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Matrix............huh????????? by rogergarrison
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Report this Post12-12-2004 06:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonDirect Link to This Post
Ok I know lots of you like the Matrix series. I found them all boring as hell. Just a bunch of slow motion karati stuff to me while wearing a trenchcoat. That aside, I see there selling a DVD set with all the movies AND plus 35 hours !!!!!!!!! of extras.........Pal........eeeeeeezzzzz! Can anyone take that much really ? Whats next now -all 135 episodes of Friday the 13th.........
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hahaha. I was thinking the EXACT same thing when they showed all those DVD's. I was like who in their right mind wants 35 hours of bonus features?

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Originally posted by ace35:
I was like who in their right mind wants 35 hours of bonus features?

Everyone who took the BLUE pill........................

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Report this Post12-12-2004 06:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for DjDragginSend a Private Message to DjDragginDirect Link to This Post
damn and I took the red one.. no wonder nothing happened!!! Musta been a over sea manufacturer's pill...
Yah 35 hours of bonus is a lil much!!!!!! you sure its not 3? maybe 5?? WOW!!!

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35 HOURS?!?

Maybe they just slowed down the 3 moooooovies even moooooooore?
I liked the first one. The second and third left me a bit cold.

The "love" scene in the second one was just BAAD. and tooo long. The "fight 5 million smiths" fight was alos too long, and just funny. like when Yoda got all "ping ping PING! richochet rabbit" on that guy in the second SW movie...


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Report this Post12-12-2004 07:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Ken WittliefSend a Private Message to Ken WittliefDirect Link to This Post
the two brothers that made the matrix series

one needs the money for his sex change operation

they get paid by the number of DVDs sold

come on, buy the set - its for a good cause!

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Report this Post12-12-2004 07:22 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Falcon FieroSend a Private Message to Falcon FieroDirect Link to This Post
Ever notice "Neo" rearranged spells "One?"

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Report this Post12-12-2004 08:06 PM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneDirect Link to This Post
Or eon which is what 35 hrs of that would be.
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I liked the first one.

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I liked the movies a lot, though I thought the second dragged pretty badly toward the end. Matrix is one of those phenomena that one either gets, or doesn't. It definitely isn't mass-produced pap like so much of the schlock that comes out of hollywood nowadays. I'd be willing to bet that Matrix wasn't run past any test audiences first.

The only think keeping me from buying the big set now is that I don't have $60 just laying around to spend on it.

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Originally posted by FieroRumor:

The "love" scene in the second one was just BAAD. and tooo long.

And the whole underground "Dance Scene" in the third one, I think.
("Look mommy, humanity will go on, and it shows in their dope moves!")

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Originally posted by JazzMan:

I liked the movies a lot, though I thought the second dragged pretty badly toward the end. Matrix is one of those phenomena that one either gets, or doesn't. It definitely isn't mass-produced pap like so much of the schlock that comes out of hollywood nowadays. I'd be willing to bet that Matrix wasn't run past any test audiences first.
JazzMan

The first movie isn't the problem to me. (Spoilers ahead.) It was well done, with a great story/concept, inventive action, and cutting edge ideas.

The second one was less good, but still a decent movie. It set up the trilogy and worked nicely as a Part Two. The problem was the Architect. It was as if the Wachowskis were trying to see how many important $5 words they could cram into the Architect's dialog, "ergo" making him sound more sophisticated. The freeway scene was great, except that they passed the same exit ramp about 50 times, and literally every vehicle was a GM product. (Well, maybe the Machines were originally Pontiac Fieros. )

The third movie was the pointless one. I had a lot of expectations. What I did I get? An "oracle" who is trying to hide by "adjusting her appearance." I know the original actress passed away before the last movie was shot, but I say write the part away or make the oracle a totally different looking character in a totally different location. (I can see the agents rolling up to her apartment - since it is the same as before - and saying "be on the look out for a 50-ish black woman in an apron and smoking cigarettes.) I liked the new characters, though, but I REALLY hated some of the plot ideas.

Maybe someone can explain them to me.

1) Why did Trinity die? Didn't Neo goes through all that trouble to save her in Part 2? He chose the door to save her instead of the "feedback loop" door to save humanity (which would reset the simulation and repeat the results, "ergo" multiple Neos.) So he saved her only to have her get run through during the hovercraft crash? This was a pointless waste of the best character in the movies. (Seriously, why was she killed off again?)

2) Why did Neo lose his eyesite? That was another pointless thing. It had already been established that what they were trying to do was all but impossible. I felt like the Wachowskis were hamfisting the subtlety they did so well at in part 1.

3) Why didn't the trilogy end with an ENDING? The machines "agree" not to come to zion, and agree to release anyone from the matrix who "realizes" they are there. But the machines still exist, they still have numerical superiority, and Neo is dead, and there won't be a new Neo (I assume) since no one will need to be a superman in the matrix anymore, since they can just be safely unplugged now, etc. I really feel like this is the worst ending possible. How about Neo destroys Smith (who I'd bet got an inflated part since everyone liked him in the first one), and then takes out the matrix, making all the plugged in people simultaneously rebel against their machine overlords? The people win, the people dance again, etc. I don't need a sappy happy ending, but at least give the story (that we have invested time into) closure. Any writer can tell you that.

4) Why didn't the Wachowskis flesh out the French-guy's part? (I forget his name.) I was intriqued by that storyline. His wife wanted to kiss Neo, and I presumed that perhaps the french guy and her were the former Neo and Trinity. That would have made sense, given both characters the role of Soothsayers (or examples of what not to do) because they failed and were transformed into programs or whatever. (something.) But in the third movie, they barely are mentioned.

5) Agent Smith was cool in the first movie, but I really think they overdid it. His virus-like ability in the sequals brought irony to his speech to Morpheus in part 1 ("Human kind is a virus"), so I liked that. But then he becomes this Anti-Neo who ends up mutually destroying Neo. *shrug* I guess conflict should have resolution, not complete destruction.

6) Finally, I wonder about the people in Zion. Sure they get to continue living, but at what cost? No way would they trust the machines, so they would probably rebuild their defenses. Would the machines honor their side of the "agreement?" Maybe this just reinserts the story back into the feedback loop, and it doesn't matter what door Neo picked. I certainly missed the point there.

I would have built the third movie upon the premise that Neo was able to stop the machines while in "the real world." I would establish that Neo's powers transferred over into the real world from the matrix, making him realize that the real world was really just a second layer of security. They are all still enslaved, they just think they are fee. (Outside the cells, but inside the walls the whole time.) THAT would have been an interesting angle, and then I wouldn't have minded a cliffhanger (part 1-type ending to the trilogy, because we can either assume at that point that Neo will eventually go on to really free everyone, or that they'll just make another pretentious trilogy showing how it's done. Either way, I would have signed on for another three movies in the theaters, instead of now pretending 2 & 3 never existed. I'll just add them to the Never-Happened Pile along with Highlander 2 and Star Trek: Enterprise.

For sci-fi movies, the first one was an instant classic. I'm not debating it. The 2nd was a typical sequal: it tried bigger and better while sacrificing some of the soul of the first. The third fumbled the ball.

Just my opinion. And no, I won't be buying the 350 disc Matrix set.

Edited to fix the smiley, and add this new one, which is fitting for my long post...

- Flamberge

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Originally posted by Flamberge:


I'll just add 2 & 3 to the Never-Happened Pile along with Highlander 2 and Star Trek: Enterprise.

- Flamberge

Bingo.

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toot ired ot go into depth, but There is a LOT of symbolism in thse movies...

him losing his eyesight is a common thing in many myths.

close your eyes..feel the force guide you...

he didn't need "eyes" to perceive. Eyes are only one way to "view" the world... in The Matrix, Neo was "blind" for most of his life, then he was given sight, then it was removed again... and most of the time, people are "jacked in" and aren't
REALLY using their eyes...

Trinity. Morpheus, the oracle, smith anderson. That little girl. The ship names. a lot of other names are significant... The MEROVINGIAN and his wife,PERSEPHONE . that subplot was verrry understated. Do a search for that guy..it's a story onto itself...

The bald dude in the first one was "Ronald Reagan"!

"I want to be someone famous..maybe President..and I don't want to remember ANYTHING!!!! "ok, Mr. Reagan..."


Smith was best in the first one...
Neo stopping the squiddies in the second one did not really get explained well.

Neo not recognizing him in the third was just retarded...


Trinity dying was essential.
Neo died in the first, she died in the second. both were living on "borrowed time". Their love sustained them both.
Stupid, though. At least she was able to see the sun.

I enjoyed the movies but felt a little dissapointed.

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Bingo.

And Alien 3 (although, the newer version IS a lot better, (the version where the alien comes out of a bull)

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Report this Post12-13-2004 01:17 AM Click Here to See the Profile for BoondawgSend a Private Message to BoondawgDirect Link to This Post
A customer (a babtist preacher) at work told me all 3 movies were BIBLICAL in nature.
I started to ask about it, but I didn't want my head to explode.
But still, I wonder.................
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someone might find this interesting about some sci fi films like the Matrix:

http://www.slccglobelink.com/news/2004/10/28/Entertainment/mother.Of.The.Matrix.Victorious-785067.shtml

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Report this Post12-13-2004 08:25 AM Click Here to See the Profile for sarabearSend a Private Message to sarabearDirect Link to This Post
I never saw the first two movies but my ex drug me to the third one. I actually liked it, but I never felt the need to see the other two.

I thought about buying that DVD set for my ex....but then I remembered two things.....#1 Its $60+SH and #2...its my EX....I dont like him that much! lol

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Originally posted by Boondawg:

A customer (a babtist preacher) at work told me all 3 movies were BIBLICAL in nature.
I started to ask about it, but I didn't want my head to explode.
But still, I wonder.................

actually there is alot of religious reference if you pay attention.......i thought the series was amazing, to think that someone actually thought up a concept like this to me is incredible.....i may be the only one on this forum who thinks it was awesome, but i stand by it......it was nowhere near as terrible as the new star wars episodes IMO.
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Originally posted by LITEDAZE:
it was nowhere near as terrible as the new star wars episodes IMO.
James


They WERE kinda bad, weren't they...
Oh, if you ever wanna read where Lucas got a LOT of his ideas from...this book has 'em...
Not that Cambel created these myths, he just grouped them together and compared them...

what a great piece of work!!!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0385418868/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-1743988-8456862#reader-li nk

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Well I actually really liked the 1st one, and was dissappointed in the 2nd and 3rd. I even saw the 3rd on the Imax Screen In San Fran, hoping that the bigger screen might make it better LOL .

I think it was just to complicated for me, I felt like there was a whole lot I just wasn't getting/understanding, and well never been a big fan of sci-fi movies anyways.

I was never much for watching "bonus features" except maybe the alternate endings. I did buy the original matrix and didn't buy the 2nd and 3rd because I figured I would wait and buy the "complete collection" when it becomes available. I just tend to buy stuff like this just to add to the collection I guess.

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