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Al qaeda has nukes? by Jersey
Started on: 02-08-2004 07:52 PM
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Hmmmm... Article says they are suitcase nukes, and also says they are 1 kiloton devices.
Anyone think that sounds kind of large to fit in a suitcase?

Not that I know what I'm talking about. I'm sure others can comment from a more educated perspective.

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i do know that they have dirty bombs that can fit in a suitcase, not sure what size though. the gov made some. it was on a History channel awhile ago.
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Originally posted by Raydar:

Hmmmm... Article says they are suitcase nukes, and also says they are 1 kiloton devices.
Anyone think that sounds kind of large to fit in a suitcase?

I think the explosive power of a bomb is compared to TNT. So a 1 kiloton nuke has the same explosive power as 1 kiloton of TNT.

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Yes, but how big is a 1 kt nuke? If it's a primitive, by U.S. standards, atomic device I would imagine it would be too big to fit in a suitcase. Just speculating, though.
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Yes, but how big is a 1 kt nuke? If it's a primitive, by U.S. standards, atomic device I would imagine it would be too big to fit in a suitcase. Just speculating, though.

That's what I was getting at.
Wasn't the Hiroshima bomb around 20 kilotons? IIRC, a B-29 had to struggle to get that thing off the ground.
I'm sure that technology has advanced greatly, but still...

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That's what I was getting at.
Wasn't the Hiroshima bomb around 20 kilotons? IIRC, a B-29 had to struggle to get that thing off the ground.
I'm sure that technology has advanced greatly, but still...

I think they can fit those small "tactical" nukes into suitcases, I watched a show about it on TLC.

I also think that Al Qaeda does have nukes and we have known it for a while. Look at all the measures to get cargo shipments scanned for nukes. Just speculations of course

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lots of stuff on the web about this. weapons tech has advanced considerably since WW2
1 kt may be "optimistic", but still extremely dangerous if true. a couple of excerpts from a google search for "suitcase nukes":

http://www.nationalterroralert.com/readyguide/suitcasenuke.htm
Suitcase Nukes
A "suitcase" bomb is a very compact and portable nuclear weapon and could have the dimensions of 60 x 40 x 20 centimeters or 24 x 16 x 8 inches. The smallest possible bomb-like object would be a single critical mass of plutonium (or U-233) at maximum density under normal conditions. The Pu-239 weighs 10.5 kg and is 10.1 cm across. It doesn't take much more than a single critical mass to cause significant explosions ranging from 10-20 tons. These types of weapons can also be as big as two footlockers. The warhead consists of a tube with two pieces of uranium, which, when rammed together, would cause a blast. Some sort of firing unit and a device that would need to be decoded to cause detonation may be included in the "suitcase."
Another portable weapon is a "backpack" bomb. The Soviet nuclear backpack system was made in the 1960s for use against NATO targets in time of war and consists of three "coffee can-sized" aluminum canisters in a bag. All three must be connected to make a single unit in order to explode. The detonator is about 6 inches long. It has a 3-to-5 kiloton yield, depending on the efficiency of the explosion. It's kept powered during storage by a battery line connected to the canisters.

http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/020923.htm
According to reports in late 1998, including a detailed one in the London-based, Arab daily, Al-Watan Al-Arabi, Chechens acquired approximately 20 "tactical" nuclear weapons from Russian facilities, to be subsequently transferred to bin Laden for a sum of $30 million in cash plus two tons of opium. These claims, too, were not corroborated by other sources or physical evidence


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The bomb dropped on Hiroshima was a "cannon" design unlike the Nagasaki bomb which was an "implosion" design...and the prototype for all future designs.

The original "cannon" design lends itself to small size but has a small yield. the Little Boy bomb dropped on August 6 was the size of a small car and delivered a meager 20 kiloton yield (10 Megaton is the average today). Any bomb housed in a package the size of a suitcase will likely be limited to 1-3 kilotons. Still, that is a bigger explosion than is available from any other conventional military ordinance except for the daisycutters/fuel-air bombs.

The concept is very simple. A tube of about 3 feet has an explosive charge at each end and a pistoninside of the the charge. In the center ofthe tube is a "pellet" of enriched Uranium or Plutonium. Upon detonation the pistons travel inward creating a pressure wave that compresses the pellet. It reaches critical mass and booooooooooooooooom; Lower Manhattan disappears.

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