Did the elections turn out in your neck of the woods the way you wished? Did they turn out the way you expected them to or not? I am interested in hearing the "Fiero communities" view on their local races.

S. Williams

Here, the races turned out the way I expected.

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I think a two party government is better than a one party government.
Yeah, no big surprises here.

For the most part, they turned out how I expected. There were a couple of races on the local level I wish had gone different, like the Mike Nifong race. He's the DA in Durham NC that's prosecuting the Duke LaCrosse case. I don't like how he's handled it at all. He got 49% of the vote against a man who said he didn't want the office and wouldn't serve and a third candidate who was a write in. That says a lot about how many people don't approve of Nifong. The irony is if there had only been one opposition candidate, Nifong would have lost, but with votes split three ways, he eeked out a victory.

That and a $970M school bond passed in my county. That'll be a big hike in my property taxes. I was against it primarily because we just got the lottery this year and the whole thing was sold to us about how it will pay for schools, education, etc. It's even called "The North Carolina Education Lottery." So, as soon as the lottery passes, they introduce the largest spending bond in the history of the state for education?

Now that the Republicans don't hold a total majority, there's either going to be gridlock or there will have to be some bipartisan compromise. I see that as a very good thing. We need some more oversight and we haven't been getting it recently.

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: I think a two party government is better than a one party government.

Actually, I think a two party system sucks eggs. We get to choose the lesser of two evils . All I kept hearing before the elections were 'this click wants control'. I really don't think either represents the wishes of the people what with all the political action commities and special interests. If a man wanted to run for office and efect change, he would have no chance against these established clicks. But you are right. It is better than a one party click.
htexans1, no, at this point and time, I was rooting for the R click.

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: I think a two party government is better than a one party government. Yeah, no big surprises here.

Well said.

I votet a mixed ticket.

I was glad to see RI contribute to the dilution of Republican power in D.C. Somewhat better balance, I think.

I was also happy that we retained our Republican governor in RI. But we probably need more Reps in RI to have a decent balance of power.

Lets hope they ALL remember who they work for - us!

I predicted right on the local level all but two races.

National Level I missed a few. I still can't believe J.D. Haysworth lost in Arizona. That guy is cool.

But! Republicans needed to get a good swift kick in the ass and to realize that their power is checked and we will not stand for corruption.

What was strange is that Corruption topped the agenda, more than Iraq on polling voters yesterday on why they voted.

quote Originally posted by htexans1: Did the elections turn out in your neck of the woods the way you wished?

Yep, they're over! Moving on to Christmas commercials now........


Tim

quote Originally posted by Formula88:Now that the Republicans don't hold a total majority, there's either going to be gridlock or there will have to be some bipartisan compromise. I see that as a very good thing. We need some more oversight and we haven't been getting it recently.

I'm feeling a lot more pessimisitc. I don't anticipate bipartisan compromise. As I've said before, politics is about power. The Rs had it, the Ds wanted it. The Ds got it, but not enough that they can do whatever they want. I see gridlock coming.

I am satisfied--as I have been in every election I've participated in, since 1992--that the system worked exactly the way it's supposed to.

And yes, I include the elections of 2000 in that.

I think Neal Boortz makes an excellent point when he says that this election is a much-needed wakeup call--or kick in the ass--for Republicans. They've gone soft and wandered away from the things which gave them a majority in Congress in 1994.

Am I happy? Not even a little bit. The elections didn't turn out the way I wanted them to. I would rather not have to hear about "Speaker Pelosi" for the next couple of years.

That said, however, I am eagerly anticipating hearing about the Democrat plans to "solve" all the GWB-caused "problems". They''ll be worth a laugh or two.

Ed

PS I'm also looking forward to hearing all the Democrats talk about "finally getting a fair election". That'll be a hoot. Because of course "fair"="Democrats win".
PPS I do think these were ACTUALLY FAIR elections, by the way--"fair" in the classic sense in the word, not the way Democrats usually mean it. The Democrats just won this one, is all.

quote Originally posted by edhering: I am satisfied--as I have been in every election I've participated in, since 1992--that the system worked exactly the way it's supposed to. And yes, I include the elections of 2000 in that. I think Neal Boortz makes an excellent point when he says that this election is a much-needed wakeup call--or kick in the ass--for Republicans. They've gone soft and wandered away from the things which gave them a majority in Congress in 1994. [quote]Am I happy? Not even a little bit. The elections didn't turn out the way I wanted them to. I would rather not have to hear about "Speaker Pelosi" for the next couple of years.

I'm told Pelosi is worth $50 million. Yup, a real (wo)man of the people, she is.

quote that said, however, I am eagerly anticipating hearing about the Democrat plans to "solve" all the GWB-caused "problems". They''ll be worth a laugh or two. Ed

Hey, Ed, at least one silver lining - they can't blame us anymore.

quote PS I'm also looking forward to hearing all the Democrats talk about "finally getting a fair election". That'll be a hoot. Because of course "fair"="Democrats win". PPS I do think these were ACTUALLY FAIR elections, by the way--"fair" in the classic sense in the word, not the way Democrats usually mean it. The Democrats just won this one, is all.

How much do you think we'll be hearing about "election stealing" now? My bet is ZERO. At least when Rs lose, they won't turn into crybabies.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: I'm feeling a lot more pessimisitc. I don't anticipate bipartisan compromise. As I've said before, politics is about power. The Rs had it, the Ds wanted it. The Ds got it, but not enough that they can do whatever they want. I see gridlock coming.

The R's had it and squandered the use of it. Shameful. But at least there is some lasting effect with the placement of two Supreme Court judges.

If you see gridlock coming, then I wouldn't feel pessimistic. I love gridlock. Because this country really doesn't NEED the government we get out of Washington. The BEST government performance in my lifetime was under Clinton, when he and congress couldn't get a budget done and so the government shut down except for "essential services". Gridlock at its finest and government performance at its best.


Regarding the question by htexans1, in Wisconsin the people voted by a wide margin to amend the state constitution to define marriage as between one man and one woman, and that any other "unions" were not afforded equal status to that. So I am VERY glad about that. The sad part about it is that I really didn't care if companies offered benefits to unmarried people, including homosexual couples. But they tried to push their agenda, and so now have wound up with significantly less rights than they would have if they would have just not been pushy.

I must be in tune with the rest of my state.

Everyone and everthing I voted for won!!!

Mom and Dad don't have to worry about their property taxes going up anymore.

Gay Marriage is now an Oxymoron in TN.

quote Originally posted by frontal lobe: If you see gridlock coming, then I wouldn't feel pessimistic. I love gridlock. Because this country really doesn't NEED the government we get out of Washington. The BEST government performance in my lifetime was under Clinton, when he and congress couldn't get a budget done and so the government shut down except for "essential services". Gridlock at its finest and government performance at its best..

That's an interesting way to look at it. Not all bad, really. I prefer less government. If I could figure out a way to "vote gridlock", but keep the bastages from raising my taxes, that would work fine for me.

Pelosi is the richest person in the House.

What is funny is that she owns a winery and some high end hotels in California. Her winery is the only one in the entire region that it is in that employees non-union labor. Same goes for her hotels. While most of California hotels have a union housekeeping, her hotels do not.

quote Originally posted by frontal lobe: If you see gridlock coming, then I wouldn't feel pessimistic. I love gridlock. Because this country really doesn't NEED the government we get out of Washington. The BEST government performance in my lifetime was under Clinton, when he and congress couldn't get a budget done and so the government shut down except for "essential services". Gridlock at its finest and government performance at its best.

EXACTLY!!!!!

The job of the Dems is to stop the Rep agenda.
The job of the Reps is to stop the Dem agenda.

If you are really opposed to "big government", support gridlock.

This is going to be an interesting next couple of months. I think the dems might have shot themselves in the foot though depending on how they act. If they just do everything anti-republican like I think they will, and the R's pull a good candidate for the 2008 election, they might not have a chance. What I absolutely hated about this election though it was soo republican vs democrat. Theres so much animosity between the two parties it was absolutely rediculous. "Yay we have control!" really ticks me off. It just implies that you and you're group are power hungry and thats all they care about. Lets go back to the main focus of the elections. Not democrats, republicans, or number of seats, but rather the united states itself. I want to see how the democrats are going to take critisism now that they're in control. They kept bashing bush and the senate saying they were doing piss poor. Lets see how they carry the ball. Balls in your court dems, bush still gonna be a scapegoat?

I knew the GOP would lose seats but I honestly thought they would hold a slim majority in both houses. They are barely hanging onto the senate and may lose it still depending on the final count in two states. I figured they could afford to lose 12 seats and still keep the House but they seem to have lost upwards of 30 seats due to the fact that most of the Dems running were conservatives and this afforded Americans an opportunity for balance and they took it.

OH well, I 'm just glad we have conservatives running things still. Now maybe we will get REAL immigration reform.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: Pelosi is the richest person in the House. What is funny is that she owns a winery and some high end hotels in California. Her winery is the only one in the entire region that it is in that employees non-union labor. Same goes for her hotels. While most of California hotels have a union housekeeping, her hotels do not.

Not to mention the labor at the vinyard is migrants. Where is that liberal/labor outrage at your new leader?

Sorry, fixed.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: Pelosi is the richest person in the House. What is funny is that she owns a winery and some high end hotels in California. Her winery is the only one in the entire region that it is in that employees non-union labor. Same goes for her hotels. While most of California hotels have a union housekeeping, her hotels do not.

I DENY THESE FALSE ALLEGATIONS!

I'm happy. All I ever wanted was justice, end to rampant blatant corruption, and a fresh look at how to finish the job in Iraq. Now we will see the creatures pulled out from under their rocks and into the sunlight. There was some MAJOR lies and propaganda over the last few years that led us to war and kept us from facing reality. Those people will be scrutinized, and dealt with accordingly. Then we'll get back to GROWING the middle class instead of shrinking it. I just hope we can hold on long enough to accomplish these things.

Couldn't be no better. Oh it is, Rummy is going to Cut and Run, to use a well known phrase.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15622266/

Turned out exactly as I expected. No big surprises for me.

Slightly off topic ,

I work p/t to assist a DJ friend of mine..... We got to do Sherrod Browns party last night...

Kucinich was there. MAN, his 25 y/o Red headed wife is a BOMBSHELL.

Anyway , I am for a strong government (which would make you think Republican), but I am completely for the Dems....Actually , I am for anybody who's honest, and works for the PEOPLE.

The comment about the shrinking middle class..... 110% agree, and I hope this changes things a bit.

Also with reguard to curruption , I am SURE it's on both sides. It would be nice to get through a couple years and not hear of too many examples.

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No she's still here

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I was fairly worried that the Republicans had established a permanent majority--with all the Gerrymandering in the congressional districts, and the lack of congressional oversight over the Executive branch, and packing the the courts with rightwing judges. We were well on our way to an elected dictatorship.

Whether the Dems float your boat or not, it's nice to see that the system worked, that the America people rose up and said 'enough is enough." I personally like the fact that President Bush got his ass kicked yesterday.

For a variety of reasons, I'm pleased with the national results. The statewide results here in Nevada are not to my liking.

In an interesting race for the Florida state legislature, environmental lawyer Scott Randolph (D) beat incumbent Sherri McInvale (R) by 61% to 39%. Ms Mcinvale won her seat as a Democrat, then switched parties after the election.
The republican party spent heavily in the race, to no avail.

Oh, yeah. And Defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld resigned.

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Uhh... which Democrat is more conservative than the person he/she replaced?

Blue shift, baby. W00T

quote Originally posted by Toddster: I knew the GOP would lose seats but I honestly thought they would hold a slim majority in both houses. They are barely hanging onto the senate and may lose it still depending on the final count in two states. I figured they could afford to lose 12 seats and still keep the House but they seem to have lost upwards of 30 seats due to the fact that most of the Dems running were conservatives and this afforded Americans an opportunity for balance and they took it. OH well, I 'm just glad we have conservatives running things still. Now maybe we will get REAL immigration reform.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Now maybe we will get REAL immigration reform.

I haven't noticed any screams of "stealing the election" or impropriety or election fraud. Guess that only happens when Republicans win.

I voted a split ticket this year because I wanted a better balance of power. Gridlock is the only way to force cooperation. Conn has painted a rosy picture of all the good things that can happen now that the pure of heart and noble of thought Democrats have returned from exile. It remains to be seen if their actions will live up to the talk.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: Pelosi is the richest person in the House. What is funny is that she owns a winery and some high end hotels in California. Her winery is the only one in the entire region that it is in that employees non-union labor. Same goes for her hotels. While most of California hotels have a union housekeeping, her hotels do not.

Oh, so she's a Republican? Cool.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: It remains to be seen if their actions will live up to the talk.

What talk? They didn't even run against their opponents. They ran their opponents against the President. I heard no plan.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: ...may lose it still depending on the final count in two states.

Well, they did lose it. Wins have been declared in both Montana and Virginia but Allen hasn't conceded yet. You'll see Allen fight for a recount, which will go nowhere. ~7000 votes off would be a huge error, especially with all the electronic voting that VA uses now.

I'm not at all suprised by the outcome of the elections. America has needed a postive change for quite some time.

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No, they didn't. Prop 87 died a long, painful death. And so did I while watching the numbers come in.

It's official. California is the dumbest state in the USA.

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quote Originally posted by Toddster: Now maybe we will get REAL immigration reform.

New Conservative Democrate Immigration reform--

All illegal immigrants must be deported or register and vote for a Democrate to stay!!

quote Originally posted by Brian Lamberts: I was fairly worried that the Republicans had established a permanent majority--with all the Gerrymandering in the congressional districts, and the lack of congressional oversight over the Executive branch, and packing the the courts with rightwing judges. We were well on our way to an elected dictatorship.

Oh, brother. You were worried for nothing, then. The Republicans had a majority and they didn't accomplish anything with it. But the biggest "oh, brother", is saved for your comment about packing the courts with right wing judges. That is hilarious, on the heels of DECADES of the courts being packed with liberal ctivist judges who just through out the constitutions they were sworn to defend, and wrote laws from the bench.

You were worried about an "elected" dictatorship, yet weren't at all concerned about the UNelected dictatorships that liberal activist judges were doing for decades.

connecticutFiero, I am glad you wanted an end to rampant blatant corruption. I don't personally see how this vote accomplishes that. I will be glad if it does, but I am not holding my breath. I am just expecting rampant blatant corruption benefitting different people. And regarding a "fresh" look at how to finish the job in Iraq, that is still primarily going to be the president's job and the presidency didn't change. But "fresh" doesn't mean better or effective. And I haven't heard any democratic ideas about ending the war that made anyone but Iran and terrorists happy. And I am not saying any of this in a bitter or argumentative, or complaining way.

i'm very happy.

cigs tax didn't pass.

stem cell research passed.

my local rep brian pratt one.

mccaskill won senate.

rummy got fired.

i couldn't be happier. actually i'm smitten with joy.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: Pelosi is the richest person in the House. What is funny is that she owns a winery and some high end hotels in California. Her winery is the only one in the entire region that it is in that employees non-union labor. Same goes for her hotels. While most of California hotels have a union housekeeping, her hotels do not.

Don't forget Corde Valle. A private Country Club she co-owns in San Martin, California (5 miles from my house) in which this "environmentalist" illegally bulldozed a wild life habitat killing two endangered species. She was required to rebuild the habitat...never did. The Country club was also supposed to be open to the public. it isn't. When the Government sued her to make it publis (as per the use permit) her defense was "The guests of our members are public". The state didn't find that answer amusing. But the public is still barred at the gate. Members, BTW have to pay a $250,000 joining fee plus maintenance.

Pelosi is reportedly worth $50 Million dollars. Her predecessor Haster less than $1 Million.

....power to the people!!!