Just when you think they can't get any stupider, the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals goes public again!
I couldn't believe when they teamed up with old Mr. Price Is Right, Bob Barker, to save elephants from the circus. But now they have decided that fishing is cruel! And they are putting up billboards and other ads to this effect!
New billboards will be showing up soon with show a Labrador Retriever with a hook in his bloody lip, and the slogan will say "If you wouldn't do it to a dog, why do it to a fish?" The reporter who wrote the article where I read this nonsense says that the answer to that question is that 'Fish do not bring you your slippers!'
Peta says that fish feel pain and that to snag one with a steel hook and drag him 50 yards and yank him out of the water until he suffocates is sick. The PETA website asks "Why do we throw a Frisbee to some animals and a barbed hook to others?" The reporters answer is 'Because fish suck at catching Frisbees!'
PETA says eating fish is cruel, even though they eat each other. PETA says catch and release is cruel and that the stress from being caught is enough to just make a fish die later on. A University of Wyoming study of fish shows that they lack a neo-cortex in their brain and do not feel pain. This is why a fish that is caught and released will bite again shortly afterwards.
The reporter suggests (and I concur) that as long as they keep pushing their idiotic ideas on society that they idea will continue to get more idiotic. They start trying to save worms and the millions of micro-organisms that we crush under our boots on a nature walks. He also asks if the PETA folks ever got close enough to hear a broccoli scream when it was ripped from it's home and boiled to death!
He closes this article with an interesting thought... "I'll tell you one thing. Before I agree to this whole fish-human truce, somebody had better have a long face-to-face with the sharks about it. I say we send a bunch of PETA members down right away."
The writer uses humor to show just how far fetched these ideas are. But imagine if PETA gets their way. No more father-son fishing trips. And what tradition will they take away from us next?
Excerpts taken from 'Scales of Injustice' by Rick Reilly. Sports Illustrated, July 2, 2001.
What's the point of fishing unless you plan on doing something with it after you catch it? I don't think it's right when people catch them, say "wow", then throw it back and go home.
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Posts: 5317 From: Opelika , Alabama, USA Registered: Oct 1999
Around here, we use the fillet and release method.
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FAPIAA thats my group...
Fisherpeople agains pain in the a$$ activist
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MAN I HATE PETA I BET IF THERE HOMES WERE INFESTED WITH ROACHES THEY WOULD STOMP EACH ONE OR THEY WOULD BE THE DIRTIEST PEOPLE ON EARTH ! I knew a girl who was in peta and we pissed her off all the time one day my friends went to a slotter house some were and got a pigs head and took it to her house! now that's funny I say they should mind there own business .
Originally posted by btoth: What's the point of fishing unless you plan on doing something with it after you catch it? I don't think it's right when people catch them, say "wow", then throw it back and go home.
It's better than catching them, killing them filleting them throwing them in your freezer for half a year before deciding that you're never gonna eat them and then throwing them out.
I'm for getting rid of the problem. Kill all of the animals so they have nothing to complain about.
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The value of steelhead and salmon can now be measured in human lives. Four firefighters died last week while fighting a forest fire because the EPA would not allow them to use water from a river that might possibly contain fish species protected under the Endangered Species Act. It is time to put these environmentalist whackos in their place. When the price of saving the owls was the loss of thousands of jobs for hard working Americans, we all looked the other way and let it happen. When people lose their homes to save bird habitat, we say at least it wasn't us. Well, now four firefighters have been murdered by the greenies in order to save a fish. Enough is enough.
This wasn't oil polluting the rivers. It wasn't a powerplant spewing hydrocarbons. It was four firefighters trying to save a forest and homes form wildfire. Haven't we gone just a little too far with this whole endangered species bull ****? Anyway, enough of my rant, here it is from Fox News:
"Firefighters were unable to douse the deadly fire in Okanogan National Forest in Winthrop, Wash., in July because of delays in granting permission for fire-fighting helicopters to use water from nearby streams and rivers protected by the Endangered Species Act, according to sources close to the fire.
Firefighters Tom L. Craven, 30, Karen L. Fitzpatrick, 18, Devin A Weaver, 21, and Jessica L. Johnson, 19, burned to death while cowering under protective tents near the Chewuch River, home to protected species salmon and trout. Seventeen other firefighters survived the ordeal.
Forest Service policy in the Northwest requires that special permission be obtained before fire helicopters can dip into certain restricted rivers, lakes and streams. The fear is that the dippers could accidentally scoop up protected species of fish.
A 17-member team from the Forest Service and other federal agencies is now investigating whether the four firefighters died as a result of the policy.
Rep. Scott McInnis, R-Colo., chairman of the House Subcommittee on Forests & Forest Health, said the committee is also looking into allegations that environmental policy and bureaucracy were factors in the deaths.
Testifying before the committee Tuesday, USFS Fire Chief Dale Bosworth said that under standard procedure, firefighters would have used the Chewuch water to fight the fire and addressed any environmental violations or restrictions after the fire was extinguished. He said he was investigating why dispatch waited for approval before sending the helicopters.
"We get the water where we can get it and ask questions later," Bosworth said.
Forest Service District Commander John Newcom told Fox News last week that the Chewuch River’s population of salmon, steelhead trout and bull trout are all considered when fighting fires, but insisted helicopter permission was never delayed or denied because of the policy.
But the USFS reversed that position Tuesday with the release of a timeline of events that depicts the harrowing plight of a band of very young, inexperienced firefighters waiting desperately for helicopter relief that never came.
According to the timeline, the first team of firefighters, an elite crew called "Hot Shots," had contained what came to be known as the "30-mile fire" by the very early morning and requested a helicopter water drop at 5:30 a.m. However, they were told one would not be available until 10 a.m.
At 9 a.m., the Hot Shots were replaced with a young "mop-up" crew expecting helicopter relief to arrive within the hour. When the mop-up crew inquired about the missing helicopter just after noon, the dispatch office told the crew field boss that helicopters could not be used in the area because the Chewuch River contained endangered fish.
Final permission to use Chewuch water wasn’t granted until 2 p.m.
Jan Flatten, the environmental officer for the Okanogan and Wenatchee Natural forests, confirmed that environmental concerns caused crucial delays in dispatching the helicopter.
"At 12:08, the dispatch office ordered the helicopter," Flatten told Fox News. "However, because there are endangered species in the Chewuch River, they wanted to get permission from the district in order to dip into the river."
However, the dispatch office could not reach anyone at the district with the authority to approve the helicopter drop. Flatten said those authorities — Newcom, Fire Manager Peter Sodoquist and the Methow Valley biologist — were actually meeting during that time to approve an exemption to the policy.
"That time lag of about two hours was when they were trying to locate someone with the authority to tell them they could go ahead and take water out of the Chewuch River," Flatten said.
The USFS did not explain why the intra-agency team required to approve an exemption did not convene until 12 p.m., two hours after firefighters had been told the helicopter would be available.
Two former USFS firefighters familiar with the Thirty Mile Fire said getting permission to dip into the Chewuch caused the delays that led to the death of their colleagues.
"(The crew) were told that (the Chewuch River) was a protected water source and they needed to go through channels to use this water source," one of the former firefighters told Fox News.
The first load of helicopter water was dumped on the fire around 3 p.m., but the fire was by then out of control. An hour later, air tankers had to be turned back and the ground crew fled on foot to the river where they deployed their survival tents. The crew was completely surrounded by the flames with no avenue for escape."
Fox News' William LaJeunnesse and Robin Wallace contributed to this report.
Originally posted by wkayl: Firefighters Tom L. Craven, 30, Karen L. Fitzpatrick, 18, Devin A Weaver, 21, and Jessica L. Johnson, 19, burned to death while cowering under protective tents near the Chewuch River, home to protected species salmon and trout.
I heard about that, but I didn't know that they were there because they were waiting for the *correct* frickin water! That's pretty crappy, if you ask me. If the fish are dumb enough to swim into the helicopter bucket thing, they deserve to be roasted. What about spear fishing? I think I'd rather be hooked through the lip than pierced through my torso with a friggin stick. But, of course, it's Native American heritage. Sure.
I used to do quite a bit of off-shore fishing and as very active in the shark tagging program. I've had people catch some sharks I've tagged up to 3 years later(so much for "they die shortly after being caught and released"). I have also caught the same shark 4 times in one day. Now "finning"(cutting off the fins for market and realeasing) is a different story, that is cruelty.
Makes ya wonder what (PETA) people do when they hit a poor defenseless animal with their car or truck? Hmmmm...
Yesterday I probably saw at least 4 dead racoons on the side of the road. I know racoons are not on the endangered species list (at least not yet), but they have feelings too don't they?
If they're going to represent the best interests of animals and now fish, then they better represent all of them equally.
Whoops, what did I just say? Now they're gunna wanna outlaw motor vehicles...
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PETA Thinks horse back riding is cruel, they think even putting a halter on and domesticating a horse is cruel. That's just stupid. My horse is much happier living in a heated barn with its constant souce of hay, grain and water, instead of being mangy, dirty, unhealthy and skinny out on it's own.
Originally posted by btoth: What's the point of fishing unless you plan on doing something with it after you catch it? I don't think it's right when people catch them, say "wow", then throw it back and go home.
Every fish I catch and release is one more fish someone else can go out and catch/eat later.
I view fishing as a sport. I release a fish with hopes of fighting it again another day.
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Since the epa doesn't care about human lives. What about the enangered animals that were killed in the forest while waiting for the water to put out the fire? Is it wrong to kill one endangered species to save another? Not that I care really.
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Posts: 4159 From: Petaluma, CA. USA Registered: Apr 2001
Every one of those useless beurcrats has those 4 men and women's lives on their hands.
I hope they are tried and convicted, they're murderers (ok, manslaughter through neglegence)
This is insane, it's ok to eat fish, because they don't have any feelings (heh).
I felt like putting a bullet between the eyes of every panda who wouldn't screw to save it's species.
Yes, it's cruel you dipshi<beep> that's the idea. It's called Evoloution.
I get so sick of all this crap, I don't myself *like* to hunt, but take away all the grocery stores (and farms, and slaughterhouses...) and that's exactly what I'd do.
I'd like to see how long the PETA wussies or so called 'vegitarians' last?
You'd think such anti-killing-for-food PETA type minded people would be evoloutionary self-correcting, but no. Proof we still have a pretty high mutation rate :)
Best! Ben.
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Let's see how long they last on cocoanuts and banana's. The rules would be different. Nobody gets kicked off, They just have to be alive at the end of 60 days. They will either learn to fish or eat each other.
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Posts: 3522 From: Felton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2001
I say we give PETA members something to really think about and open up a hunting season on them to reduce their population levels.
Perhaps, we could even do a "Hunt and Release" program with them.
Hunt them, capture them and if they plead just right, we release them back to society until next time.
DISCLAIMER: The thoughts herewith shared are not to be taken that JSocha is now out of his mind...as that has already been established...and supports canabalism in any way, shape or form. No insects, animals or "fish" were hurt in the making of this post. Any injuries to any insects, animal or fish, living or now dead is purely coincedental.
How bout we put the PetaPeople in a situation where they have to survive in the presence of man eating animals- then let the survivers decide if animals deserve to be treated 'ethically'
Some of the stuff that goes on in the animal kingdom is pretty cruel - preditors ripping a newborn animal from its mothers womb when its only half way out, and then eating it, then eating the mother.
Male lions will chase off another male that has already had cubs with a lioness, and then it will kill all the cubs, so the lioness will go into heat again, and mate with him.
The ethical treatment of animals?! is that a joke?! Why do you think we call em ANIMALS!!!
On Survivor IV-PETA Island, I bet they would vote a member off and eat that PERSON before they would kill and eat an animal.
I've never done any deep sea fishing, but does anyone that has done it think you could get one of those BIG fish to hit on a Billy Bass? I'm not completely sure why, but I just think it would be so fun to see that.
