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Mach10 Member
Posts: 7375 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Registered: Jan 2001
How's about this? Let's not talk about Religion, politics, gun rights, abortion, Sexual beliefs, animal rights, cars... oops, now what do we talk about? ... I know, let's talk about paint peeling and grass growing, but we will have to wait till Spring to talk about the grass growing.
Originally posted by avengador1: How's about this? Let's not talk about Religion, politics, gun rights, abortion, Sexual beliefs, animal rights, cars... oops, now what do we talk about? ... I know, let's talk about paint peeling and grass growing, but we will have to wait till Spring to talk about the grass growing.
Well it is summer over here. The grass is growing really fast. We could talk about Britney. Roger will join us then
I canot belive any normal guy would choose to be gay do you??? they are born that way, it is not a decision or a whim or anything praying can cure. but christians hate and fear of gays shows their true nature,total lack of understanding,lack of compasion and readyness to condem others, for what they call a sin. local christians are now trying to over turn a gayrights law here, but cheated on recall drive and are now being looked at for charges of fraud.
OMG you really want to discuss gay people now? talk about risky subjects.
with out approving or condemming, I will only make one observation. Every gay man I have every known, was sexually abused by a male adult when he was a child.
Im counting.... 5 out of 5. All abused by their own fathers BTW.
not a conclusive scientific study - but it sure doenst sound like they were born that way
and they didnt choose it either - it was done to them, and for some reason they decided it was who they really are.
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DRH Member
Posts: 2683 From: Onalaska, WI, USA Registered: Dec 1999
Originally posted by DRH: Here's a challenge for everyone... Try to find a topic that ray b can't turn into a rant against Christians!!!
You've got ME! I don't think there IS one!!
Ray: I will say this only ONE MORE TIME: The people you are talking about are NOT true Christian. TRUE Christians, who follow the bible, do NOT hate ANYONE. Are you getting this?
True followers of Jesus will support His teachings and condemn immorality and perversion. Now, there is a BIG difference between hate and fighting for what's good (good as defined by the Bible).
Did you get this?? If you say one more time that Christians are doing this or that, or that they've done this or that, I will start calling EVERY non-Christian and criminal a Mason. Is that fair? I think so.
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This post is great...I just have to join in...If you want to be gay...go for it...leaves more chicks for us straight guys...just don't be gay around me. BTW: those florida guys speak for yourself's not for Florida...I voted for Bush. Good thing too...could you imagine what Gore would have done to the terrorists? <breaks out ruler and slaps hand> ....wait...was that in this post, or another one? oh well...seems like a fitting place to put it.
Jason
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02:41 PM
JasonS Member
Posts: 38 From: Lakeland, Florida, USA Registered: Feb 2001
wow, i'm tired...it was in this post. It's bad when you can't remember that what you're replying to was something you read a few posts up....must be getting old.
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Joe Torma Member
Posts: 3485 From: Hillsborough, NJ USA Registered: Jul 2001
Originally posted by Ken Wittlief: OMG you really want to discuss gay people now? talk about risky subjects.
with out approving or condemming, I will only make one observation. Every gay man I have every known, was sexually abused by a male adult when he was a child.
Im counting.... 5 out of 5. All abused by their own fathers BTW.
not a conclusive scientific study - but it sure doenst sound like they were born that way
and they didnt choose it either - it was done to them, and for some reason they decided it was who they really are.
5 of 5 is not a very big sample or valid result to base a study on. but even if true, if the dad was gay and the kid is too, you can't see a genealogy link there???? most young men raped in prison do not become gay on release.same for the rapests in prisons. most gays are rased by their moms with little or no males for a rolemodel. most gays say they know they are different at a young pre-sex age and arenot molested as kids by anyone. AIDS is a virus and will infect anyone reguardless of belife or sexpartners sex. did your god curse the kids with hemophilia[bleeders] tooo?????and the kids born with AIDS????? why are females immune from curse of aids if they are gay too. but more in danger if strait then gay??? in africa more straits died of AIDS on 9-11 then were killed in NY NY and day before and every day after too.
not all gay child molesters are the childrens fathers, only amounsgt the 5 I have met personally. - So genetics is not the only possible answer.
and besides, much of our behaviour is learned, not inherited. Children will often convince themselves that ANYTHING is acceptable and ok, rather than have to believe their parent figures are defective or faulty - so maybe they would rather believe that being gay and having sex with a child is ok than to believe their own father, uncle, cousin, grandpa... is a sick twisted scumbag child molester.
Originally posted by JasonS: This post is great...I just have to join in...If you want to be gay...go for it...leaves more chicks for us straight guys...just don't be gay around me. BTW: those florida guys speak for yourself's not for Florida...I voted for Bush. Good thing too...could you imagine what Gore would have done to the terrorists? <breaks out ruler and slaps hand> ....wait...was that in this post, or another one? oh well...seems like a fitting place to put it.
Jason
You meen like HIS DAD DID TO SADDAM????? or ronnnie did to KADAFY????? that BS is getting old you don't know what would of happened but the anti-freedom BS would of been less that is for sure.
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Voytek Member
Posts: 1924 From: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Registered: Jan 2001
Originally posted by Ken Wittlief: not all gay child molesters are the childrens fathers, only amounsgt the 5 I have met personally. - So genetics is not the only possible answer.
and besides, much of our behaviour is learned, not inherited. Children will often convince themselves that ANYTHING is acceptable and ok, rather than have to believe their parent figures are defective or faulty - so maybe they would rather believe that being gay and having sex with a child is ok than to believe their own father, uncle, cousin, grandpa... is a sick twisted scumbag child molester.
Very true. Genetics is an excuse for a lot of wrong-doing now-a-days.
Ray - you obviously haven't heard that Mr. Bush won, fair and square. The Miami Herald, the paper that was probably the loudest supporter of Gore and recounts, DID, in fact, do the recount a month or two after the dust settled. GUESS WHAT? The recount STILL showed that Mr. Bush won! Of all people, you should know this - YOU LIVE THERE! So stop bitching about it. It's called democracy.
malacite WHAT IS YOUR problem? Not a good idea to start a war without having anything to say on issues discussed.
Now, go back and stick your nose in a different thread if this one bothers you so much.
The OFFICIAL "Ray's talking out his anus again" post
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Originally posted by ray b: ...did your god curse the kids with hemophilia[bleeders] tooo?????and the kids born with AIDS????? why are females immune from curse of aids if they are gay too. but more in danger if strait then gay??? in africa more straits died of AIDS on 9-11 then were killed in NY NY and day before and every day after too.
1) I did NOT say AIDS was a curse, or that God sent it as a curse. You are once again reading what you WANT TO HEAR into my posts.
2) Show me ONE study that states women can NOT get AIDS as lesbians, or that they're MORE AT RISK when straight. ONE. WITH REFERENCES.
3) Show me ONE study that states that more than 6,000 STRAIGHT AFRICANS die PER DAY OF AIDS. ONE. WITH REFERENCES.
Also, Christians don't hate gays. We hate homosexuality. There's a HUGE differnece.
You ever know anyone who had a loved one be convicted of murder?! If they still loved that person, does that mean they love murder?! NO. They love the person but hate the crime. Same principle here. I suggest you learn it.
BTW, did you know MOST murderers have ties to the Freemasons?! (I like this "everything's the Mason's fault" routine.)
How's it feel? Not good, is it? If you had ever even READ the Bible, you'd know half the stuff you say about these supposed "Christians" could never be true. We DON'T hate, we DON'T kill, we DON'T lie, we DON'T cheat...what ammunition have you left? Nothing. We're peaceful people. Anyone acting outside the realms of the Bible (killing, stealing, cheating, lying, etc) cannot be counted as a true Christian, so their actions cannot be called "the actions of a Christian".
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JasonS Member
Posts: 38 From: Lakeland, Florida, USA Registered: Feb 2001
Originally posted by TRiAD: [b]The OFFICIAL "Ray's talking out his anus again" post
1) I did NOT say AIDS was a curse, or that God sent it as a curse. You are once again reading what you WANT TO HEAR into my posts.
2) Show me ONE study that states women can NOT get AIDS as lesbians, or that they're MORE AT RISK when straight. ONE. WITH REFERENCES.
3) Show me ONE study that states that more than 6,000 STRAIGHT AFRICANS die PER DAY OF AIDS. ONE. WITH REFERENCES.
Also, Christians don't hate gays. We hate homosexuality. There's a HUGE differnece.
You ever know anyone who had a loved one be convicted of murder?! If they still loved that person, does that mean they love murder?! NO. They love the person but hate the crime. Same principle here. I suggest you learn it.
BTW, did you know MOST murderers have ties to the Freemasons?! (I like this "everything's the Mason's fault" routine.)
How's it feel? Not good, is it? If you had ever even READ the Bible, you'd know half the stuff you say about these supposed "Christians" could never be true. We DON'T hate, we DON'T kill, we DON'T lie, we DON'T cheat...what ammunition have you left? Nothing. We're peaceful people. Anyone acting outside the realms of the Bible (killing, stealing, cheating, lying, etc) cannot be counted as a true Christian, so their actions cannot be called "the actions of a Christian".
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1 YOU ASK THE QUESTION I ONLY ANSWERED about a curse. and the idea is based on church statements. 2 only one gay woman has aids who is not in other risk groupes unlike millions of gay men and strait men and women. one case in the world of woman to woman aids look it up yourself 3 WHO on aids in africa 2000 deaths 3 million divied 3,000,000 by 365 =? type in [aids death rate WHO] to check
I know Mason BS IS BS and so do you christian crimes are in all history books look that up to!!!!!!!
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08:17 PM
AusFiero Member
Posts: 11513 From: Dapto NSW Australia Registered: Feb 2001
Originally posted by Voytek: You've got ME! I don't think there IS one!!
Ray: I will say this only ONE MORE TIME: The people you are talking about are [b]NOT true Christian. TRUE Christians, who follow the bible, do NOT hate ANYONE. Are you getting this?
True followers of Jesus will support His teachings and condemn immorality and perversion. Now, there is a BIG difference between hate and fighting for what's good (good as defined by the Bible).
Did you get this?? If you say one more time that Christians are doing this or that, or that they've done this or that, I will start calling EVERY non-Christian and criminal a Mason. Is that fair? I think so.
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as I have no way to tell who is a TRUE CHRISTIAN the only thing I can post about is what PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY ARE CHRISTIAN DO. WHEN A CHURCH LEADER GOES ON TV AND TALKS ABOUT 9-11 AND GOD'S REVENGE ON GAYS,DRUGS, SEX AND bs ect.and they do not ex him out of THE church then and there.never have or will DO ANYTHING TO STOP HATE FROM CHURCH LEADERS BUT JUST GO ON AND ON LIKE IT NEVER HAPPENED OR SAY HE IS NOT IN MY SUB-CULT OF CHURCH. CAN'T YOU SEE IF YOU SPREAD A BELIFE YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OTHERS AND THEIR ACTIONS, UNLESS YOU TRY TO STOP THEM THEY ACT IN YOUR NAME TOOO.
FROM YOUR BOOK "NOT BY THEIR WORDS BUT BY THEIR DEEDS , YOU WILL KNOW THEM"
I TALK ABOUT REAL DEEDS FACTS NOT WHAT IF EVERY ONE OF THE ONE BILLION IS STILL DEAD ALL KILLED BY ARMY THAT BELIVED "THOU SHALL NOT KILL" UNDER MANY DIFFERENT NAMES AND LEADERS AND CULTS ALL CLAIMING TO BE THE ONE TRUE CHURCH EVEN WHEN FIGHTING EACH OTHER. EVEN TALIBAN THINKS GOD IS ON IT'S SIDE TOO.
Originally posted by ray b: ...I have no way to tell who is a TRUE CHRISTIAN is...
...the only thing I can post about is what PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY ARE CHRISTIAN DO....
...FROM YOUR BOOK "NOT BY THEIR WORDS BUT BY THEIR DEEDS , YOU WILL KNOW THEM"...
Dude, very good. You just answered your own question.
You're using a DOUBLE STANDARD.
You can't consider them a Christian just because they SAY they are...you must see if their ACTIONS support their claim.
In ALL the cases you've stated...their actions do NOT support their claim to be a Christian.
Now, as far as other Christians kicking these people out of the church...it's not possible. Now, a lying cheating hateful tel-evangelist wouldn't be welcome in MY congregation, unless he was coming in repentance to make amends.
BUT...it's a free country, and if some creep wants to start a TV Ministry and fleece the flock, no one can stop him.
It's not like he need the OK of the Church to be called a church...You could start your own church tomorrow, and call it whatever you want...
So there you have it. By your own words, you now have a clear understanding now that these people aren't what they claim.
So I don't expect we'll be seeing any more ignorant posts about mass-murdering theiving "Christians".
Later.
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DRH Member
Posts: 2683 From: Onalaska, WI, USA Registered: Dec 1999
MJ DO YOU REALY THINK A FIGMENT OF JOHN OF PATMOS'S FEVER DREAM WILL END THE WORLD??? UNIVERCE TOO????? WELL IT IS ABOUT AS LIKELY AS THE SUN NOT RIZING AFTER AZTEK'S STOP CUTTING OUT HEARTS AS THEY THOUGHT GODS WANTED TO INSURE SUN RIZING. DON'T YOU THINK ENDING A WORLD FULL OF LIFE IS EVIL
VERY WEIRD EVIL WORSE THAN TALIBAN EVIL AND THATS VERY VERY HARD TO DO!!!!
... I know, let's talk about paint peeling and grass growing, but we will have to wait till Spring to talk about the grass growing. 
