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Going Back To Where We Never Were! by Boondawg
Started on: 08-31-2006 05:32 PM
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Report this Post08-31-2006 05:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BoondawgClick Here to Email BoondawgSend a Private Message to BoondawgDirect Link to This Post
Maybe THIS time, we'll get to see some better in-studio speical effects!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14594789/

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Originally posted by Boondawg:

Maybe THIS time, we'll get to see some better in-studio speical effects!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14594789/



Dawg, do take it that you think the movie Capricorn 1 was a documentery???

It's good to have an open mind,
just not so open that your brains fall out. Joe
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As someone that grew up in awe of the Apollo program (my dad was one of the engineers on the LEM)... this is sad. They actually said they want to update the apollo technology... OMFG. They looked at these companies because of their involvement in the Apollo program... EVERYONE is retired from that age, most of the senior guys are dead.

Why on earth would you want to update that old technology... Ok, maybe rocket nozzle design hasn't changed much, but it's like deciding we want a new transcontinental aircraft and so we are going to hire the team that built the Junkers from the last century... just update the props and throw a LCD screen in it and charge a few billion... Should be looking at companies like SpaceX that are using cost effective designs, although it's gaurantee'd they wouldn't go there since the owner has stated one of his goals is to put NASA out of business.
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Report this Post08-31-2006 10:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PhrancClick Here to Email PhrancSend a Private Message to PhrancDirect Link to This Post
What happened to NASA? I use to think ,wow NASA, now its more like ,meh what ever. Did everyone lose thier imagination?
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Originally posted by Scott-Wa:
Why on earth would you want to update that old technology...


I'll take "Because it works" for $400, Alex.

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Did everyone lose thier imagination?


They don't have enough "public capital" to stick their neck out any farther than it is right now.

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Originally posted by ryan.hess:


I'll take "Because it works" for $400, Alex.




They don't even have the people anymore that know how or why it worked, it's all in propietary systems that you can't even get parts for anymore. I had some of those chips... think they are going to go with 1kx4 ram chips again? It was the stone age of the computer world, the design work was mostly done on slide rules... I should know I still have one of them.

I think it's a recipe for failure (well gauranteed weak performance, overpriced, assured delays... that sort of thing and congress will probably pull the plug on it in a few years), should have put out a bid with what they want to accomplish and limited constrains on design and let the companies have at it. Seems like they are just putting out a pork project for an aerospace company with strong pull.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19750013238_1975013238.pdf

Technology!!! Check out the PRA tape reader for programming the LEM... 64,000 bit max (not byte... bit). This was an upgrade used in later missions.

Hey, this is neat... want the intro the crews got to the LEM?

http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/LM-intro.pdf

Neat that a lot of this stuff got scanned in.

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Dawg, do take it that you think the movie Capricorn 1 was a documentery???



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Originally posted by Scott-Wa:
They don't even have the people anymore that know how or why it worked, it's all in propietary systems that you can't even get parts for anymore. I had some of those chips... think they are going to go with 1kx4 ram chips again? It was the stone age of the computer world, the design work was mostly done on slide rules... I should know I still have one of them.

I think it's a recipe for failure (well gauranteed weak performance, overpriced, assured delays... that sort of thing and congress will probably pull the plug on it in a few years), should have put out a bid with what they want to accomplish and limited constrains on design and let the companies have at it. Seems like they are just putting out a pork project for an aerospace company with strong pull.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19750013238_1975013238.pdf

Technology!!! Check out the PRA tape reader for programming the LEM... 64,000 bit max (not byte... bit). This was an upgrade used in later missions.

Hey, this is neat... want the intro the crews got to the LEM?

http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/LM-intro.pdf

Neat that a lot of this stuff got scanned in.



Something tells me you won't see much Apollo era electronics on board. (duh)
But electronics aside, the basic vehicle design is sound and the engine designs were very reliable. Use what works well, and update it with modern tech.

Why do we still use aircraft today? Didn't Orville and Wilbur use a propeller driven craft with wings to fly way back in 1903? Gee, why would you build a new airplane with wings and a propeller? They didn't even HAVE computers back then.
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Originally posted by Scott-Wa:

As someone that grew up in awe of the Apollo program (my dad was one of the engineers on the LEM)... this is sad. They actually said they want to update the apollo technology... OMFG. They looked at these companies because of their involvement in the Apollo program... EVERYONE is retired from that age, most of the senior guys are dead.

Why on earth would you want to update that old technology... Ok, maybe rocket nozzle design hasn't changed much, but it's like deciding we want a new transcontinental aircraft and so we are going to hire the team that built the Junkers from the last century... just update the props and throw a LCD screen in it and charge a few billion... Should be looking at companies like SpaceX that are using cost effective designs, although it's gaurantee'd they wouldn't go there since the owner has stated one of his goals is to put NASA out of business.


"The SpaceX five and nine engine architectures are improved versions of those employed by the Saturn V and Saturn I rockets of the Apollo Program, which had flawless flight records despite losing engines on a number of missions." http://www.spacex.com/

Why aren't you blasting SpaceX for using "that old technology?"
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Originally posted by Formula88:
Why aren't you blasting SpaceX for using "that old technology?"

I'm just glad he is not blasting me for driving mid 80's technology .
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Report this Post09-01-2006 08:50 AM Click Here to See the Profile for tesmith66Send a Private Message to tesmith66Direct Link to This Post
I just wish Boeing would have won it. We can't win crap anymore.

Where is the engineering work being done? I may need to update my resume...

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Originally posted by cliffw:

I'm just glad he is not blasting me for driving mid 80's technology .


LOL. Good point.
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Originally posted by Formula88:

Use what works well, and update it with modern tech.



The C - 130.
Been around for quite a while, still a GREAT plane!

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Originally posted by cliffw:

I'm just glad he is not blasting me for driving mid 80's technology .


I thought it was early 80's technology, with an engine designed in the mid 70's?

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