http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=&content_code=07436823

120 HP ?! I wonder if anyone makes a Fiero kit body to put on it?

quote The American Elise will have a 120-hp low-emissions engine and will sticker at $38,500 fully loaded.

To me, 'fully loaded' means more than 120 hp.

YEAH! I saw that the other night on Speed Vision. WOW that car handels awesome. Very basic nonstreet (so far)racer.

120 hp in a car that light is quite a bit. These things weigh far less that Fieros.

Hartz

Weighs 1500 lbs or something like that

You can get an aelise in America right now... With a *200hp* Acura motor (from the actual type-R Integra to meet US emmisions.) no less! (though it's pricy, around $50k. of course the Lotus will be around $40k with the crap motor...)

120bhp, even with just 1500lbs to haul around, is really pittiful, and stupid in HP-crazed America.

Like the engine was an afterthought.(as Enzo rolls over in his grave.)

I mean, I'm looking at motorcycles as engine swap candidates!

Sheesh!

Best!
Ben.

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Ben Cannon
88 Formula, T-top, Metalic Red. "Every Man Dies, not every man really Lives"
88 Formula, Northstar, Silver, In-Progreess. -Mel Gibson, "Braveheart"

It also says on one of the side links that Lotus has decided not to produce the M-250. It looked like a larger Elise, on steroids. Had a V-6 and scissor doors. Beautiful.
Thought it might have made a nice Fiero resurrection until I read that it was supposed to sell for around $55K US.

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Raydar

From the Department of Redundancy Department.

It's Finally Coming!!! You guys are all quite critical of 120hp... sheesh, I'll take yours when it arrives

Keep in mind that the Elise is produced in the same place as the "Opel Speedster" that everyone is so interested in (you didn't really think GM was building those, did you?).

Think about how fun a 4cyl Fiero is to throw around corners. Now remove 1000+ lbs, take the top off, tune the suspension, and add 30 more hp. Woallah! A Lotus Elise. I'm a firm defender of this car, and have been ever since I saw one in person nearly 7 years ago in Britian.

And Ben is right about being able to get one for $55k with a 195hp Acura motor. But it's also passing through import requirements without sufficient paperwork (crash standards). It's all fine as long as the government doesn't catch up to you! Here's the story on that one: http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&content_cod e=04955551

Check his company out here: http://www.sunspeed.com/

(I may now need to start saving my nickels & dimes- or start playing the lotto regularily )

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[This message has been edited by MinnGreenGT (edited 01-23-2002).]

Uhh a fiero is 3000+ lbs and the 2.5 is 90 hp granted not the most but not to bad either. Hummm seems to me the Alise will be quite nimble

[This message has been edited by 84Bill (edited 01-23-2002).]

I hope they send this one! http://www.lotuscars.co.uk/template.cfm?name=lotuscarsmodels_elise2000

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 84Bill:
[B]Uhh a fiero is 3000+ lbs and the 2.5 is 90 hp granted not the most but not to bad either. Hummm seems to me the Alise will be quite nimble

3000?!?!

My formula weights roughly 2600 course thats power nothing just the a/c. I could have sworn the most fieros were, were 2800-2850? course the person driving yes yes = 3000

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-KC

1988 Formula, 3.4
LoW Key's Red Bullet

Guys, I'm with MinnGreen on this one. This car ROCKS. A friend of mine had one when I lived in London, and that car was amazing. And none of that sissy sound deadening, or power accessory stuff, either!

Seriously, this will be an awesome car. I will be curious to see how it does in the States, though.

Hartz

Well, that does it. I will have one of those! I've always loved the Elise.

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1988 Quad 4 Coupe 5 speed
1986 GT 5 speed, 1984 SC Auto
AOL: LastMinuteBastrd AIM: SavedbyJebus

are yo guys crazy?! heck, i would acually consider selling both of my fiero's, quit drinking anything but water (free) save my lunchmoney, cancel speedvision and breed the dog to come up with enough money to own one of those!

put me down on the list, but leave the a/c off... ill sweat!

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hoop
Red 86 GT 5 speed
Black 86 SE Automatic

i've started picking up every penny i find off the street.
my hands will be dirty, but the ass-o-meter won't care...

Anybody who says these don't have enough power has never seen one drive! You can do some mild tuning and get the car up to about 150 horse. A 1500 car with 150 horse will smoke you in anything with turns, that's for damn sure. The Elise used to be my dream car due to its strict design purpose of handling like a mofo! Note it USED to be...now I want a 340R; assuming in the next 10 years nothing else big comes along, I'll have one...mark my words.

These are what the Fiero dreamed of being: http://www.340r.net/

Bryce
88 GT

'mild tuning' gives you a 25% increase in HP

?!

the engineers must have no idea what they are doing at Lotus.

[This message has been edited by Ken Wittlief (edited 01-24-2002).]

I wonder if Pontiac will use the Alise suspension in the Solstice

quote Originally posted by Ken Wittlief: 'mild tuning' gives you a 25% increase in HP ?! the engineers must have no idea what they are doing at Lotus. [This message has been edited by Ken Wittlief (edited 01-24-2002).]

The tuning you do mostly gets rid of government regulated restrictions. Look at the rest of the car, I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing.

If you think that's bad, I'll assume you've never done any work with American V8s! Most 350/351 motors can have a couple grand put into them (cam, headers, ignition, intake, fuel supply, heads) and easily add 25% power.

Again, the performance gains are almost entirely comprised of getting rid of government regulated stuff...I won't hold it against them. European/Japanese noise regulations in particular can be nasty.

My 2 cents...

Bryce
88 GT