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What the hell is this man thinking (Jeb Bush)? The last thing I want when I'm eating at a restaurant is noticing a Dog near me. This seems unsanitary, fur debris everywhere, possible eating off humans plates, other dogs sniffing butts and what not, smell of dogs. I hope the restaurants laugh at this monstrosity. I like dogs but the places we eat in my opinion, should not have freakin dogs in them. Also, some people are allergic to dog hair.

[This message has been edited by fierogtowner (edited 06-06-2006).]

Well that last part would be up to the paterian... if they allow dogs just dont go.

Though for all those other reasons I agree its a bad idea, except out side cafes i love taking nikki and having lunch with sara out side in the summer.

There are plenty of dogs that are cleaner than a lot of humans out there.

I don't think that many people will just be showing up with their dogs to the local Applebees. Maybe it'll open up a place for specialty restaurants that cater to humans with pets. I don't think I'd want to go to a place that had lots of dogs inside though. It'd be chaos, who knows if some of them might fight, or run around, or whatever.

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I wouldn't get too upset about it if dining with dogs isn't your thing. From TFA:

quote Gov. Jeb Bush on Friday signed the so-called "doggie dining" bill, which allows local governments to let restaurants permit dogs to eat with their owners outside.

Sounds to me like the regulation was previously set at a state level, and all this does is knock it down to the discretion of the municipalities. There is no mention there of whether or not any municipalities are going to say yay or nay.

...but to me it's like everything else. Don't like what goes on at an establishment, go somewhere else instead of selfishly expecting everyone else to adjust their behavior to your standards.

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Yea that seems like a good idea, ever see two dogs try to rush to a dropped piece of food? much less two dogs who dont know eachother? how about when three other dogs jump into the fight, then some stupid twit tries to break them up and gets bitten four or five times, then sues the restraunt and each of the owners.

Not to mention Id rather not step in a pile of dog doo walking to my table, or have some stranger's dog bothering me the whole time (god knows people cant even keep their kids in line in a restraunt much less an animal)

Plus you have sanitation and clenlyness issues,

all around just a bad idea.

That's a great idea!





FOR ME TO POOP ON!

I understand how you might say it's selfish to have everyone adjust to you standards. But this is has been the "standard" for restaurants since the day they were born and actually the Restaurants should conform to the confines of our service. That is to pay for food, good service, friendly environment etc etc. It's not the other way around. The saying goes "the customer is always right". It's an environment for people, not pets. Restaurants provide a service, I know you can either eat there or not, but they won't see me eating there. Fast-food I really don't care if they have dogs, it's Restuarants in mind.

"Gov. Jeb Bush on Friday signed the so-called "doggie dining" bill, which allows local governments to let restaurants permit dogs to eat with their owners outside."

It's outside. That's right.

It obvious that some of the people here are not dog owners. It looks like the law will let dog owners dine with their dogs OUTSIDE the restaurants. It's not like the dogs will be eating of the other patron's plates. It might be annoying if one is allergic and the dogs are shedding. Another thing you have to remember is that the restaurant owners have the right to refuse service to anyone as they see fit. I guess if they see a person with an unruly dog, they will be asked to leave the same as if it was an unruly child. The bottom line is that not too many dog owners would take their dogs out to eat with them. Most restaurants allow "service" dogs into their restaurants but these are highly trained an obedient. They usually lay at their masters feet and don't wander or beg for food. This is also a pilot program so it might be repealed once the trial period is over.

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quote Originally posted by Blacktree: <voice="jamaican"> HOORAY REDNECKS! </voice>

Mmmmm Redstripe its beer Hooray beer.......I dont get the redneck remark.

The dogs are only allowed at outdoor dining, not inside. And this only gives permission at the state level. Local counties can still ban it, and individual restaurants don't have to allow it either. Given that, I don't see an issue with it. I wouldn't want dogs running around inside the restaurant, and they won't be allowed to do so. That hasn't changed.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: It obvious that some of the people here are not dog owners. It looks like the law will let dog owners dine with their dogs OUTSIDE the restaurants. It's not like the dogs will be eating of the other patron's plates. It might be annoying if one is allergic and the dogs are shedding. Another thing you have to remember is that the restaurant owners have the right to refuse service to anyone as they see fit. I guess if they see a person with an unruly dog, they will be asked to leave the same as if it was an unruly child. The bottom line is that not too many dog owners would take their dogs out to eat with them. Most restaurants allow "service" dogs into their restaurants but these are highly trained an obedient. They usually lay at their masters feet and don't wander or beg for food. This is also a pilot program so it might be repealed once the trial period is over.

I think, by law, that any establishment is required to allow service dogs to enter/remain with their owners (inside *or* outside.) It's a provision of the Americans With Disabilities Act.
My wife trains service dogs. Our dog is trained as a service dog (this was part of Tam's training, as well.)
The service dog is required to be "in jacket" whenever it is working or being trained, in order to identify it as a service dog (so that people won't be tempted to walk up and try to pet it or otherwise disturb it from the task at hand.) It's all very structured and there are strict guidelines. I might add that Tam would never put our dog "in jacket" just so that she could go somewhere that she wouldn't ordinarily be allowed.
(I'll ask her to pop in in correct me if I've misspoken on any points.)

Having said all that, people having dogs outside would be okay with me as long as they are well trained.
Most restaurants that would allow this would advertise and have signs as being "dog friendly", so it would be very easy to bypass those places if you were allergic or just didn't want to have dogs around. Those places are not that common, by the way.
I'm pretty sure that dogs would still be required to be on a leash.

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Phranc: I have an odd sense of humor. Just ignore it, and you'll be fine.

As mentioned above, the law basically just delegates authority to local gov'ts. I see no problem with that. Actually, I'd like to see more authority being shifted further down the chain.

[This message has been edited by Blacktree (edited 06-06-2006).]

You are right.

The ADA does give service dogs, actually service animals, cart blanch as far as where they can go.

A service animal in some cases is that persons arms and legs. When someone with one of these dogs drops something the dog picks it up. Or the dog opens the doors for the person in a wheel chair.

They are not required by law to carry identification cards or Jackets, harnesses, or any other type of Identifying ID.

This does in some cases cause problems.

I have seen a local woman who has trained her own seeing eye dog. Take down a whole rack of merchandise at the local Wal Mart. Obviously the dog was not trained all that well.

But if you don’t like dogs or are allergic to dogs then don’t eat next to one.


Hell my dog Granny got her CGC (Canine Good Citizenship papers when she was 2 years old. That is a great accomplishment for a free thinker like a Great Pyrenees.

That is part way to being a service or therapy dog.

She will sit at the table next to you and never move a muscle. That’s better behaved that most of my friends kids at the table.


Me personally the more people I meet the more I like my dogs.

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[This message has been edited by 84fiero123 (edited 06-06-2006).]

I don't necessarily see this as a bad thing, if the restaurant is a flea trap, then I won't go there. Sounds like empowering folks to make their own decisions. One thing for sure, restaurants survive on the business they serve, if it doesn't go over, it won't last long. If it does and it bothers you, go somewhere else to eat. Ain't America great?

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Better read that again. The law is for eating outside only.
Don

Wow, nothing better to do than to sign a new law to allow dogs to eat with their owners outside... "it's going to be an important thing for a whole lot of people."

Who cares.

quote Originally posted by Tigger: Wow, nothing better to do than to sign a new law to allow dogs to eat with their owners outside... "it's going to be an important thing for a whole lot of people." Who cares.

I was thinking the same thing.
Doesn't Ol'Jeb have anything he should be doing?
If he is that bored maybe he should go walk his dog.

There are a lot of places in Atlanta that allow dogs outside on the patio. My friends and I (dog trainers and dog nuts) will drive quite a long distance to sit outside in beautiful weather, drink beer and have lunch in a place where our dogs can chill out with us. We also often travel long distances to train and/or compete with our dogs and don't want to leave them in strange hotel rooms or hot cars. Horay for dog friendly patios!

Service animals are a completely different category. Federal law allows well-behaved service animals in any public building, business or facility. Any service animal that misbehaves, causes a nuisance or health hazard can be legally asked to leave the premises and should be.

I noticed a lot of people who disagreed with this legislation didn't even know what it allowed. It makes me think a bit more of Baby Bush (not that much more, so don't get too thrilled Raydar!) that he took steps to allow local governments to regulate dog friendly practices in their community. Well behaved dogs are a joy to behold and responsible dog owners are as well. As a responsible dog owner I will speak for all us and say that we clean up after our dogs (no poop left behind) and manage their behavior and cleanliness. Many parents of humans don't do as much....

Hmmm...do I smell TROLL

.....new member...a) calls out Raydar (who has an agility trained dog if I recall).... b) makes witless Bush family comments.... c) seems to be proclaiming a superiority to "parents of humans" ....Hmmmm

Welcome to Pennocks Dawg Runner.....enjoy your short visit....BBTs

What a friendly place!

1. New? Yep.
2. Troll? Haven't been called that recently.
3. Raydar? Married to him.
4. Superior? Making a sad statement of fact.
5. Short visit? If you're representative...you betcha.

quote Originally posted by Dawg Runner: What a friendly place! 1. New? Yep. 2. Troll? Haven't been called that recently. 3. Raydar? Married to him. 4. Superior? Making a sad statement of fact. 5. Short visit? If you're representative...you betcha.

Ouch!

Not sure if he's allowed outside the restaurants

quote BigBoyToys said: Mmm... my foot tastes yummy. BBTs

That's more like it.

Dawg Runner, I'd like to mention that dorks like this guy are NOT the norm here. Welcome to the forum!

quote Originally posted by Dawg Runner: What a friendly place! 1. New? Yep. 2. Troll? Haven't been called that recently. 3. Raydar? Married to him. 4. Superior? Making a sad statement of fact. 5. Short visit? If you're representative...you betcha.

Well then I would gladly apoligize if I offened an actual and potentially new, positive contrubutor to the Pennock's membership!
I would like to offer up a fyi, as an explaination to my query and jump to presumption....you see (or may be aware) there have been a few now former members that have been asked to leave...some have consistantly attempted to rejoin simply to troll thier adjenda wether it be to enflame a topic or simply flame certian members....some have even gone so far as to hack this sight, harass Cliff the primary provider/contributor and have gone so far as to start a rival sight primarily to bash this community.

I tend to stay on topic or not respond at all to much of the mayhem (ie my post count vs yrs of membership) so I would again apoligize if I upset you with my query / false observation, as I do to the thread originator fierogtowner for any distraction I may have caused to the topic he brought to our attention.

So on topic I am not typically for more government..so if this was them repealing or correcting a current statute against such activity then I would be ok with this...but just to add another to the books...why? And as stated the issue is outside dinning areas...so, just as if I felt an establishment was not clean or safe or to noisy or not noisy enough, to hot or to cold....I would leave. Typically when ever I arrive at a food establishment to dine I will visit the restroom to clean up...if it has obviously not been attended to... I will simply move our dining elsewhere.

I am a pet lover, and I have always had a dog...and yes we have it all, the smell of dogs, fur debris, a butt sniffing, dicklickin mutt watching us make/having our dinner. Any people food he get goes into his dish only after we have finished...so no begging or whining. So just for the record I have no problem eating with the dogs. I do recognize that not all folks are pet savy or are experienced with cohabitating around pets; and, as such when I'm in the puplic domain with my pet accept it is me the owner who is responsible to ensure all parties are comfortable and secure within reason. My past dogs where tri-colored male Aussies and when walking the dog people would greet us with a smile and often refer to him as a her (cute effect of tri colors)...now I have a male Rotti and when walking this dog people do not greet us or if they do it is from a distance....and even though my dogs are/were very well trained and behaved and never aggressive unless terribly offended, people reactions often have been predetermined by the poor actions of the few.

Peace BBTs

quote Originally posted by BigBoyToys: Well then I would gladly apoligize if I offened an actual and potentially new, positive contrubutor to the Pennock's membership!

Yes, DawgRunner is an actual living, breathing, in-the-flesh, new member.
She is the one who trains the agility dog (that I wake up next to, half the time, with her head on Tam's pillow. )

She is not offended by being referred to as a troll. (She actually laughed.)
She is a science instructor (she's waaaay smarter than me) and has probably been called a troll at least once by 10:00 AM on any given day.

As for her political leanings... Suffice it to say that I guess I'll keep her, anyway.

Thanks.

Back to the topic at hand.

[This message has been edited by Raydar (edited 06-07-2006).]

Aw heck let the dogs do whatever. If i don't like the dogs or the people I'll just find somewhere else to eat.

quote Originally posted by Dawg Runner: What a friendly place! 1. New? Yep. 2. Troll? Haven't been called that recently. 3. Raydar? Married to him. 4. Superior? Making a sad statement of fact. 5. Short visit? If you're representative...you betcha.

1. Welcome!
2. Troll? That was an off the wall comment!
3. Raydar? My condolences...
4. Superior? I thought all women were anyway...
5. Short visit? Just like mushrooms on your salad... just pick him off and flick him on the floor- the salad will taste fine. Besides, The entree is worth the price!

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We have to tolerate illegal immigrants coming across our border, now we are told to tolerate dogs while eating in a restaurant.
Whats next?

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quote Originally posted by Frace: We have to tolerate illegal immigrants coming across our border, now we are told to tolerate dogs while eating in a restaurant. Whats next?

Anarchy. Book burning. Solar Eclipse. Microwaveable Metal. Social Collapse. Cats lying down with dogs...oh, wait. Thats another thread.

quote Originally posted by Dawg Runner: Anarchy. Book burning. Solar Eclipse. Microwaveable Metal. Social Collapse. Cats lying down with dogs...oh, wait. Thats another thread.

You forgot the comet.

quote Originally posted by fierogtowner: http://tinyurl.com/khkra What the hell is this man thinking (Jeb Bush)? The last thing I want when I'm eating at a restaurant is noticing a Dog near me. This seems unsanitary, fur debris everywhere, possible eating off humans plates, other dogs sniffing butts and what not, smell of dogs. I hope the restaurants laugh at this monstrosity. I like dogs but the places we eat in my opinion, should not have freakin dogs in them. Also, some people are allergic to dog hair.

Not that bad an Idea, actually-------the last thing I want whaen I'm eating in a restaraunt is somebody bothering me.
the dog will see to that, which is an intervention step between me, and my shoving a salad fork into some iddiots kidneys.

Dogs are neat animals, as are horses.......they have a natural sense for weeding the good from the bad, regardless of human opinion. I'll trust a dog or a horse looonnng before I'l trust a man.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by under8ted:

.......an intervention step between me, and my shoving a salad fork into some iddiots kidneys.

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Remind me to watch out for you next time we're eating out in Canada!