It seems we have become a nation full of socially engineered, pansy-assed whiners and finger pointers...
I am so damned tired of these bedwetters who gripe and moan about the treatment of Al Qaeda prisoners in Cuba. What is it going to take to drag their stupid, indoctrinated asses into reality?
These prisoners are among the most ruthless, dangerous people in the world. Their mission in life is to kill Americans by any means possible. In fact, they may already have done so. And still, the conditions in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, are like a country club compared to a Northern Alliance prison.
These thugs get three meals a day, a copy of the Quran, and a mat to sleep on. Even that is more than they deserve.
When I remember how many Americans died in the trade towers, and then see these flatulent, snivelling liberals bitching about the "harsh" treatment of those responsible, I am irate.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Besides PERSONALY I think that punishments here are to sissyfied too! I think it should be eye for an eye.. Ill tell you this... I bet no one would jack your Fiero if they new they would get their hand chopped off for doin it!! AND if they still did do it.. They wouldnt be doin it after they got caught twice... hehe!

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just execute them.. who's paying for their "detainment" anyway? US taxpayers?

a bullet is much cheaper.. heck let's be generous and make it 2 bullets. What's the cost of a couple 9mm rounds, as compared to the benefit from one less terrorist?

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I have no sympathy for the detainees. I like seeing them kneeling on the ground facing the walls.
I heard a report that two out of three adults in Afghanistan are illiterate. That could be the reason for this whole sorry affair. Had they gone to school as we did they would know that you don't go up to the biggest kid in the school yard and pick a fight.

All that said, bear in mind that with great regularity the minority opinion (socially engineered, pansy-assed whiners and finger pointers)is correct and the majority opinion is wrong. Dismissing the chronic anti-establishment types you have to realize it takes some considerable thought to go against the majority. It pays to listen to them and consider what they say.

With all that in mind I have volunteered to supply electrical shock devices to the Army.

it seems the rate of illiteracy is directly proportional to the rate of religious fundamentalism and extremism.....

if more of them could read, then they might realize how osama's rants are all BS.. then they might actually try rebuilding their country instead of spending all their time and money training to kill the "american infidels".. hehe

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I think the fact that we do respect the rights of those people, is what makes us the good guys and them the bad guys...

Wait until we get all information possible by torture, then fly them back to Afghanistan, but announce that the plane mysteriously went down in the ocean. The crew survives, of course.

right on!!!!!!!!!!!!! torture then fly miniture airplanes into them. see how they like that.

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quote Originally posted by Screwie: I think the fact that we do respect the rights of those people, is what makes us the good guys and them the bad guys...

I totally agree. We are a nation that upholds human rights, and dictates to other countries that they should also uphold human rights. Human rights are, in fact, part of the freedom we are trying to protect. I have no sympathy for those in Cuba. As far as I am concerned, they are guilty and should be dealt with accordingly. Its just in the interim, they should be dealt with in a fashion that does not violate our own principles, or those we have agreed to uphold (i.e. the Geneva agreement on the treatment of prisoners of war).

Hmmm...kill thousands of innocents, destroy a country, and in return, get three meals a day, hot showers, religious freedom, and get to spend January in the Caribbean...where do I sign up...

These folks should have been sent to a gulag in Siberia.

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quote Originally posted by Fformula88: I totally agree. We are a nation that upholds human rights, and dictates to other countries that they should also uphold human rights. Human rights are, in fact, part of the freedom we are trying to protect. I have no sympathy for those in Cuba. As far as I am concerned, they are guilty and should be dealt with accordingly. Its just in the interim, they should be dealt with in a fashion that does not violate our own principles, or those we have agreed to uphold (i.e. the Geneva agreement on the treatment of prisoners of war).

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quote Originally posted by deceler8: Hmmm...kill thousands of innocents, destroy a country, and in return, get three meals a day, hot showers, religious freedom, and get to spend January in the Caribbean...where do I sign up... These folks should have been sent to a gulag in Siberia.

Be careful what you sign up for before you read the fine print. At the end of your stay, you get a bullet to the head!

I believe these people are innocent until proven guilty but they have shown that they are dangerous and therefore all precautions are needed to stop anyone from being injured.

I am embarrassed to say that 3 of these people are "British Residents" (not British people, as they have no regard for the country they reside in). The mother of one of these lads knew full well that her son was involved with these terrorist organisations and this really gets me down.

PK in the (not so)Great Britain.

There is a lot of dancing around the main point here.

The point is that there is a group of people in the U.S. that think taking prisoners, clothing them, feeding them, giving them mats to sleep on, and shelter is "harsh" because they also aren't provided, what? $1000 mattresses? Cable television? Full use of athletic club facilities? Paid phone calls to relatives?

PK, welcome and I am not picking on you, but "innocent until proven guilty"? Well, yes, I agree with that. I'm just wondering what proof you need. The fact they were caught fighting a war with weapons isn't good enough for you? How high are you going to put the burden of proof? Like usual in the U.S.? "Well, yes, he had a gun, but did you actually SEE him shoot someone and kill them?"

Ah, but that means NOTHING until they've had their trial. I don't think there's ANY way that they are going to get off the charges.

So tell me, are they POWs, or just criminals?

quote Originally posted by Galen: right on!!!!!!!!!!!!! torture then fly miniture airplanes into them. see how they like that.

LMAFAO!!!!!!! Galen, that is the PERFECT thing to do!!!! Galen for president!

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Deep'em in Acid watch'em burn I'm sure they'd feel it

besides who the hells paying for them to stay in prison? come on take a wild guess.. yep go figure probably us.

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quote Originally posted by Mach10: So tell me, are they POWs, or just criminals?

Ahhh, somebody finally asks the most important question. It all depends, are we or aren't we at war?

The answer is criminals becuase they where not part of a standing army and they where not wearing uniforms. So according to the "Geneva convention" they are not POW's and it doesn't matter whether we have declared war.

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So then, by your own laws and conventions, they must have a full trial, with an impartial jury...

quote Originally posted by fieronv: The answer is criminals becuase they where not part of a standing army and they where not wearing uniforms. So according to the "Geneva convention" they are not POW's and it doesn't matter whether we have declared war.

Well with the exception of the "master minds" (term used in the loosest sense) behind Al Queda, what justification do we have to arrest or detain any of the "criminals" we have in Gitmo? What jurisdiction do we have to arrest people in Afghanistan?

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soon as they got any information out of them , they shoulda shot em all thru the head over there. Not even worth the fuel in the planes to bring em here. There scum. They dont believe in "fair" trials themselves, so why give them one.

On second thought, they should all be set free. Fly them all to New York City and let them loose as soon as they step off the plane.

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quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: soon as they got any information out of them , they shoulda shot em all thru the head over there. Not even worth the fuel in the planes to bring em here. There scum. They dont believe in "fair" trials themselves, so why give them one.

Information? what kind of information do you think we are going to get from these people? You're right about the wasted fuel though. We sure burned alot and wasted alot of bombs and killed too many of our own soldiers trying to get bin Laden.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: soon as they got any information out of them , they shoulda shot em all thru the head over there. Not even worth the fuel in the planes to bring em here. There scum. They dont believe in "fair" trials themselves, so why give them one. On second thought, they should all be set free. Fly them all to New York City and let them loose as soon as they step off the plane. [This message has been edited by rogergarrison (edited 01-22-2002).]

Yes! The bastards only believe in fighting for what they believe in... Oh, wait... Or was that the US?

quote Originally posted by frontal lobe: There is a lot of dancing around the main point here. The point is that there is a group of people in the U.S. that think taking prisoners, clothing them, feeding them, giving them mats to sleep on, and shelter is "harsh" because they also aren't provided, what? $1000 mattresses? Cable television? Full use of athletic club facilities? Paid phone calls to relatives? PK, welcome and I am not picking on you, but "innocent until proven guilty"? Well, yes, I agree with that. I'm just wondering what proof you need. The fact they were caught fighting a war with weapons isn't good enough for you? How high are you going to put the burden of proof? Like usual in the U.S.? "Well, yes, he had a gun, but did you actually SEE him shoot someone and kill them?"

There are also people here in the UK who are concerned about the conditions of these prisoners. I am amazed that these people seem more concerned about the condition of the prisoners than the safety of those guarding them. Something is really wrong in that logic.

I used the term "innocent until proven guitly" as I view these people as CRIMINALS rather than POW's. They are after all terrorists and as such should face trial for their crimes. FL, I see your point about proof of involvement and that is worrying. Has anyone heard anything about the charges they will face and the sentences they are likely to get?

Cheers
PK

Mach10,

I see the point you are trying to make, but it isn't accurate. The U.S. often does NOT fight for what it believes in. It often negotiates, tries to bring financial pressure, or just looks the other way. And at least for the last 20 or so years, has rarely to never "sneak attack" fought for what it believes in.

quote Originally posted by PK: Has anyone heard anything about the charges they will face and the sentences they are likely to get?

Nope, and we probably never will. Our president and attorney general have decided that it would be in the best interests of (their jobs) the country and the intelligence community if they just keep things to themselves.

quote Originally posted by frontal lobe: Mach10, I see the point you are trying to make, but it isn't accurate. The U.S. often does NOT fight for what it believes in. It often negotiates, tries to bring financial pressure, or just looks the other way. And at least for the last 20 or so years, has rarely to never "sneak attack" fought for what it believes in.

Very true. I don't think there has been a "way-of-life" threat since Vietnam... The rest appear to be purely economically motivated...
My point was that you shouldn't label the lot of them as bloodthirsty psychotic idealists, at least without the proper trials and such.

Put 'em on the stand, give 'em a chance to defend themselves, then nail them to a tree. Without law, there is no justice. Without procedure, you're nothing but a lynch-mob of hairless monkeys that fall out of trees often.

Do it RIGHT, or not at all.

quote Originally posted by deceler8: Hmmm...kill thousands of innocents, destroy a country, and in return, get three meals a day, hot showers, religious freedom, and get to spend January in the Caribbean...where do I sign up...

Where do you sign up? Local Navy recruiter, finish boot camp, then screw up; get in trouble. GITMO is NOT preferred duty, by any stretch of the definition. Surrounded by high terrain, the prevailing winds rarely touch the navy base, nor do the rains that you can see falling almost daily over in Guantanamo City, on the Communist side. Guantanamo is, in effect a desert on the edge of the sea. Usually cloudless, with the sun bearing down, little wind, and when it does blow, it is hot and dusty. The only exception is on the Leeward side, where the runway is, or when a hurricane blows in. I spent 2 yrs there in the mid 70's. There is only a base there, no access to any town. It really sucked....A prison unto itself. No comment publicly as to what should be done with those being held there fromm me.

Let's put it this way......

Afgahni in Cuba Vs. Unknown huge number of U.S. Street Persons

A in C --- Street Person

Gets 3 meals a day --- might eat once if lucky
Knows where he's sleeping --- Sleeps anyplace he can
Has a roof --- has no roof
Has clean clothing provided --- sill in the same thing they wore last week or more.
Guaranteed dangerous --- Some can be dangerous but most just occupy space.
Odds of freezeing to death on street this winter, about Zero --- Frighteningly high.

I could go on but you get the idea.....

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I say if amnesty international wants to see these prisioners we let them, but first we tell them if they get taken hostage we are going to shoot first and ask questions later. These prisioners are some of the worlds most dangerous and fanatical people. Their goal is to kill all infidels so they can go to heaven. I would'nt trust them for one second.

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