After 2 hours and 45 minutes on acid the best looking work comes out. I like to do Saliva before I come up with ideas for photos, its legal and I get some ideas that are at times so incredible that I cant even do them justice after the effects wear off.
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fierogtowner Member
Posts: 1610 From: Tampa, Florida, United States of America Registered: Aug 2005
Very legal... for now... till the man takes that away too Its a mild hallucinogen, I use it to lucid dream too. Though Im sure I didnt spell it right... You can do a search in the O/T we had a thread about it some time in 05.
Thanks I might buy some Saliva if it's legal here, and I'm a drug free kind of person maybe the occassional cigs but other than that nothing else.
It is legal... but no mistake it is a drug. You can smoke it like a cig or pot, and that method works good for a mild high, but if you want to hallucinate id suggest the liquid extract, you mix it with water and hold it under your tongue. It lasts about 30 - 45 min.
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Telegram Sam Member
Posts: 231 From: Carmel-by-the-Sea, California Registered: Apr 2006
Thanks I might buy some Saliva if it's legal here, and I'm a drug free kind of person maybe the occassional cigs but other than that nothing else.
If you are a drug free person because of legality issues, then Salvia is the WRONG gateway drug for you. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. It's wayyyyy too intense for a novice, and I'm sure you don't have any druggy friends that you can trust to co-pilot you. Or maybe I just did it really well, because I wound up giving the stuff I had away. I didn't like it.
Just keep saying no.
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fierogtowner Member
Posts: 1610 From: Tampa, Florida, United States of America Registered: Aug 2005
Well that's important. If you are going to mess with hallucinates, have people there who are going to actually watch you and not get too into their own high that they let you freak out, but not be on you so hard that you start getting paranoid. Anyway, weird discussion for me to be having with you on a Fiero board. Check out erowid.com for more info about all "that kind of stuff".
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ryan.hess Member
Posts: 20784 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Dec 2002
If you are a drug free person because of legality issues, then Salvia is the WRONG gateway drug for you. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. It's wayyyyy too intense for a novice, and I'm sure you don't have any druggy friends that you can trust to co-pilot you. Or maybe I just did it really well, because I wound up giving the stuff I had away. I didn't like it.
Just keep saying no.
Ive dropped acid (if you couldnt tell) and shrooms and Salvia is really really week comparitvly speaking, the hallsunations were stronger then shrooms but the effect lasted only a few min, and acid well need I say more... how did you do it? If you smoked it, its possible someone gave you 20X and i hear that stuff is pretty strong... or perhaps someone laced it with LSD.
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fierogtowner Member
Posts: 1610 From: Tampa, Florida, United States of America Registered: Aug 2005
Well, I've consumed shrooms before that you can get from your local cow pasture, and the ones we found were Blue Meanies, very very potent hallucigen. I felt kinda wierd but I wanted to see imaginary objects!!!! So what a waste of time!!!
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dezie36 Member
Posts: 2501 From: Moved to Okemos, Mi, USA Registered: Feb 2005
Well, I've consumed shrooms before that you can get from your local cow pasture, and the ones we found were Blue Meanies, very very potent hallucigen. I felt kinda wierd but I wanted to see imaginary objects!!!! So what a waste of time!!!
LOL acid or Salvia would be what you want if you want to visit another world... but acid is very very strong and I highly suggest that if you are not in tune with your self, your surroundings, and if you aren’t emotionally steady you could very possibly have a bad trip, and believe me you do NOT want that.
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Telegram Sam Member
Posts: 231 From: Carmel-by-the-Sea, California Registered: Apr 2006
Yeah, it was an solid extract. I don't remember if it was 10x or 20x, but knowing me it was probably the strongest they had. If you're going to go, go big.
Edit Dezie, nobody gave it to me. I bought it from the shop myself and flew solo. Maybe that's another reason why it wasn't so pleasurable for me. But always know your supplier, kids. Those apples have razor blades in em!
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Its very rare I will tell a person not to do a perticular drug but this is one of them times. Please for the love of god don't try it. And if you use it please please stop. This stuff is bad news.
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ryan.hess Member
Posts: 20784 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Dec 2002
Its very rare I will tell a person not to do a perticular drug but this is one of them times. Please for the love of god don't try it. And if you use it please please stop. This stuff is bad news.
And for what reason? I’ve used it a lot... like over 100 times, I have yet to see any adverse effects from it.
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Wichita Member
Posts: 20658 From: Wichita, Kansas Registered: Jun 2002
Its very rare I will tell a person not to do a perticular drug but this is one of them times. Please for the love of god don't try it. And if you use it please please stop. This stuff is bad news.
Why?
I will admit, it is INCREDIBLY potent. This is not your "hey duuuude, lets chill out and smoke some foobar..." type of thing. This is some HEAVY STUFF.
But I haven't heard of any "bad" effects from it (that it's toxic or that it causes you to have any flashbacks or anything) I just can't place it in the same class as Heroin or Cocaine or Ecstasy...(never tried them, never want to)
I grew a Salvia plant and tried it a few times. Very nice. Soothing and "melty". I tried one of the MUCH-O concentrated preparations and woaaaa! Talk about a complete and total split from reality!
It was like someone from outside popped the balloon that was my reality, and EVERYTHINg started converging on this one spot...
It was VERY VERY VERY hard for me to "let go". normally, I'd jump into it and let the chemical take me for a ride, but this stuff...my brain struggled very very hard to keep a grip w/reality. it was almost painful...but once I accepted it and collapsed into the multicolored black hole in the middle of the room, all was well.
woaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
then.... *blooomp!* reality returned. The amazing thig is how quickly you recover from it. Haven't touched it in a looooong time, just haven't felt the need. Deziem you took it over 100 times?!?!? Daaaang!
Life, libery and the pursuit of happiness. That last part seems to be harder and harder to do nowerdays.
Well, I've consumed shrooms before that you can get from your local cow pasture, and the ones we found were Blue Meanies, very very potent hallucigen. I felt kinda wierd but I wanted to see imaginary objects!!!! So what a waste of time!!!
If it felt 'kinda weird' then either they were the wrong ones, or you didn't do enough. If you took like, half a gram, don't expect big things.. Take 3-5.. NOt that I should be talking, I've never seen marshmallows bouncing down the street to big band music, but it's definately enough so you don't really know what the hell is going on (well, you do, i shouldn't say that) and nothing is as it seems and you wake up the next day going "Wtf just happened.. Dude wheres my car".. Unfortunately I can't do them anymore becuase everytime I do I open some weird depressed gateway to hell, and let me tell you, it's bunk..
I'll keep this simple. Just because you have not heard of any adverse effects from a drug that is relitivly new to mass useage doesn't mean there are not any. Just because the incredibly slow beurocracy that is government has not made this drug illegal yet does not mean it is safe. The compond in the plant that gets you "high" does so by joining with the same receptors that opiates (opium, heroin, morphine) do. These receptors have great power in causing addiction. Now for the "high" itself. Any drug that causes you to hallucinate is very powerful. This drug basicly overlaods the neurons and the brain drowns in chemicals trying to flushy out the salvia. Your poisioning your brain to a point where it wants to release all the stored chemicals it has. This ia very dameging. The brain is a very delicate organ and ths drug is brutal on it. The dangers physicly are much like that of heroin; seizures, vomiting then choking on it, this is not a soft or safe drug.
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ryan.hess Member
Posts: 20784 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Dec 2002
Originally posted by Phranc: The compond in the plant that gets you "high" does so by joining with the same receptors that opiates (opium, heroin, morphine) do. These receptors have great power in causing addiction.
To the contrary, it can help people get OVER their addictions:
"Both scientific and anecdotal user evidence indicates that chemical constituents of Salvia may have potential as therapy for drug addictions to dangerous stimulants (i.e. amphetamines) and opiates. Research has shown that the plant contains neoclerodane diterpenes that have therapeutic potential for helping people who have drug abuse problems. The neoclerodane diterpenes in Salvia are k-Opioid agonists. k-Opiod agonists, according to Tidgewell et al, (AAPS Journal), "possess utility in the treatment of opioid dependence and have been shown to have anti-depressant activity as well as block stress-induced behavior responses."
Most users report no hangover or negative after-effects the next day. This is consistent with the apparent low toxicity of Salvia indicated by research conducted at the University of Nebraska."
Originally posted by Phranc: The compond in the plant that gets you "high" does so by joining with the same receptors that opiates (opium, heroin, morphine) do. These receptors have great power in causing addiction.
I’m going to call BS on that! Prove it! Right now cause i know its a lie... I haven’t done salvia in over 6 months and I have never felt any withdrawal symptoms.
Speaking of hallucinagens, has anyone else ever tripped out on dramamine, talk about a strange trip. If you take 15-20 pills you'll start picking up things to then have them dissapear in your hands, and then your best friend will walk into the room and talk to you and then fade away. It is a fun time if your doing it with others, and for that matter alone. But be weary about doing it before bed, there is no way you are going to sleep on this trip.
I tried Salvia at a friends house. He was very good to warn me to sit down before I smoked it.
It was a VERY INTENSE 10 minute trip. The TV was pulling me into a soap opera, but the physical feeling was that the skin on the right side of my body was being pulled across the left side of my body. It was as if I was being turned inside out. Then my skin wrapped itself around a doorframe on the way to the TV.
It felt very dirty. It was not an enjoyable buzz for me, but it took me several days to decide that. When I first came down I was not sure if I enjoyed the buzz or not.
If you do Salvia have a sober person to watch you, just to be sure. (this is good advice anytime you are going to trip on anything) And make sure you are sitting down before you try it. If you do not, you WILL be on the floor in moments, and likely get hurt.
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flames4me Member
Posts: 915 From: Woodbury MN / Hammond WI Registered: Jun 2005
I tried Salvia at a friends house. He was very good to warn me to sit down before I smoked it.
It was a VERY INTENSE 10 minute trip. The TV was pulling me into a soap opera, but the physical feeling was that the skin on the right side of my body was being pulled across the left side of my body. It was as if I was being turned inside out. Then my skin wrapped itself around a doorframe on the way to the TV.
It felt very dirty. It was not an enjoyable buzz for me, but it took me several days to decide that. When I first came down I was not sure if I enjoyed the buzz or not.
If you do Salvia have a sober person to watch you, just to be sure. (this is good advice anytime you are going to trip on anything) And make sure you are sitting down before you try it. If you do not, you WILL be on the floor in moments, and likely get hurt.
It was a VERY INTENSE 10 minute trip....the physical feeling was that the skin on the right side of my body was being pulled across the left side of my body. It was as if I was being turned inside out. Then my skin wrapped itself around a doorframe on the way to the TV. .
Heh, been there, felt that.
Talk about "woaaaaaaa"
yes, sitting is an essential thing. also, make sure there are no candles or other dangerous stuff around.
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I tried one of the MUCH-O concentrated preparations and woaaaa! Talk about a complete and total split from reality! 
