Recap those dozens or hundreds of convictions relating to stealing the national election for us Toddster... I looked and couldn't find but one group of idiots on the democratic side slashing tires, and the other group that had to deal with a city mayor. The one that had to do with murder didn't have anything to do with the election.

I'm sure 'some people" will poo poo this, but its a fact that the Diebold electronic voting machines are easily hacked crap.
ENJOY. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5173816754727816515


And if voter fraud bothers you, read this: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/072506C.shtml

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quote Originally posted by Scott-Wa: Recap those dozens or hundreds of convictions relating to stealing the national election for us Toddster... I looked and couldn't find but one group of idiots on the democratic side slashing tires, and the other group that had to deal with a city mayor. The one that had to do with murder didn't have anything to do with the election.

I don't want to search through every thread in OT where I posted another convcition story but here is one recent one naming a couple dozen or so Democrats convicted of felonies:

//www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/041906.html

BTW, the name of the thread is 2006 election predictions...got any?

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quote Originally posted by Toddster: I don't want to search through every thread in OT where I posted another convcition story but here is one recent one naming a couple dozen or so Democrats convicted of felonies: //www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/041906.html BTW, the name of the thread is 2006 election predictions...got any?

From Todds cut and paste in that thread.

"8) Tom Esposito – convicted of voter fraud. The former Logan County West Virginia Democratic Mayor, faces up to three years of federal prison time."

Bwuhahaha.

The former Logan County West Virginia Democratic Mayor

Big fishes you caught there douchester. I could do the same thing and net a WAY bigger catch. These people are small fries. Try on John Rowland Governor of CT for size. Or Tom Delay House Majority Leader. Try Duke Cunningham, United States Congressman. Try David Savian, head of the Federal GAO office appointed by W. Those are REAL. Mayors and town clerks are a joke. So are you.

Awww. And Todd was SO proud of that little fish. I remember when he caught it. He didn't sleep all night!

Predictions:
Tom DeLay (R TX) will NOT be re elected to Congress.
Catherine Harris (R- FL) Will NOT unseat senator Bill Nelson.
Senator Rick Santorum (R-PN) will lose his re election bid.
Ted Strickland (D) will defeat Ken Blackwell (R) in the governors race in Ohio. In spite of a republican whispering campaign alleging the democratic challenger is a gay pedophile ( He's a married, ordained minister).
http://www.columbusdispatch.com/?story=dispatch/2006/07/27/20060727-A1-03.html
Mitt Romney WILL NOT win the Republican presidential nomination.
I predict the American public MAY finally be tired of the Rovian dirty tricks and smear tactics that have been so successful in the last few elections.

This is SO easy.

I listed several predictions earlier, some by me, some by con servative columnist Robert Novak and recieved personal insults from Toddster for my trouble.
I expect the same again.

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quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: From Todds cut and paste in that thread. ---> "8) Tom Esposito – convicted of voter fraud. The former Logan County West Virginia Democratic Mayor, faces up to three years of federal prison time." Bwuhahaha.

HaHAHAHA, you kill me kid. You left the number by the link.

Yeah, Todd found ONE bad guy...Uh, next to number 8...BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

As for Tom Delay, his is STILL not a Convict, just indicted. Leave it to a liberal to not know the difference.

But if its federal crminals you want, I'm only TOO happy to oblige. In the last 30 years more than a dozen members of congress have been convicted of felony crimes, Only 2 were Republicans! Read 'em and weep laughing boy.

- Rep. Charles Diggs Jr., D-Mich., was convicted in 1978 of operating a payroll kickback scheme in his congressional office. He served seven months of a three-year prison term. He was re-elected, then resigned in 1980.
- Rep. Michael Myers, D-Pa., served 20 1/2 months of a three-year prison sentence for accepting bribes from FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen. He was convicted in 1980 and expelled from Congress.
- Four other House members were convicted in the Arab businessmen bribery scandal: Democratic Reps. John Murphy of New York, Frank Thompson of New Jersey, John Jenrette of South Carolina and Raymond Lederer of Pennsylvania. Thompson and Murphy were sentenced to three years; Jenrette, two years; and Lederer, one year.
- Rep. Mario Biaggi, D-N.Y., was convicted in 1988 of extorting nearly $2 million from defense contractor Wedtech Corp. He resigned from Congress and served two years and two months of an eight-year sentence. He was defeated in his 1992 re-election bid.
- Rep. Mel Reynolds, D-Ill., was sentenced in 1995 to five years in prison for having sex with an underage campaign worker. He resigned from Congress, then was sentenced in 1997 to 6 1/2 years for bank fraud and other violations. The second sentence, which was to run at the same time as the first, was commuted in 2001 by President Clinton. ( they probably had a frat party together and invited over all the interns)
- Rep. Walter Tucker III, D-Calif., was sentenced in 1996 to two years and three months in prison for accepting and demanding bribes while mayor of a Los Angeles suburb. He resigned from Congress a week after his 1995 conviction.
- Rep. Dan Rostenkowski, D-Ill., pleaded guilty in 1996 to two felony mail fraud charges, lost re-election and served 15 months in prison. Clinton pardoned him in 2000.
- Rep. James A. Trafficant, D-Ohio, was convicted of 10 counts of bribery, conspiracy and racketeering, expelled from Congress and sentenced in 2002 to eight years in prison.


And this list does NOT include two Democratic members of Congress, Jefferson and McKinney who are still under investigation.

Don't throw stones in a glass house Conn

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Same old, same old...and this IS a European website !! Thanks for a good read guys...two years ago!!
Yawn..put the popcorn back, put away the teacups, turn out the lights...won't miss much And if I do, I can always use search for 2004 ...just kidding, actually...had to pull a few US legs
Nick

quote Originally posted by Toddster: HaHAHAHA, you kill me kid. You left the number by the link.

I was simply showing one of your absurd examples, I wasn't about to post all of your embarassing nobodys.

quote - Rep. Charles Diggs Jr., D-Mich., was convicted in 1978

LOL

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quote Originally posted by fierofetish: Same old, same old...and this IS a European website !! Thanks for a good read guys...two years ago!! Yawn..put the popcorn back, put away the teacups, turn out the lights...won't miss much And if I do, I can always use search for 2004 ...just kidding, actually...had to pull a few US legs Nick

I wish more Europeans would post here,Nick
A different perspective would be nice.
I understand our cowboy president isn't too popular in some quarters, eh?.
But I wouldn't blame europeans for fearing to swim in shark infested waters like these, though.
Its almost as bad as the opinion page in the Australian sometimes!
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19833957-12272,00.html

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quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: ..convicted in 1978

Yeah, well since the sentenced began with "in the last 30 years..." I suppose this item needed inclusion.

But by all means, bring up a list of convicted Republican Congressmen and women in the last 30 years. I'll put it up on the book shelf right beside "The Great Big Book of French Heros of World War II" and "The Book of Jamaican Ice Hockey Stars"

Ooop, you dropped your pointy hat Conn.

And we are still waiting to hear you PREDICTIONS. Or have you liberals got so used to losing that you can't think about anything but bashing the other guy anymore.

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OK, one more:
I predict that a LOT of men will vote for Republican candidate for governor of Nevada (and pron star) Melody Damayo
http://www.vgt2004.org/a-rgj2006/candidate-detail.go?id=3894865
However, they will tell their wives they voted for someone else!
(her stage name is Mimi Miyagi)

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quote Originally posted by Toddster: Yeah, well since the sentenced began with "in the last 30 years..." I suppose this item needed inclusion. But by all means, bring up a list of convicted Republican Congressmen and women in the last 30 years. I'll put it up on the book shelf right beside "The Great Big Book of French Heros of World War II" and "The Book of Jamaican Ice Hockey Stars" Ooop, you dropped your pointy hat Conn. And we are still waiting to hear you PREDICTIONS. Or have you liberals got so used to losing that you can't think about anything but bashing the other guy anymore.

I was one of the first people to post predictions in this thread, is your memory THAT short? I guess that explains why you forgot that it's the Republicans being indicted and convicted on a grand scale. It might also explain why you seem to have forgotten all about Daniel Elsberg's office break in and the Watergate break in by the Nixon administration. Widely viewed as the most corrupt in modern history. Could also be the reason you forgot that Oliver North was indeed convicted by a jury for his role in Iran Contra, only to be later overturned on a technicality. Lucky him.

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: I was one of the first people to post predictions in this thread, is your memory THAT short? .

You mean you were SERIOUS?

OK, my bad.

I'm sure your "predictions" will all come true

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Well, she certainly does bring a lot of assets to the position. Naaa, couldn't be true. Afterall, we Republicans are all uptight zenophobic religious stiffs who wear bow ties and walk with our butt cheeks clenched together, right?

You said it. I have nothing to add.

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Hmmm..in all seriousness, I would recommend looking for a Presidential Candidate of the calibre of Tony Blair.... ..what am I saying??!! A Conservative supporter, recommending a Socialist?? Hahaha!! Blair is the best 'conservative' Premier the Conservatives never had...after Maggie Thatcher, that is I can't STAND his stupid wife( ), but he does seem to have courage, is willing to stand by his beliefs, and is a very good debater.He made a very bad mistake by making that loutish, old-world 'Labour' oaf John Prescott his deputy...but I think he had to accept that nomination by the Left, in order to get the Premiership.
Thinking back, I rather think my nomenclature as per US usage, is more of a Libertarian than a Conservative (Republican).But whatever, I do admire to a degree, Mr Blair.

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quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: You said it. I have nothing to add.

HAHA

OK OK, it's reassuring to know we can actually share a laugh together Neptune.

But how about it? think you can drum-up an intellectually honest prediction?

The ponit of this exercise BTW is not chest beating. I didn't jump in with an 'I told you so' thread in '04 and I won't now. I am interested in gaging my own observations of the mood and values of the electorate agains the polls. So electorate, speak-up.

quote [B]Originally posted by Toddster: intellectually honest...... prediction?

Toddster..these two things can never functionally appear in the same sentence!! Maybe an 'educated' guess would be a better phrase!!
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quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: I was one of the first people to post predictions in this thread, is your memory THAT short? I guess that explains why you forgot that it's the Republicans being indicted and convicted on a grand scale. It might also explain why you seem to have forgotten all about Daniel Elsberg's office break in and the Watergate break in by the Nixon administration. Widely viewed as the most corrupt in modern history. Could also be the reason you forgot that Oliver North was indeed convicted by a jury for his role in Iran Contra, only to be later overturned on a technicality. Lucky him.

Please post this grand list of convicted Republicans of the last 30 years.

Tue, Apr 18, 2006 2:13pm EST
Media ignored convicted Illinois governor's Republican affiliation

Summary: On April 17, numerous news outlets -- including NBC, CBS, NPR, and Fox News -- covering former Illinois governor George Ryan's conviction on corruption charges failed to mention that he is a Republican


STATE BY STATE GOP SCANDAL SCORECARD
go here to see who did what http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/gopscorecard.htm
Alabama US Sen. Richard Shelby

Gov. Robert Riley
Recipient of contributions from Abramoff
Alaska State Senate President Ben Stevens (son of US Senate Pro Temp Pres. Ted Stevens)

US Sen. Ted Stevens

US Rep. Don Young
Probed for accepting consulting fees from oil services firm Veco. Subject to a recall petit

Fingered by Neil Volz in Safavian trial as receiving bribe money from Abramoff.
Arkansas Arkansas Republican Party Received contributions from. DeLay’s ARMPAC, l
Arizona US Rep. J. D. Hayworth

US Rep. Rick Renzi

Sen. Jon Kyl


Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger



US Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham

US Rep. Dana Rohrabacher

US Rep. Doug Ose

US Rep. Richard Pombo

US Rep. John Doolittle

US Rep. Ed Royce

US Rep. Ken Calvert

US Rep. and House Appropriations Committee Chairman Jerry Lewis

Former US Rep. Bill Lowery

US Rep. Duncan Hunter
GOP Rep. Bill Lowery and Cerberus Capital Management. Recipient of campaign funds from Mitchell Wade (MZM).

Being probed criminally for involvement in bribery scandal involving Rep. Jerry Lewis
Colorado Colorado Republican Party Received contributions from. DeLay’s ARMPAC, lGov. John Rowland

US Rep. Rob Simmons
Convicted, imprisoned 2004

Delaware Attorney General Jane Brady Accused of helping MBNA Bank of Wilmington

Adam Kidan, DC Dial-a-Mattress franchise owner in DC and Abramoff associate since College Republican days when Abramoff was chairman

Michael Scanlon, former chief of staff to Tom DeLay

Steve Rosen, American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)

Keith Weismann, AIPAC

Larry Franklin, Colonel, USAF Reserves, Dept. of Defense

Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President’s Chief of Staff

White House Deputy
Chief of Staff Karl Rove

David Safavian, Head of Procurement Policy, O.M.B., former Chief of Staff, General Service Administration

Ex-Corporation for Public Broadcasting Chairman and current Broadcasting Board of Governors member Kenneth Tomlinson

Patricia Harrison, President Corporation for Public Broadcasting

Vice-President
Dick Cheney

President
George W. Bush

J. Steven Griles, former Interior Deputy Secretary

Mitchell Wade, former President of MZM

Tony Rudy, former aide to Tom DeLay

Dr. Lester M. Crawford, former Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration

HUD Secretary Alphonso Jackson

Roger G. Stilwell, Interior Department, Office of Insular Affairs, Commonwealth of Northern Marianas




Probed for violating

Pleaded guilty on Feb. 24, 06 to contract fraud and bribery involving GOP Reps. Duke Cunningham, Virgil Goode, and Katherine Harris and Defense Department contracts. Agrees to cooperate with prosecutors.

Pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy in Abramoff probe. Cooperating with prosecutors.

Florida US Rep. Katherine Harris, US Senate candidate
US Rep. Tom Feeney

US Rep. Ric Keller

Rush Limbaugh, GOP talk radio host and close friend of the Bush family

Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart
Probed for campaign donations from MZM, Inc. (related to Duke Cunningham probe). Identified as "Representative B" in Feb. 24 06 court filings in Washington, DC.

Recipient of contributions from Abramoff. Probed for corporate ties to Yang Enterprises, involved in over billing state of Florida. Feeney was Jeb Bush’s 1994 running mate for Lt. Gov.
Georgia Ralph Reed,
candidate for Lt. Gov.

US Sen. John Isakson

US Sen.
Saxby Chambliss

US Rep. Phil Gingrey

US Rep. Jack Kingston

U.S. Rep. John Linder
Probed for involvement in Abramoff, Kidan, DeLay Indian casino money laundering.

Recipient of contributions from Abramoff

Recipient of contributions
from Abramoff
Guam Gov. Felix Camacho Probed for ties to Abramoff and demoting Acting US Attorney for Guam Frederick Black
Hawaii New Hawaii PAC and House GOP PAC

Dalton Tanonaka, former Lt. gubernatorial and congressional candidate

State US Rep. and House Minority Leader Galen Fox

Idaho US Rep.
Michael Simpson

US Rep. Butch Otter

Sen. Larry Craig
Recipient of contributions
from Abramo
Dennis Hastert
US Rep. Jerry Weller
Republican National Treasurer Bob Kjellander

Former House Leader State US Rep. Lee Daniels (Elmhurst)

Rep. Timothy Johnson

Former Gov. George Ryan
Probed for
accepting money from Turkey. Also investigated for receiving money from Abramoff.

Recipient of contributions from Abramoff (Weller is married to the daughter of Guatemalan dictator and mass murderer [300,0000 Guatemalans] Efrain Rios Montt).

US Rep. Dan Burton

Gov. Mitch Daniels

Thomas Sharp,
INDOT Commissioner

Jim Kittle,
state GOP party chairman

US Rep. Chris Chocola
Kansas US Rep. Jim Ryun

US Senator
Sam Brownby

Kentucky
Gov. Ernie Fletcher

Commissioner of Trans-
portation, Dan Druen

Deputy Personnel Secretary Bob Wilson

Chairman of Kentucky GOP, Darrell Brock,

Gov. Personnel Adviser Basil Turbyfill

Transportation Secretary Bill Nighbert

Dick Murgatroyd, Gov. Deputy Chief of Staff

Jim Adams, Deputy Transportation Secretary

Cory Meadows, Executive Director, Transportation Dept.

Environmental Pro-
tection Commissioner Lloyd Cress

US Sen. Jim Bunning

Lt. Gov. Stephen Pence

Dave Disponett

Louisiana US Sen. David Vitter Linked to Abramoff in a case involving a Louisiana Indian tribe.
Maine Maine Republican Party

Sen. Susan Collins

Sen. Olympia Snowe
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Maryland Joseph Steffen, aide to Gov. Bob Ehrlich

Gov. Bob Ehrlich

Claude Allen, White House domestic policy adviser, former Deputy Secretary for Health and Human Services, nominated for Federal 4th court of appeals judge in Virginia. Congress blocked nomination.

Brian Doyle, Deputy Press Secretary, Department of Homeland Security

Massa- chusetts Gov. Mitt Romney’s Executive Office of Environmental Affairs

Lawrence Novak, Vice Chair, state GOP

Michigan US Rep. Dave Camp

Attorney General
Mike Cox

US Rep.
Candice Mille


Minne-sota US Rep. Gil Gutknecht
Missouri US Sen.
Christopher Bond

US Sen. Jim Talent

Gov. Matt Blunt,
son of Roy Blunt

US Rep. Roy Blunt,
House Majority Leade

Mississippi US Rep.
Charles Pickering

US Rep. Roger Wicker

US Sen.
Thad Cochran

US Sen. Trent Lott

Montana US Senator
Conrad Burns

US Rep.
Dennis Rehberg

Nebraska Former US Rep.
Jon Christensen

US Rep.
Jeff Fortenberg.
Nevada US Sen. John Ensign

US Rep. Jon Porter



New Hampshire US Senator
John Sununu

US Rep. Jeb Bradley

House Speaker Gene Chandler

James Tobin, Northeast political director National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee

Chuck McGee, former Exec. Dir. New Hampshire Republican Party

Allen Raymond, GOP Marketplace President

Darell Henry, GOP lobbyist

Shaun Hansen, founder of Mylo Enter


New Jersey Tom Wilson ,
State GOP Party Chairman

US Rep. Jim Saxton

US Rep.
Frank LoBiondo

US Rep.
Mike Ferguson



Probed for his firm receiving $2.7 million from the Burlington County Bridge Commission

New Mexico US Rep. Heather Wilson Recipient of contributions from Abramoff
New York Westchester County District Attorney Jeanine Pirro and former US Senate candidate

Rep. John Sweeney
Probed for campaign donations from mobsters. Her husband served a year in prison for tax evasion.

Northern Marianas Gov. Froilan Tenorio
North Carolina US Rep. Charles Taylor

Hayes Martin, Taylor Campaign Treasurer

US Rep. Walter Jones

Sen. Elizabeth Dole

North Dakota Richard Clayburgh,
Gov. Bob Taft



Thomas Noe, Bush-Cheney 04 campaign chair, NW Ohio; Turnpike Commissioner; University Regent

Terrence Gasper, former Chief Financial Officer, Ohio Bureau of Workers' Compensation



Bernadette Noe, Thomas Noe’s wife; chair Lucas County GOP; chair Lucas Co. Board of Elections

Brian Hicks, Taft chief of staff, member Ohio University Board of Trustees

Cherie Carroll, Taft Chief of Staff Executive Secretary

US Rep. Bob Ney



US Rep. Jean Schmidt

US Rep.
Ralph Regula

Douglas Moormann, Gov. Taft's Executive Assistant for Business and Industry

Walden O'Dell, Chairman & CEO of Diebold, Bush-Cheney major campaign contributor who promised to "deliver" Ohio to Bush in 2004

Neil Volz, former chief of staff to Ohio Rep. Bob Ney.

US Rep. Steve Chabot

US Rep. Steve LaTourette

Oklahoma US Rep. Ernest Istook

US Sen. James Inhofe

US Sen. Tom Coburn
Recipient of contributions from Abramoff

Recipient of contributions from Abramoff

Recipient of contributions from Abramoff
Oregon US Sen. Gordon Smith

State US Rep. Dan Doyle
sylvania US Rep. Don Sherwood

US Rep. Curt Weldon

US Sen. Arlen Specter

US Rep. Joe Pitts

US Rep. Mike Fitzpatrick
Investigated by DC police for assaulting and choking a 29-year old Maryland woman

Recipient of contributions from Abramoff


Puerto Rico Puerto Rican New Progressive Party (GOP affiliate party)
Rhode Island Former House candidate (2002) Mike Battles

Providence Mayor Vince Cianci
Firm, Custer Battles, disbarred from Iraq contracts after allegations of over charging
South Carolina US Rep. Joe Wilson

US Rep. Gresham Barrett
South Dakota US Sen. John Thune

US Rep. Bill Jan

US Rep. Van Hilleary

US Sen. Bill Frist

Texas

Sen. John CornynUS Rep. Tom DeLay,
House Majority Leader Probed for gambling campaign funding ties to Jack Abramoff and Ralph Reed.



John Colyandro, Texans for a Republican Majority (TRMPAC), DeLay associate

Warren RoBold, Lobbyist and DeLay associate

House Speaker Tom Craddick

Sam Walls, candidate for Texas House

State Rep.
Todd Baxter

US Rep. Kevin Brady

US Rep. Pete Sessions

US Rep. Sam Johnson
Utah US Rep. Chris Cannon Recipient of contributions from Abramoff
Vermont Gov. Jim Douglas Opposition to universal health care in Vermont tied to huge contributions from insurance industry.
Virginia US Rep. Virgil Goode

Jerry Kilgore, gubernatorial candidate

US Rep. Eric Cantor

US Rep. Randy Forbes

US Sen. George Allen

US Rep. Tom Davis

Kyle "Dusty" Foggo, Executive Director, CIA

Porter Goss, CIA Director

Sen. John Warner
Washing-
ton US Rep. George Nethercutt

US Rep. Doc Hastings

Spokane Mayor Jim West


US Rep. Mark Green

Former Assembly leader Steven Foti

Wyoming US Sen. Mike Enzi

US Rep. Barbara Cubin

This chart from http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/gopscorecard.php
is part of Wayne Madsen's massive site, at:
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/.

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quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: I was one of the first people to post predictions in this thread, is your memory THAT short? I guess that explains why you forgot that it's the Republicans being indicted and convicted on a grand scale. It might also explain why you seem to have forgotten all about Daniel Elsberg's office break in and the Watergate break in by the Nixon administration. Widely viewed as the most corrupt in modern history. Could also be the reason you forgot that Oliver North was indeed convicted by a jury for his role in Iran Contra, only to be later overturned on a technicality. Lucky him.

You need a history lesson. Nixon was run out of office mainly by Republicans for attempting to cover up wrongdoing for which he had no knowledge beforehand. If he'd thrown the miscreants to the wolves he'd be a saint now. Nixon was responsible for some of the most left wing nonsense since Roosevelt. He belonged to the Republican party but he was not a Republican in his policies.
Oliver North also acted outside the knowladge of the President. Reagan opened his adminestration up to a full investigation. The difference between a great man and a mediocre one.

quote Originally posted by ray b: Tue, Apr 18, 2006 2:13pm EST Media ignored convicted Illinois governor's Republican affiliation Summary: On April 17, numerous news outlets -- including NBC, CBS, NPR, and Fox News -- covering former Illinois governor George Ryan's conviction on corruption charges failed to mention that he is a Republican STATE BY STATE GOP SCANDAL SCORECARD go here to see who did what http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/gopscorecard.htm Alabama US Sen. Richard Shelby

Uh, an obvious question, why do you have a list of people who've never been convicted of anything as defense of your position that the GOP is corrupt?

I conceed Duke Cunningham but what about the rest?

Pombo? Convicted of nothing, Schwarzenegger? Nada, etc etc etc. The re-occuring theme is "Recipient of contributions from Abramoff ", by that standard just as many Democrats are "corrupt". The list I posted above is CONVICITONS, not inuendo. So where is the list of CONVICTED Republicans?

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cut and paste screwed up on that page
BUT there are a lot of CONVICTED Republicans on there
in addition to the on going investigations that will add to the list of
CONVICTED Republicans

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quote Originally posted by ray b: cut and paste screwed up on that page BUT there are a lot of CONVICTED Republicans on there in addition to the on going investigations that will add to the list of CONVICTED Republicans

Oh, well, ray b says there are a LOT, so there must be. Oh, and there will be more, 'cause ray b says so.

Yeaaaah, riiiiight.

ray ray, we're not talking SCANDALS. We're talking CONVICTIONS.
Let's see a list of GOP who have been TRIED AND CONVICTED of crimes.

Saying a politician was involved in a scandal is a bit redundant. They're politicians. Virtually all of them are in some kind of scandal at one time or another - regardless of party.

No listings of what they were probed for or investigated for. Just show us the CONVICTIONS.
Remember, innocent until proven guilty, right? Liberals do still believe that, right?

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Remember, innocent until proven guilty, right? Liberals do still believe that, right?

Only for themselves, not for Republicans/Conservatives.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Only for themselves, not for Republicans/Conservatives.

Well, actually the question was rhetorical. In the last 30 years only 2 federal GOP members have been convicted of a felony crime. A handful of state and local government officials have been but by no means anywhere near the number of NDC members at any level of government. That is why the whole "culture of corruption" arguement made me laugh out loud when I first heard it. It is beyond the pale!

quote Originally posted by larryemory: You need a history lesson. Nixon was run out of office mainly by Republicans for attempting to cover up wrongdoing for which he had no knowledge beforehand. If he'd thrown the miscreants to the wolves he'd be a saint now. Nixon was responsible for some of the most left wing nonsense since Roosevelt. He belonged to the Republican party but he was not a Republican in his policies. Oliver North also acted outside the knowladge of the President. Reagan opened his adminestration up to a full investigation. The difference between a great man and a mediocre one.

I hope you're hungry because I'm gonna make you eat those words. We have been through this before, but I'll gladly take you on in historical fact. Here is a discussion from long ago about this same topic.

//www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000003/HTML/20060206-6-033815.html

This is one post from me in that thread.

"Here you go, this is from HardBall, its Chris Mathews playing the tapes for Kissinger.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8073301/

"But here‘s a quote from June of ‘71, a year before the Watergate break-in. “The way I want that handled, Bob”—that‘s Bob Haldeman—“is through another way. I want Brooking. Just break in. Break in and take it out. You understand?”

“But what do we have to do—how do we do that?”

Nixon says: “Don‘t discuss it here.”

In other words, Nixon is afraid he‘s being taped, I guess.

“You‘re to break into the place, rifle the files, and bring me.”

And then he says: “Just go in and take it. Go in around 8:00 or 9:00 at night and clean it up.” "
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Here is story about it. This is from a different breakin he ordered before watergate.
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"Lone guard foils all the president's men

July 24 2002


One year before the Watergate break-in, Richard Nixon ordered a burglary at the Brookings Institution, telling aides, "I want the Brookings safe cleaned out."

A few days later, two men with attache cases entered the think tank's lobby, asking to see Morton Halperin, a critic of the president's Vietnam policy. But the security guard on duty, a tall, thin Caribbean native with a no-exceptions policy, didn't recognise them. Roderick Warrick told them they had to clear their entrance with Halperin. And the men left.

On Monday, three decades after that encounter, Brookings staff - from the institution's president to its computer technicians, from scholars to corporate executives - turned out to honour the man who is credited with saving the institution's files. They all had stories to tell about his stalwart devotion to the rules - like the time he would not let the vice-president of Brookings into the building because he had not met him before.

"He has the most complaints against him of any employee I supervise," Kathy Santos, director of building operations, said proudly. "At least until September 11, I used to get a complaint once a month."

An employee would chafe because Warrick wouldn't let his girlfriend up to the library. Or let him take a computer home. Or even come to work if he'd forgotten his access card. "I calmed them down and told them Warrick was just doing his job," Santos said.


Just doing his job earned Warrick the affection of many on the staff. In a reception room laden with salmon canapes, celebratory cake and fresh-cut fruit, they honoured his years on Brookings' payroll - and talked about his service to them even before that, when he worked for a local real estate development company that handled Brookings security.

When Warrick turned away the two men in attache cases, no one knew who had sent them.

But in 1996, the National Archives released a fresh batch of tapes recorded by the Nixon White House. In them, Nixon ordered the burglary at Brookings, then widely considered a liberal organisation. The order came the night the Supreme Court ruled six to three that The New York Times and The Washington Post had a constitutional right to publish the Pentagon Papers, a secret Pentagon study that chronicled decades of failed policy in Vietnam.

Concerned that Halperin and Leslie Gelb, who directed the Pentagon Papers, might leak further anti-war materials, Nixon told White House Chief of Staff H. R. Haldeman to have someone rifle Brookings' files and "just go in and take it! Go in around 8 or 9 o'clock . . . and clean it up."

Warrick's actions in foiling Halperin's uninvited guests - no matter who sent them - made him the toast of the staff on Monday. Stephen Hess, Brookings' presidential scholar, said he delayed a television appearance so he could attend Warrick's party. But he seemed a bit jealous of all the attention given the guard. "They didn't give me a party at my 30th," he said.

Warrick, a dapper, moustached man who prefers not to give his age, seemed a little puzzled by all the attention. "A lot of people think I'm mean, but I'm just careful," he said. "You have to be careful. All it takes is one mistake."

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Nixon also planned the break in into Dr. Fieldings office to get dirt of Daniel Elsberg. Nixon wanted to destroy Elsberg for releasing the Pentagon Papers. All of this happened a YEAR before Watergate. So if Nixon is literally on tape telling his cronies to break in and steal information a year before Watergate, and then Watergate is broken into and papers were being stolen, and then Nixon actively participated in the coverup and destroyed evidence (remember thje missing tape on his presidentrial recordings), then why on Earth should anybody in their right mind believe Nixon was innocent. Even if he was innconect of the Watergate planning, he WAS guilty of the Fielding and Brookings breakins, AND he actively participated in the coverup of all three breakins. So how about you take a history lesson.
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Wesley Clark will be the next president>Mel Gibson vice-president.
I remember reading & keeping this from the internet somewhere:

WASHINGTON - Former Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark accused the Bush administration Saturday of taking the nation on a "path to nowhere" with misguided moves on national security.

The retired Army general and NATO military commander argued in the Democrats' weekly radio address that the United States needs a new plan to win the war on terror after failing to find Sept. 11 terror mastermind Osama bin Laden, fighting an unnecessary war in Iraq and stumbling in halting weapons proliferation in North Korea and Iran.

Clark coupled his criticism of President Bush's policies with a renewed call for the Democratic plan on national security that party leaders unveiled this week.

Portrayed by opponents as weak on national security, Democrats contend that they've cut into the Republican advantage in this midterm-election year based on White House missteps on Iraq and ports security.

"This administration has taken us on a path to nowhere - replete with hyped intelligence, macho slogans and an incredible failure to see the obvious," Clark said in the broadcast.

A candidate in 2004 for the Democratic nomination, Clark has been mentioned as a possible contender again in 2008.

The administration "has shown tragic incompetence in everything from nation building in Iraq to disaster relief in Louisiana," he said. "Let's face it: We're not going to win the war on terror unless we start making more friends and fewer enemies in the world, and we're not going to be able to protect the American people without a new strategy."

Clark joined House and Senate Democrats on Wednesday in calling for a strategy that would provide U.S. agents with the resources to pursue bin Laden, redeployment of U.S. forces from Iraq, better equipment for the military and improved screening of containers and inbound cargo.

They amount to many of the proposals that Democrats have offered previously.

"Security is the first promise of any government, and Democrats mean to help deliver it," Clark said.

He argued that the nation "is in danger from the administration's mistaken policies and priorities."

Clark offered a litany of missteps, from the failure to get bin Laden to the more than 2,350 U.S. military deaths in Iraq and the thousands wounded.

Domestically, he cited several challenges, including rising gasoline prices, illegal immigration and the impact of global warming.

*This guy is a moderate who will try to restore common sense, competency & vision to this so-called nation <IMHO>
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