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SUV's by vietnow
Started on: 12-06-2000 12:04 AM
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im sorry to say but it scares me how many people drive SUV's

and they complain about gas prices.

On ABC news or something, they were talking about a study done by some organization saying that some people were paying more for transportation than housing. The guy they showed on tv had 3 cars, one was a huge suburban that he "drives to work in"

why does this guy need a suburban to drive to work? and he even said he "didnt like having to pay more for transportation than his mortgage"

i guess it scares me most because I drive a small fuel efficient coupe. if I get hit by a suburban, the suburban wins.

I say, if you dont need the ground clearance or 4x4, get a minivan people! much safer!

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God don't even get me started on SUV's. Most of the suburban yuppies that drive them have never driven anything bigger then their old Mercedes. They take turns so wide!

I think minivans are the way to go if you need something bigger then a car or more room then a truck.

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The worst combination: A woman driving an explorer, talking on a cell phone, fixing makup in rearview, 5 kids onboard climbing like little monkies all over the inside. while she tries to change lanes, into that supposed empty spot next to her, that is occupied by me.

This is a daily occurance here in Dallas

Peolple should hang up and drive!

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try doing searche for "idiot drivers" in the totally out there section also SUVs for more comments i made and other people

youll like this website http://poseur.4x4.org/


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not too many things that I hate more than SUV's...

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Just last week I seen a report on the local news saying insurance rates for SUV's should be lowered. The reason being large SUV's are much safer than any other car on the road so they should pay less in insurance.

A day or two later, another report on the same news channel said NO, insurance rates should be higher for large SUV's because they create the most damage in accidents. Duh?

Go figure!

One thing I love with my Fiero... if I have a large SUV on my bumper. I crack up laughing when I blow them away around curve. Seee Ya!

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I hate SUV drivers who have them only because they are SUV's. Many of them don't even have the 4x4 drive on them! A lot of those Blazers and Explorers are 4x2's which totally defeats the purpose IMO. Although, I have been looking at them lately. One would make an ideal winter vehicle for me here in Buffalo to battle the deep snow we get on occasion!

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i try to get away from all traffic.. heheh

i feel comfortable driving but not with SUV's on the road! HEHE

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The funniest thing is seeing a "4x4" stuck on a slight incline, spinning one rear tire. I drove a few laps around a Cherokee stuck like that while in my old Mustang this past summer. I hope that p***ed him off. Why even bother to get a SUV without 4wd, without even an LSD? Just one of those followers, I guess...
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Don't knock people who want to drive a 4x4. I much rather have my wife and daughter drive in our K1500 Chevy 4 door extended cab shortbed 4x4 with the crazy drivers around here than in my Fiero. Just last night a couple were killed driving their Ford Escort too fast on slippery roads. They slid into the path of a mini van. I guess the lady that survived in the mini van should be ticketed for driving a larger vehicle than she hit. I know, lets all just sell our campers, boats, snowmobiles, car trailers and everything else that you need a larger vehicle to pull. If people don't like my wife driving a $30,000 truck to work, you tell her, I'm not going to.

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To me its only a problem when a larger vehicle hits the smaller vehicle. Of course your wife is safe in her tank, but everyone else is under more danger because of it.

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wkayl,

These posts are not directed at people like yourself who actually USE a large vehicle with 4x4 capability. No offense or criticism is directed toward that. The point is that people like yourselves probably represent about 10% of the people driving them. The other 90% never have or will use them the way you do.

If they aren't going to be towing and need 4 wheel drive, there are a few MUCH smaller vehicles out there with 4wd, like subarus or audis.

I HATE SUV's misused. What a waste. I'm not wanting them legislated against,though. I just wish people would use their frontal lobes a little instead of other anatomical parts for decision making.

Just to be SURE you aren't offended I'm going to say it again, wkayl, these ARE NOT directed at people like yourself who actually have a use for SUV's.

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Oh, I don't know which is better. The 5 foot nothing, 100 nothing wife driving a friggin big rig Chevy down the road or the one in the Excursion on the cell phone.


Decisions decisions....

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(1) In my 4-wheeling days we sneered at the trucks & SUV's which were bullet-proof with extreme suspensions, skid plates, lights etc,(like JOE4X4's) but they were NEVER taken offroad. We called them "street cruisers", but that was way too nice a term. Guess it was a different form of riceboys. I talked to one of them once about hopping curbs, and it's the honest truth, he said "No, I don't want to BREAK it!!". Idiots.
(2) You're on thin ice regarding women drivers. I haven't seen them do anything different than things men drivers do.
(3) I have tried several times to talk on my cellphone while driving, and have decided I won't do it again. I CANNOT do those two things at the same time, and it could be just me, but I really think it's unsafe for anybody.
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Im anti SUVs, im fine with 4X4 pick up trucks.
there is a difference

most people with pickups drive a lot better then Suvs around here. Visibility in a pickup is a lot better and with pickups there is less driving into someone elses lane like most suv drivers do because they have more blind spots.

Suv, yuppy mobile, cellular phone talkers, unable to control a large vehicle around turns, most think they own the road. SUVs are only used 10% of the time when commuting to its fullest capabilities, popular cause its a status symbol and it goes great with the 4 bedroom, 2 bath and 4 kid surburbia home.

Trucks, 90% male drivers. Mostly contractors, or do it yourselfers. Not that many on the road. People that drive them are always hauling something. Better visibility. Used in off roading, carrying dirt bikes, snowmobiles, boats, gravel. They have POW stickers on them, they dont look like minature Rvs on the road.

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So, you wanna talk about SUV's? Open this and scroll down...
- http://poseur.4x4.org/futuresuv.html

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that page is hilarous! check out the lincoln mortifier!
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OK folks, no offense taken then. I just take the freedom to drive whatever I want seriously. With all the laws being passed these days by people who think they know what is "best" for everyone to be equal and fair and safe I get a little defensive.
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So those comments were directed at people like me who drive a 2wd SUV (in my case a Jeep Grand Cherokee) on the days they dont drive their Fiero.

I know since my Jeep is indestructible I can bounce off of every car on the road without fear getting myself hurt. Im tired of hearing this "SUVs are the devil" crap.

Right now, I work in an environment where high ground clearance, the ability to haul more than two people, a fair amount of cargo room, and towing capability are important qualities in a vehicle. I dont necessarily need 4wd so I didnt bother throwing down on a 4wd. A minivan is not the solution and I didnt really want a quad cab pickup truck.

People seem to think that SUVs, just by virtue of being SUVs, are Urban Assult Vehicles meant to wreak havoc on any other vehcile they come in contact with. A full size pickup will do the same thing, the only difference is that pickups arent the choice of the soccer moms.

As for the gas milage, give me a break. Your average Z28, Ram Air Firebird, or V8 fiero arent exactly gas misers. I guess thats ok, tho.

Everytime I read one of these anti-suv posts, it makes me feel the same way I do (and Im sure you do) when someone makes the comment about all Fiero's being firebombs.


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DJRice,

I don't think the anti-suv sentiment that many have is directed at people like yourself. If you look at your post, you mentioned about 5 or 6 legitimate reasons why it's important for you to have one. And if you can do all that with 2wd instead of 4wd, why add the weight and expense?

My own personal objection to most people driving suv's is because their justification usually involves 2 things: I can see better (at the expense of everyone else) and if I'm in an accident, I'm bigger than the other guy so I win (again, at the expense of everyone else). That's if they even justify it. The real reason is usually: "I think they are cool, and I like driving a status symbol". You obviously don't come close to any of that reasoning.

My v-6 Fiero currently gets 24 mpg CITY so I don't think an suv even comes CLOSE to that.

After having said all that, I want to re-iterate 2 points.

1. My complaint is not against people like DJRice or wkayl who have honest, justifiable reasons to own one.

2. Even if people don't have honest, justifiable reasons to own one and just drive one as a status symbol, I DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO MAKE LEGISLATION THAT WOULD PREVENT SOMEONE FROM OWNING ONE.

Final point to DJRice--I'M COMING DOWN TO YOUR STATE IN 2 WEEKS TO SEE THE IN-LAWS FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND SINCE IT'S 5 DEGREES OUTSIDE RIGHT NOW I'M A LITTLE EXCITED, HENCE THE USE OF ALL CAPITALS!!!!

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Frontal,

An early welcome to Florida to you. The weather report this morning is showing temperatures warming back in to the lo 80's next week. Hopefully it will stay warm at least for a little bit of your visit. I usually prefer a Sunny but Cold Florida day for Christmas, but well see how that works out.

As for my comments, I have been holding that tyrade back for a while, and I just wanted to get it off of my chest. The simple fact is that SUVs are just plain convienient in certain situations.

I like to think that owning a Fiero and a Jeep offers me the best of both worlds.

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fierospeeder, maybe thats how it is around you, but here its a little different.

While your right that many are contractors, 90% is way too high. More like 40% around me. The other 30% are guys that just like trucks and the other 30% are women who shouldn't be driving anything bigger then a Ford Escort. Not knocking all women drivers, but the ones I have encountered are really bad with SUVs and/or Trucks. I usually see men handle the big vehicles a little better. When it comes to cars there is little or no difference between men and women drivers I agree, but with age there is a difference I think, but thats another thread. It's tough to generalize any group of people, but playing the statistics is the way I go. Like if I see 100 old people who can't drive, seeing one that can is not going to change the way I react to old drivers or the way I think about them. Might be a flawed system but oh well.


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Out of all the SUV's I see on the road here, I can't remember the last time I saw one with more than 1 person or any sort of cargo in it. Also the fact that my high school parking lot was (and still is) filled with suv's that parent's bought for the kids.. so yeah, my viewpoint is kinda skewed. And the fact that if somebody is riding my ass, 9 times out of 10 it's a woman in an SUV or a middle-aged guy in a minivan... no offense meant to anybody
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Wahhhhh. What a bunch of pussies and hypocrites around here. How old are you guys? Drive what you like and ignore everyone else. People here talk about hotrodding their Fieros or removing emission control equipment and then have the gall to ***** about "inefficient" SUVs.

Driven appropriately, my Suburban is safer than my Fiero in virtually EVERY aspect. And even though it only gets 10mpg, it probably emits fewer emissions than a typical Fiero, too. I see many stories around here about people spinning out or having problems in inclement weather in their Fieros, too, so I guess they must either be idiot drivers or the car itself is to blame. Last time we had a serious snowfall where I live, there was only vehicle that could get out of the driveway we share with 2 other neighbors, and it sure wasn't a traction inhibited Fiero or FWD car.

I guess the nest time I see some dipshit in a crappy little 2WD econobox like this, I'll freakin' leave him there.

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jesus man, chill out, we arent flaimng here.

and we are not talking about SUV's vs Fieros.

I am not even talking about SUV's performance.

I simply stated that most people that buy SUV's dont put them to good use.

Like everyone else also said, people like to drive a status symbol.

And, OF COURSE YOUR SAFE IN YOUR SUBURBAN.

But is anyone else? you could have hit some coupe coming around the corner, maybe gotten a bruise, and because you drive an SUV, the wife and kids in the car you hit are dead.

purely fictional, but it happens every day.

just hasnt happened to you yet.


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last summer, a guy from my high school was receiving a driving lesson on a sideroad. (the instrutor sets up traffic cones and you have to slalom through them, unpowered, and then hit the brakes..

anyway, the instructor was setting up the cones ahead, and the kid was in the car. some lady in a Yukon came along going 140kph, and bent down to change the CD... she went off the road and demolished the drivers ed car.. (1998 Cavalier Z24) The trunk of the car was pushed up to the back of the drivers seat.. needless to say, the kid didn't survive too long.

I understand that a lot of people actually use SUVs for their intended purposes, and thaty they're very safe, strong vehicles.. but it's the people that drive them because "everyone else does too", and the people that don't know how to handle a vehicle of that size, that gives SUVs a bad rep among many other drivers.

don't get me wrong, I like SUVs. I wish I had a jeep grand cherokee, cause they're awesome.. I'll probably get a late 80s Blazer first though, as they're cheaper. and both are more practical than a fiero.. but a fiero is FUN..

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The idiot drivers who aren't observant, courteous or cautious, they're a danger on the road no matter what they drive. But when they drive the big toys, as more & more are doing, us little car people are justified in being even more concerned. Sure, everybody IS allowed to drive whatever they want, but there are a lot of people who SHOULDN'T be allowed to. And we're just griping about that, but of course we can't really do anything about it.
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Disclaimer: does it even need one?

Ok, lets start to compare SUV's to Mustangs and Camaros too.

Anyway, this conversation sounds like its going in the direction of "idiot drivers".

Well, from what I've seen SUV's appear to give people a false sense of security on slick and slippery roads. Drivers tend to do more stupid things. It's pretty easy to do when you're thinking, "Oh, I got 4WD, no big deal." Problem is, SUV's carry more inertia, which brakes, 4WD, and huge tires, will do nothing to slow you down on an icy slick road.

I'm not claiming ALL SUV's drivers are "idiot drivers", it's just those who drive them as status symbols and don't understand the basics of physics and laws of motion.

You don't have to take my word for it, just ask the "idiot driver" and his SUV I saw in the ditch this morning. He could tell you.

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Hey, DJRice:

Sorry I was unclear on my earlier post...
The Cherokee that was spinning one tire and going nowhere was labeled as a "4x4," hence my quotes. Assuming the new cherokee did not have a catastrophic failure of the 4wd system(and the owner wasn't just a complete moron), that was the same as adding "Type R" labels to a Honda IMHO. Trying to look better than you are is stupid when the only people who care are able to tell the difference anyway.

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4x4's do spin tires. Intentionally engaging the limited-slip-diff at .01 mph or less is an art form.
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by and large most people rage against suv's solely because the are what the crowd of brain impaired people are driving these days.

i'm not going to go into a long tirade, or even state more than this:
i personally find little use for an suv. a truck, imo, is much better. about 95% of people who own an suv shouldn't. but, this is a free country (okay, its supposed to be anyway) so they can spend what they want, drive what they want, and get ridiculed by me when they complain about bad mileage and high tax prices.

as for accidents, ride a motorcycle once in a while. easily 100x more dangerous, but i wouldn't trade it for the world.

as for what's parked in my driveway:
1986 f150 2wd, 1987 ranger 4wd, 1987 fiero gt, 2000 kawasaki zr-7, 1993 suzuki katana 600, numerous dirtbikes.

among them, they keep me on the road, 365 days a year, no matter what the weather, or the job.

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riding the motorcycle is dangerous for YOU. SUV's are dangerous to everyone else except the driver.

thats just the point ive been trying to make, it seems everyone is trying to compare oranges and apples

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Report this Post12-09-2000 02:26 AM Click Here to See the Profile for UaanaClick Here to visit Uaana's HomePageSend a Private Message to UaanaDirect Link to This Post
O.k. I couldn't resist.
I don't think we should outlaw anything as far as what you own. But what are the opinions on graduated licsences?
if your auto weighs "X" you must have a lecsence rated for x.
Would this really upset anyone? what if we made it just a written test like the extras on a Class B commercial. At least then maybe some of these people would realize there is a difference between driving an Accord and an Excursion.
BTW From years of working I35 as an EMT after every heavy snow/ice storm the majority of autos in the ditch are PU's and SUV's that thought they were impervious to driving conditions.
Now for those like BNBoomer who have been driving these things for years and have a reason for driving one by all means knock yourself out. I think the gist of this thread are all the yuppie/soccer mom owners who look at a SUV as a step up from their accord and drive it the same.


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We should totally ban cellular phones while driving, just saw another report. Some guy on his phone drove into a guy whose car stalled on the side of the road, and he died.

We cant stop the people who read, apply makeup, eat a tbone with a fork and a knife, listening to the radio(it has been pointed that it does cause a distraction, like chewing gum) or sleeping while driving. But banning cellular phone use is a lot easier to enforce. I know the cops didn't want to do extra work with cellular phones here in chicago, which was bogus. There was some guy who kept on bringing up the issue here in illinois, and it keeps on getting discussed in the states congress.

I also drive a motorcycle, yes im the only one thats going to get killed, unless i hit another biker. There are idiots that think they are faster then you, and like cutting in front of you. On a motorcycle it is a lot easier getting out of a situation because of the maneuverability. Being a motorcyclist is a great thing cause another cyclist is like your brother, everyone is in the same group, we all do our wave, or hands out to greet each other. They have more respect for their machines and they way they drive them.

Maybe there should be a special license by weight class? There is with motorcycles. I live in illinois, and im not sure if this was on the news out of state, but people were paying off the DMV, and were getting a license. Truckers, plus just average day Joes. A lot of people were later arrested for taking bribes, and they still point fingers at the secretary of state. The state did many, many retests. A lot of the DMVs that did the retests, sometimes walked out during the road test. They were to afraid to continue. Some people drove in the wrong lane, going through curbs etc... There were numerous trucking accidents, and mainly they were illinois truckers who got their license here.

We also have a lot of old people going through buildings because they stepped on the wrong pedal. Its hard to believe that some people that cant barely walk, (note: not talking about disabled people) or have arthritis, are getting into a large vehicle and driving it. Its strange that most older people get large cars instead of a two door honda or a ford escort.

Having a more strict test to obtain a drivers license should be made. A harder written test would be great, a motorcycle stops quicker, a Suv takes a lot more distance than a cycle.

If i do a search ill put some links of the other idiot drivers that we had for the new people. There are idiot drivers and they do drive in any vehicle. The news had some study that more women are aggresive on the road then men. What i have seen is true, and they are not that great drivers, and you always get one tailgating you. A woman in a SUV with a cellular phone telling her girlfriend im going to nordstrom to buy a new outfit with her checking account is always dangerous to everyone.

Living in this time and this place ,suburb, The SUV is the greatest yuppie mobil on the road. Its the suburb and i get to see the 4 bedroom 3 kids, 5 cellular phones, and why not a SUV because it fits in this perfect environment of getting from Point A to point B 2 miles away then driving to work because i have all the room i need to put my briefcase in, then i can get my wife to fill it up with shoes.

A lot of us will hate SUVs, we dont want to bash the SUV owners in this group, a lot of us work on cars. Cars and other engine type vehicles are our hobbies and we take great pride with what we do.

Anyway, i hope i didn't blab on to much, didn't have any sleep yet, lost 25 bucks at the casino with my g/f and wondering whats with this aol tv infomercial??

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Report this Post12-09-2000 10:44 AM Click Here to See the Profile for BN BoomerSend a Private Message to BN BoomerDirect Link to This Post
 
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I simply stated that most people that buy SUV's dont put them to good use.

Who gives a crap? This is what gripes me most about the anti-SUV crowd. Should we have to actually display a NEED before we are allowed to make purchases? I can think of a heck of a lot of things that most of us don't need. What business is it of yours whether or not someone else uses whatever it is that they have to the maximum extent or fullest potential? You know what? Most people who buy sports cars don't put them to good use, either. And those that do are often are bigger menace to the rest of us than any SUV ever could be. Why do think it costs so much more to insure a sports car? Because they are safer or involved in a proportionally lower number of accidents?

 
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But is anyone else (safer)? you could have hit some coupe coming around the corner, maybe gotten a bruise, and because you drive an SUV, the wife and kids in the car you hit are dead.

There's no garuantee that they would automatically be dead in a collision. More swriously injured? Perhaps. And they could very well be the ones responsible for the accident in the first place. Why should my family or I suffer the consequences of someone else's poor driving?

Where were all you anti-establishment/anti-yuppie types back when BMWs and sports cars were all the rage?

As for the idea of a "graduated" type of license, I don't think it's a bad idea at all. But should that concept not also be applied incrementally to sports cars as their performance increases as well? I personally don't think a teenager has any more business in a sports car or muscle car than many of you think a "soccer mom" has in a SUV.

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Report this Post12-09-2000 03:18 PM Click Here to See the Profile for vietnowSend a Private Message to vietnowDirect Link to This Post
but thats all in the same untouchable realm of drivers licenses.

its america remember?

teenagers in sports cars can be just as dangerous. but tell me this.

Im driving my celica, speeding like a maniac, up to 120, and i lose control, flip a few times maybe hit another car.

then compare casualties, with a soccer mom in a suburban talking on the cell phone while she reaches in the back to grab something away from her kids in the back, and wham, head on collision at 60mph.

Unless she hits a 18 wheeler, or another suburban, id say there all dead or seriously injured. the people in the other car too.

and im not talking about chances of cause danger. im talking about actual wrecks in SUVs compared to wrecks with smaller cars.

i dont care who is driving what, its just an SUV is much more dangerous in a wreck.

there. thats it, nothing more. I was never bashing SUV drivers, i simply said that they scare me with so many SUV's on the road here where i live its most likely a 75% chance i will get it or just get in a wreck with an SUV.


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Report this Post12-09-2000 03:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for vietnowSend a Private Message to vietnowDirect Link to This Post

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sorry, one more thing i forgot.


You SAID:

There's no garuantee that they would automatically be dead in a collision. More swriously injured? Perhaps. And they could very well be the ones responsible for the accident in the first place. Why should my family or I suffer the consequences of someone else's poor driving?


my POINT exactly. why should I be killed or seriously injured in a wreck caused by a person driving an SUV. THATS the danger im afraid of. there are so many wrecks now adays, i dont want to be a statistic.

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Report this Post12-09-2000 10:20 PM Click Here to See the Profile for streetracerSend a Private Message to streetracerDirect Link to This Post
as far as SUV's i dont care for them at all. I drive a dump truck and all i see on the road are these a**holes in there suv's that think they own the road. It's like the two go hand in hand, if youown an suv your an a**hole driver. i read on a report about land rovers that this lady paid $60,000 for her truck just because she was concerned what her neighbors would think if she drove out her driveway in anything else.

By the way i almost died on the highway this past summer on my motorcycle (Yamaha YZFR6) because some yuppie pulled directly into my lane throwing me over to the shoulder at about 70 mph

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