if you can find a wolf hybrid forum with people who know a lot more about them than we do. Don’t leave any puppy alone with small children. You never know what could happen.

Good luck

Steve

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quote Originally posted by Fiero Reagan: =) We own our house

Tha'ts not very smart, if you're indicating you have no homeowners insurance.

I read through this and got an uneasy feeling so I forewarded this thread to a person who is an expert and works with a wolfdog rescue sanctuary. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I'll post his response.


[QUOTE=wolfdogs]LOL... BS. white GSD cross. No wolf. In fact, none of those pics are wolfdogs...... typical.. uneducated buyers scammed. "papers"......LOL... anyone can make up papers on the computer, there is no official register for wolfdogs........ heck, I could do papers on my computer showing a wolf possum mix......LOL........ wolfdogs dont have blue eyes either...... the markings blend slowly into the fur lines........ the ears are filled with fur, they eyes are almond shaped, the chest is narrow, the rear legs are cow hocked....... i could go on..... LOL

wolfdog?....... this is a wolfdog.....










If you really want to chat with the expert, send me a PM and I'll set you up with his contact info


A page worth reading.........http://www.wrr-inc.org/


How to identify a wolfdog: http://www.wolfdogproject.com/ID1.htm


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[This message has been edited by Joe 1320 (edited 09-15-2010).]

I mean, i know we didn't get scammed. We seen the parents of the
puppy and it was obvious that the father was a wolf. And one more thing
about wolves that seperate them from average dogs, The teeth in the
front of most dogs are usually long, narrow and rounded at the bottoms.
And in a wolf, the same teeth are usually long-ish, narrow and extremely
sharp no matter the age.

The one we have in particular, all i can say is that it hurts like hell when
she is trying to play with you because her teeth are so sharp.

quote Originally posted by Fiero Reagan: I mean, i know we didn't get scammed. We seen the parents of the puppy and it was obvious that the father was a wolf. And one more thing about wolves that seperate them from average dogs, The teeth in the front of most dogs are usually long, narrow and rounded at the bottoms. And in a wolf, the same teeth are usually long-ish, narrow and extremely sharp no matter the age. The one we have in particular, all i can say is that it hurts like hell when she is trying to play with you because her teeth are so sharp.

You can believe whatever you choose. Can't say I didn't point out the facts and let you read it for yourself.

My offer to put you in touch with the expert still stands. Not trying to burst your bubble, just shedding some light on your situation. No doubt the puppy is cute, but the facts remain. If anything, it's a low content, definately not 75%.
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[This message has been edited by Joe 1320 (edited 09-15-2010).]

To shed some light on the wolf, wolf hybrid thing.

If the dad was 100% wolf and the mom was 100% white Shepard that makes all the babies 50% wolf.

If they were not, the mom and dad 100% of what ever then the % is different and most likely less.

All puppy teeth are sharp, like needles. Even our purebred Great Pyrenees puppies are so sharp they feel like needles.

And I was going to say earlier I have never heard of a wolf or wolf hybrid having papers.
Also there are laws in most states about owning wolf or wolf hybrids. Now TN you can own a lion in your back yard when we were there. But again if you own your own house and don’t at least have liability insurance you are dumber than a bag of hammers if you own any animals.
Steve

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i had forwarded this thread to the expert and he requested that I post the following info:

for the record, you might want to tell that guy one of the favorite tricks of backyard wolfdog breeding is to show high content parents that are not the real parents of the dogs... they do it all the time.
You can also point out that the father could not been a wolf. you cant own a wolf! its illegal.!!! The only way you can have a wolf is to run a wildlife sanctuary and be licensed and quarterly inspected by the USDA Fish and Wildlife and local ACO's... and the regulations are very strict. You have a wolf with out that, and you are going to jail...... And one regulation for having one in a sanctuary is that you can not breed it or the fine and jail time gets even stiffer.

And in the real wolfdog community, we dont use percents.. its impossible to narrow down percent... and the physical percent can be totally different from the genetic percent. We go by low content, mid content, high mid content, and high content. I have seen high content wolfdogs that act more like a dog than a mid content due to genetic inheritance.. and the F factor play a major role. F is the wolf...straight from the wild.. F1 would be fist generation removed from the wild.. and so on. Most wolfdogs are F4 or F5's... that gives time for domestication. My girl happens to be an F3, but I know how to raise wolves and wolfdogs... she's a high mid. Breeders like to lie about the true F factor too........LOL... its a mess.

And the teeth thing, that applies to many dog breeds as well. It just depends on what dogs like to keep their teeth sharp by constant gnawing. I have been with pure wolves in captivity that teeth as dull as my golden retrievers.

I suggest this owner take some time and read the link you sent him from the Wolfdog Project. He really does need to get to know more about wolfdogs.