quote Aquygen™ is a novel gas made from ordinary water through our patented electrolysis process. It replaces oxyacetylene for most brazing, soldering, and cutting applications with superior efficiency, quality, cost-effectiveness, and safety without the need to replace existing equipment. An Aquygen™ flame in open air burns at only 259° F, but applied to a substrate it can produce temperatures of over 10,000° F depending on the target media. Aquygen's unique properties also make it ideal for use in vehicles, such as a hybrid hydrogen-powered car.

This raises eyebrows. If you're electrolyzing water, you're getting 2H2(g) for every 1O2(g). He's charging almost $7000 for an electrolysis cell. It's a scam. It might be okay for brazing, but for running your car, sorry. Law of conservation of energy (it's a law not a theory) says that energy in = energy out. The 2nd law of Thermodynamics says that no process is 100% efficient (essentially). Again, these are laws not theories. Energy must be conserved. His electrolysis process may be more efficient than standard water electrolysis, but you're still losing energy.

Also, I call BS on his temperature claims. H2/O2 burns at 1000K at 1:1. At stoichiometric 2:1 it burns at about 1900K. At 7:1 (O/F) it burns at 3500K. These are known values. Unless he's using another chemical other than hydrogen and oxygen, they're lying.

quote Originally posted by AntiKev: Also, I call BS on his temperature claims. H2/O2 burns at 1000K at 1:1. At stoichiometric 2:1 it burns at about 1900K. At 7:1 (O/F) it burns at 3500K. These are known values. Unless he's using another chemical other than hydrogen and oxygen, they're lying.

again, I didnt read any of what was on the link but I think I have read it before from the sounds of it...

I know it may not make sense, but hydrogen will actually make an engine run cooler... it is a fast hot burn but immidiately cools after... I dont know what all goes into this yet, I have a couple friends who have reasearched it alot more and have experimented with it, one of them is making almost enough to run his 350 engine on in his pickup...

quote Originally posted by THE REAL Fieronut: Thanx for FINALLY giving some UNbiased EXPERIENCE (not THEORY). I will be looking for continued info as time goes by (Hey--great title for a SONG!) I'm thinking I wanna build one too but there are SOOO many different ideas floating around, dunno where to start. I think a glass jar is not so wonderful but what is? I'm lookin'..... If you don't want to get a lot of razzing from the theorists here, you can e-mail me directly, Fieronut at aol dot com.

No, we want to see it, mainly so that we can see whether it really does work or not. I've been investigating increasing the reaction rate of electrolysis quite a bit for another project I'm working on that needs H2(g) as an input for a small-scale industrial process (to produce CH4, which is why it would be pointless to use H2 that had been cracked from CH4 to begin with). This has been the same thing over and over for years, this is the reason that we're skeptical. Meyer's work was never verified and he died before it could be. I've seen videos of his electrolysis cells and I want to investigate them more. He certainly was producing a lot of gas for the amount of current he was inputting. I have to wonder if he wasn't using an electrolyte in the water that he never admitted to.

All I'm trying to say is that you can't create energy from nothing (without annihilating mass). As I was called out before, even in a fusion process, the mass of the components is less than the sum of the parts, which is how E=mc^2 works. A little bit of mass was lost to create energy.

EVERYTHING balances out, conservation of mass, momentum and energy are LAWS, it's just a matter of how they're applied to the apparatus at hand. There are two possible explanations, either a new reaction mechanism for the electrolysis of water has been found, which doesn't violate the laws of physics, or it's a scam. Occam's razor says it's the second, until proven otherwise.