quote Originally posted by Raydar: Libertarian by philosophy. Republican as a matter of practicality (at least last time.) I'm fiscally conservative but socially liberal. I don't much care who you sleep with as long as you don't do it on my dime.

I am a Fiscal and Social Conservative by philosophy Republican as a matter of practicality (The platform more closely matches my worldview).

I don't much care who you sleep with as long as you don't push it in my face, or, my children's. Both sides of story:

The "gay" side
The family side

EDIT: I own page 2!

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And I own the thread! Ya, what! lol.

It's very narrowminded to assume there are only two schools of thought.

Besides, the two in question here are beginning to resemble each other more and more. It's better to have core principles and vote as they dictate.

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Well, then why do a lot of people say they'd like Clinton relected and now Bush's approval rating is 32% and no one like's the way he handles things.

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quote Originally posted by fierogtowner: Well, then why do a lot of people say they'd like Clinton relected and now Bush's approval rating is 32% and no one like's the way he handles things.

Clinton was a smoothtalker and he was cool, Bush is a bumbling idiot. I swear his IQ has dropped these 5 years.

I agree with Raydar, I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal at heart, I could care less about what you do as long as it doesn't harm me. Want to have teh buttsecks? Fine, go do it in your bedroom like everyone else, I don't want to see it while I'm eating dinner. Bush is a retard though, he's fiscally LIBERAL (spends like there's no tomorrow) and socially conservative, the exact opposite of me and my ideals.

I'm also REALLY against fanatics like these:
http://www.wimp.com/religious/
That's about as far right as one can get, she's a nut. She even makes Faux News' Hannity and Colmes look middle of the road.

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quote Originally posted by Tinton: I could care less

I'm curious, then, why don't you?

quote Originally posted by fierobear: I'm curious, then, why don't you?

I don't. As I said, you want to marry your male friend, go ahead.

quote Originally posted by Tinton: I don't. As I said, you want to marry your male friend, go ahead.

Its "I couldn't care less" - "Couldn't", as in, you care so little, that you couldn't possibly care any less.

Ummmm... Theres really no difference between the two parties. They both are slimey, nasty, dirty pigs ultimatly sharing the same goal.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Ummmm... Theres really no difference between the two parties. They both are slimey, nasty, dirty pigs ultimatly sharing the same goal.

Yup. They're both out to get YOU, Bill!

registered independent. i vote by issue, sometimes dem, sumetimes rep.
if the candidates are unclear or indistinguishable, i default to "out with the old crooks, in with the new".

Im not either.......maybe could be shoehorned into one of the others. I just vote for the people and things I agree with...not whos side im labeled with.

Most of my family are registered democrats, as I am too. They always vote dem or indep.

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quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: Democrat/Libertarian

WTF? I almost blew my coffee on the computer screen with that one! haha How the hell is there even a remote connection here? Or was this a joke and I missed it!

I am Libertarian forced to vote Republican to keep Democrats out of office.

The two party system (and yes it is) has done a great job at painting the Libertarians as nut cases. The Libertarians have not helped by putting fruitcakes up for nomination either. The Libertarian platform is the closest thing out there to the principals by which this country was founded. The entire power structure that the two parties fight for would not exist with a Libertarian government.
I really don't think people have a clue as to what it is about!

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I would have to say that I'm definitely fiscally conservative, and my lifestyle reflects a socially conservative one as well, however I'm not for sure that the government should try to regulate morals.

I don't know that W is necessarily the best person to be in that office, even though I voted to put him there, however, what were our alternatives this time around? Kerry? You have GOT to be kidding me. A bumbling Idiot W may seem to be, but at least he's straightforward about it.

With that said, I am a registered Republican, although that's really just a label. My philosophies are probably more Libertarian. In fact, it may be the very definitition of Libertarian: "Let every person be free to do as they choose, so long as it does not interfere with another person's right to do the same."

Socially liberal, fiscally conservative. Overall kind of an anarchist.

Ring.... ring.... Hello kettle this is pot. Your black!

Click!

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: WTF? I almost blew my coffee on the computer screen with that one! haha How the hell is there even a remote connection here? Or was this a joke and I missed it! I am Libertarian forced to vote Republican to keep Democrats out of office.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Ring.... ring.... Hello kettle this is pot. Your black! Click!

Just so we are all clear here, are you telling me you do not think there is a difference between the Republican and the Democrat parties? We can go on from there if we must but I am not sure there would be any point.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: WTF? I almost blew my coffee on the computer screen with that one! haha How the hell is there even a remote connection here? Or was this a joke and I missed it! I am Libertarian forced to vote Republican to keep Democrats out of office.

Ditto that. If Conn ever actually visited a Libertarian website I think he'd change his affiliation in a heartbeat. I actually read Ron Paul's column avery week. Great stuff.

I am registered a democrat, and tend to vote democrat. However, I also cannot believe how inept the party can be at times (well, that actually goes for both parties) and I do not just vote party lines. For example, I didn't vote for Bush either time, but I probably would have voted for John McCain had he won the 2000 nomination.

So lets see. One party steals your money (democrats) and the other spends it (republicans).

Yeah.. Please by all means explain me all the difference between a burgalar and his fence.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: Just so we are all clear here, are you telling me you do not think there is a difference between the Republican and the Democrat parties? We can go on from there if we must but I am not sure there would be any point.

quote Originally posted by fierogtowner: Well, then why do a lot of people say they'd like Clinton relected and now Bush's approval rating is 32% and no one like's the way he handles things.

You sound foolish when you try to bolster an argument with unprovable generalities.

As far as Bush's approval rating, he's earned it. And, Congress is even lower.

quote 84Bill said: Yeah.. Please by all means explain me all the difference between a burgalar and his fence.

Good one!

It seems both parties share the same goal of a federally-run nanny-state. They just go about it different ways. And they disagree on how the nanny-state should be run. For all intents and purposes, we have a dominant-party system.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: So lets see. One party steals your money (democrats) and the other spends it (republicans). Yeah.. Please by all means explain me all the difference between a burgalar and his fence.

Ooookay? I will take that as a no. I believe that it is better to have only one foot in dog poop rather than jump in with both feet up to my knees. Yup, I am picking what I see as the lesser of two evils.
One can only hope (I am not one to pray) that we can have some real political changes come about in our lifetimes or at least in our children's lifetime. I hope it will be in the form of a libertarian government, for the people, OUR PEOPLE!

Republicans piss me off.

Democrats have downright disgusted me.

Now theres the ultimate in flawed thinking. Evil is evil regardless of the degree so by picking the lesser evil you still end up with evil. I realize this doesn't make much sense but believe me, it's true.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: Ooookay? I will take that as a no. I believe that it is better to have only one foot in dog poop rather than jump in with both feet up to my knees. Yup, I am picking what I see as the lesser of two evils. One can only hope (I am not one to pray) that we can have some real political changes come about in our lifetimes or at least in our children's lifetime. I hope it will be in the form of a libertarian government, for the people, OUR PEOPLE! Republicans piss me off. Democrats have downright disgusted me.

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Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains. -Sir Winston Churchill.

Politics are very much like war. We may even have to use poison gas at times .-Sir Winston Churchill.

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quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Now theres the ultimate in flawed thinking. Evil is evil regardless of the degree so by picking the lesser evil you still end up with evil. I realize this doesn't make much sense but believe me, it's true.

Politicians are flawed because humans are flawed. Are there any perfect people? If the answer is no, then there are no perfect politicians (or candidates for office).

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Now theres the ultimate in flawed thinking. Evil is evil regardless of the degree so by picking the lesser evil you still end up with evil. I realize this doesn't make much sense but believe me, it's true.

Flawed thinking? I think not! What it is a difficult choice intelligent adults have to make every frickin day of there lives! Doing anything less or nothing at all is not only stupid but is a total relinquishing of what little control you still have left to effect the quality of your life, fellow man/women's life and your family in any sort of positive way!

I will always pick the lesser of two evils, or let's say wrongs or even bad things. It is simple math. Evil is evil, so what, what's new about that!

Ummkay.. so voting for evil is ok in your eyes? Sorry but as a responsible "adult" I have FAR more integrity than that.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: Flawed thinking? I think not! What it is a difficult choice intelligent adults have to make every frickin day of there lives! Doing anything less or nothing at all is not only stupid but is a total relinquishing of what little control you still have left to effect the quality of your life, fellow man/women's life and your family in any sort of positive way!

quote I will always pick the lesser of two evils, or let's say wrongs or even bad things. It is simple math. Evil is evil, so what, what's new about that!

In that case Sir, YOU are the evil that seeks to destroy this country. YOU voted this evil into office and I hold you equally responsible for what heppens when YOUR representitives screw this country up.

There is an alternative and you need to find it if that is truely what you seek.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: WTF? I almost blew my coffee on the computer screen with that one! haha How the hell is there even a remote connection here? Or was this a joke and I missed it! I am Libertarian forced to vote Republican to keep Democrats out of office. The two party system (and yes it is) has done a great job at painting the Libertarians as nut cases. The Libertarians have not helped by putting fruitcakes up for nomination either. The Libertarian platform is the closest thing out there to the principals by which this country was founded. The entire power structure that the two parties fight for would not exist with a Libertarian government. I really don't think people have a clue as to what it is about!

Clarification. I am NOW a registered Democrat. Pushed there because of my disgust for the current Republican messes. I mentioned Libertarian, not because I am registered as one but because I agree with their core principle of "Government out of people's lives". Contrary to what you may think, it is perfectly legitimate to both be a Democrat and not agree with the Nanny mentality that sometimes shows it's head on the far flung liberal left. I for instance don't like overly restrictive gun laws, drug laws, reproductive laws, and parenting laws which all also happen to coincide with the Libertarian core view . I don't like many of the nutcase Libertarian views, but I believe the core is correct on many issues. Democrats happen to be for a liberal privacy policy, drug policy, reproductive rights, yet are tetering on gun laws and parenting laws. So although I am a Democrat, I am trying to move the Democratic party towards a more hands off approach on certain issues.

quote fierobear said: Politicians are flawed because humans are flawed. Are there any perfect people? If the answer is no, then there are no perfect politicians (or candidates for office).

I understand that nobody is perfect. And I'm not expecting perfect people to run for office. That would be just a bit unrealistic.

But it WOULD be nice to see a candidate with more integrity and morality than a crack whore. Is that too much to ask?

quote Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: Clarification. I am NOW a registered Democrat. Pushed there because of my disgust for the current Republican messes. I mentioned Libertarian, not because I am registered as one but because I agree with their core principle of "Government out of people's lives". Contrary to what you may think, it is perfectly legitimate to both be a Democrat and not agree with the Nanny mentality that sometimes shows it's head on the far flung liberal left. I for instance don't like overly restrictive gun laws, drug laws, reproductive laws, and parenting laws which all also happen to coincide with the Libertarian core view . I don't like many of the nutcase Libertarian views, but I believe the core is correct on many issues. Democrats happen to be for a liberal privacy policy, drug policy, reproductive rights, yet are tetering on gun laws and parenting laws. So although I am a Democrat, I am trying to move the Democratic party towards a more hands off approach on certain issues.

Well,,That was actually a pretty good response! Unlike some other posts by the person that can't seem to get a grip on the harsh realities of the world. Ya,, I'm evil hah maybe the 7up of evil hehehe

We all try and fit in where we feel comfortable and side with groups that at least share a majority of our values and either overlook what we do not like or try and make changes. This IS choosing the lesser of two evils.

I think the Libertarian core issues are much less restrictive than you have portrayed though and much of the functions of government as we know it today would not exist. There would be an end to most all social programs and we would rarely find ourselves at war (real war) because we would be back to a constitutional army only, and correct me if I am wrong but most all drug laws would be thrown out the window! I would pretty much be free do pursue my happiness as long as it did not infringe on your rights to do so! and I also would not be responsible for others mistakes and bad choices they may have made. This is of course to harsh for most people. sheesh!

I feel that as far as the political parties that are in place today go that the Democrats, which are for better or worse mainly associated with the extreme liberal left are pretty much as far away from the libertarians as you can go! that is why I thought it was so funny :-) The same kind of stereo type is placed on Republicans as to the association with the religious right. This is of course due to the pandering both parties have done to the far field to get elected.

Speeking of grip. Can you come to grips with the fact that you are responsible for the sad state of affairs this country is in due to a republican majority run government? I mean you are the genius who voted for the idiots I didn't. Can't blame any of this crap on me.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: Well,,That was actually a pretty good response! Unlike some other posts by the person that can't seem to get a grip on the harsh realities of the world. Ya,, I'm evil hah maybe the 7up of evil hehehe

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Can't blame any of this crap on me.

Record Economic Growth
Record Low Unemployment
50,000,000 freed slaves in the middle east
Saddam Hussein on trial in Iraq
etc
etc
etc.

Whew, I'm glad we can't blame this "crap" on you.

If thats all you can come up with Tard, it's kinda sad.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Record Economic Growth Record Low Unemployment 50,000,000 freed slaves in the middle east Saddam Hussein on trial in Iraq etc etc etc. Whew, I'm glad we can't blame this "crap" on you.

quote Originally posted by fierogtowner: So the Iraq war was bound to occur if Gore was elected back in 2001?

(sorry, I've been away from O/T for a while)
Gore would not have walked into war like that, but something else would have increased our deficit spending. Democrats are just as good at that as Republicans, if not better.

I almost guarantee the next election in 2008 will be a democrat in office and just watch how smooth things will go for our economy, no uselss unaccomplished wars, lower gas prices, and I would say fix the deficit but Bush pretty much keeps spending money, so he's accomplished ****ing up that part. Oh and did I mention Bush is probably the worst President EVER, in my opinion he IS the worst and hate his smirk and laugh and how he handles things no exit strategy and there was never any mission accomplished so he lied again, but that's Bush so it doesn't surprise me.

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