"It ought to be possible to establish a coordinated global program to accomplish the strategic goal of completely eliminating the internal combustion engine over, say, a twenty-five-year period." --Al Gore, "Earth in the Balance"

I hope you'll all vote accordingly.

One of many statements made by that fellow. I cannot understand why anyone would consider voting for him. Its time to clean the white house of all the corruption and lying. I hope the American people don't get talked into voting for Gore by the press.

Actually, he maybe right... and I don't feel it's entirely the government that's pushing or lobbying to eliminate the combustion engine. GM, Chrysler, Ford, and other manufacturers are seriously looking into fuel efficient hybrid diesel-electric cars worldwide possibly in the next 10 to 15 years. A couple hybrid cars are already in production! Consumers (people) are more and more and more interested in saving the environment and our natural resources, companies see that as marketing strategy and will produce cars people want to buy.

Now, don't doubt those cars... they'll probably smoke internal combustion engines once they are developed and affordible. The GM EV1 out accelerates a Miata in 0-60 and a few other performance cars! I had the chance to see a prototype EV1 (when it was called the impact) long before they were in production passing me at well over 100 mph on I-75 and about crapped my pants!

Combusion engines will always have their place, and I don't believe the government will pass laws to make them illegal anytime soon. You can think whatever you want from Gore's statement, but I think he was just reflecting the changes that will occur in the auto industry in the next 25 years regardless if the government is or isn't involved.

Just saying or hearing the name "Al Gore" brings laughter out of me. That guy is a joke. ChadMan, I'm with you on this one.

I feel sorry for you guys... You have a choice of Al W. Gore or George W. Bush.

It's like having to choose between Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber...

<puts on flame-suit>

I think more people are gonna agree with you on that than flame you, Cliff.. I know I feel the same way.

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Mike -
Black 86.5 GT 5 Spd, 150,000 miles and counting!
Red 84 Sport Coupe - winter donut maker

I may not be George Bush's biggest fan, but he's no Al Gore. There's that name again, hahaha.

Better be careful about what you say about Gore on the net... he invented it, ya know.

Roy

http://www.gorewillsayanything.com

This link is at the bottom of all Bush TV ads.

Do we want Gore, or Bush...sounds more like a choice you'd make when selecting a pay-per-view movie than a choice you'd make in a voting booth.

I'm not a big fan of Dubya, but I know Gore is a committed liberal who believes big government can solve anything. And the best way to get people out of their cars is to tax the hell out of gasoline and stop building new roads, and I'd bet money you'll see both measures if Gore wins.

I'm hearing the typical Republican B.S., putting down Gore by using statements out of context and making by ridiculing Gore. I want to hear why you think Bush would be better. He is a long time friend of big business and big money. Bush don't give a crap about saving the environment because that stands in the way of the almighty dollar. I'd rather be able to safely drink the water and see wild critters running around in old growth forests than to see the rich get richer and the environment get raped again, which is exactly what will happen if Bush is elected. If either one of the parties control both the congress and the presidency, we might be in for a rough time. It's better to have some checks and balances. I predict Gore to win. That's right, you heard it first right here. Most of the working class Americans are sick of the Republicans and their dirty character assasination games and muckraking compaigns. I do agree that neither candidate is ideal, but Gore is the lesser of the two evils.

Hey Chad,
"Do we want Gore, or Bush." Reminds me of an eye doctor flipping different lenses asking "better, or worse."

Bush may be ridiculing Gore, but what do you think Gore is doing? Its all the same stuff. Bash the other guy until it's time to vote, whoever appears worst on TV commercials loses.
Living in the city, I don't see many "wild" animals here, or get to enjoy ever seeing them. We do have the occasional deer in our yard, but the congested streets around here quickly fix that problem . Safe drinking water is easy to find, its on your grocery store shelves in clear plastic 20oz bottles . Isn't that what you meant when you said safe water .

Doesn't matter who wins, we're screwed either way. Only dilema is finding the candidate who will do the least amount of damage. I have never considered Clinton a strong leader, only reason he got re-elected was the booming economy, and everyone(including Clinton)placing the honors on Clinton.
These are my views, flame me if you want, I have my asbestos suit on.

I kinda like my old cars. Along with my Fiero, I have a 67 Buick Skylark conv, and a 61 Studebaker Lark VIII. I plan on getting my dad's 1959 Olds 98 (almost got him talked into selling it). If Algore gets into the top chair, I believe you can kiss any car without computer controlled emissions goodby. It will be just like the gun laws. You will become a felon without even doing a thing but letting the "left" in the country tell you what you can own, do, or even think. That is why when I vote this November, I'm going to pull the "Right" lever.

Just my 2cents worth.

I think Gore will win. I hate to see that but most Americans want the government to take care of them, make their decisions, tap the strategic oil reserves so they won't have higher energy bills. We are heading for socialism all the way with Gore so get ready.

Bush is not perfect by any means but he does not have the history of lying that Gore has and is not connected to the corrupt Clinton administration.

I'm voting for Ralph Nader,I'm sure he will do at least as good as either Bush or Gore,and probably better.I believe he is honest,which is more than I can say for the other two.

RALPH NADER?!?!?! Oh MY GOD!!!!

That guy is insane. He is the one who swiftly chopped the Corvair into nothing simply because it did bad in some crashes. I wouldn't vote for him just for that reason!! (j/k)

Also, he is in the tree hugger party ummm I mean Green Party. These people want to put millions of factory workers out of a job to save some spotted lady bugs....

Chadman, that was Dennis Millers joke!

Personally, I would vote for the lesser of two evils, G.W. Bush. Its sad that we have sunk to that level, but thats the way it is.
I am all for supporting the military and Clinton and his administration have made a mockery of the armed forces. They reduced the military by 50%, and increased their work by 300% ("peace keeping" missions - what a joke). Makes a lot of sense...

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'88 GT t-top 3.4
Baltimore, MD

I had a Corvair when he wrote the book"Unsafe at any speed".I also saw someone die in a Corvair because of exactly what he said.The steering box was only 4 inches behind the front bumper,so when the bumper collapsed the steering column was the next thing to go and it did.If you read the book,you will see that what he wrote was only done to protect you and me from some huge company that only cared about the bottom line(like Ford and Firestone).

Don't forget, you can always vote for Pat Buchanan! (sieg heil)

Personally, I go along with Hugh and vote green. I wish the Libertarian Party had enough support to fiel a viable presidential candidate, but we'll likely wind up with Gore. A pity, really. Clinton made for such good jokes!

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Loud Pipes Save Lives!

They're both freaks. It's a good thing your vote doesn't matter.

I say we all pool our money together and buy an island or something.

"If I'm elected president, I pledge to kick everyone who isn't me out of the country. As for the rest of you, would you really want to live in a country that voted me for president?"

-- Paid for by the person for Pontiaddict for president.

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For you guys have never heard Joe Walsh's song, Vote For Me (on the album Songs For a Dying Planet), check it out. It's funny. Joe sings that if you vote for him to be vice-president and was elected, do you know what he'd do? "Pretty much anything I wanted to!" He'd have a first class seat on Air Force One and an awesome pad in Washington. He'd get to play golf all day with heads-of-states... and if they brought beer, wouldn't that be great! "It's a funny thing about democracy... a vote for me is... a vote for me!"

Some of you are too young (Forum wise) to remember, but here it is again...

ANIMALS IN '00!!!! (That would me the Monkeyman and dogtired)

I've often wondered,what would it be like if someone that had no ties to money was leading the country.Imagine,if some idiot paid $70,000.00 for a hammer or toilet for a spacecraft and got his butt fired for shear stupidity.How about some congressman getting reamed and then fired for some project that benefited only a select few.If I was President I would appoint a special fire chief.By fire,I mean terminate.His job would be to check out any and all spending and eliminate any spending that was not in the best interest of our country.He could work on commission.

Black88GT, I'm sorry to have plagiarized Miller's joke - I thought it was the original joke of a guy from our MIS dept. here at work (and I didn't mind borrowing his humor).

Batboy, the fact is: Bush proposes $400 billion in new spending. Gore proposes $2.3 trillion. I don't give a crap how noble Gore's causes are - that's your money and my money, and I'd rather choose for myself how it gets spent. Bush believes in big business, and that's not good. Gore believes in big government - and that's just plain scary.

fiero56, stimpy, keep the faith - I have to believe the GOP will become less conservative and more libertarian as time goes on.

Hey! We're having a debate about controversial topics and nobody's calling names or going home mad! This is fun...
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You rat-bastard!!! I'm leaving! Mad, too!

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Lets get a poor southern redneck in office.. so what if he has sex with his kinfolk.. atleast he aint stupid nuff to spend so much money on some toilet paper

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Ray - Blue 88 Coupe
My Blue Knight - Carolina Fieros

To equate a vote for GW with a vote for your Fiero is silly. If you want the oil companys to control the country vote for him.
Al Gore never said he invented the internet.
He did say "I helped write and pass legislation that invented the internet" That is true!
This legislation provided the tax incentives and funding that created the infastructure that moved the internet from the limited area of the universitys and government into the private sector. In essence Al Gore is greatly responsible for the internet as we know it today. Do a little research and don't believe everything you hear.
Just hope that GW Bush doesn't get us involved in any kind of WARFOUR , or he will have to hold your pet BOSTON TERRORIST , HOSTAL until it,s over.
RATS , I hate political discusions BIG TIME

Why is it people think a republican president will get us into a war? Looking back it seems that the only wars started during republican presidencies were the Civil War, a few advisors sent to Vietnam with that war involving our guys sent into combat during Kennedy and Johnson, and the Gulf war lasting only 100 days with a pre-determined outcome stated at the start and completed. Now think of all the places our troops have been sent in the last 7 ½ years to baby-sit. The squandering of our military assets in the last 7 ½ years that took the previous 12 years of republican presidents to build up is a disgrace. We now have military planes crashing due to inexperienced pilots or not enough maintenance, subs and ships moth-balled, and low moral in all branches of the military. There is no way I would let my 18-year-old son come close to joining the service. (To keep the record straight, I was never in the service either) No wonder the oil countries thumb their noses at the US when Clinton sends his people over there to “beg” for more oil. We have nothing backing us up. Who would you like to have oversee the oil problems? A president who has been in the oil business most of his life, or one that wants to eliminate the internal combustion engine by higher taxes (you think $1.75 per gallon is high now, just wait) and forcing us into sub compact electric cars with environmentally hazaderous batteries. And by the way, where does that electricity for the cars come from? Coal burning plants (under fire by environmentalists), nucular(sp)power plants (don’t even want to start the fight over these), wind generators (kill birds by the thousands), hydro electric plants (how many more dams could ever be built), or solar (very cost prohibitive).

There, now that I have that out of my system, I’m going to waste some fossil fuel and go for a drive.

Wkayl, My point is that this is a international fiero forum. Lets call this the last U.S. political post. My reference to war was just GW,s fumbling tongue.
I,ll email you and discuse some politics , but it doesn't belong on the forum, This is about Fieros. This could be worse than religeon, D:

"So we all share the love for that little mid-engine sportscar.
Chances are we share more interests. This is the place for
totally off topic discussions!"

This is what it says the Totally O/T section is for. The first thing posted by ChadMan had to do with a political position. I just put in my 2 cents worth. If this isn't the place for this kind of dialogue, then where is? It is just like the liberal idea of free speech. If you agree with them you can say anything, but if you disagree, then it is hate speech or some other reason it shouldn't be allowed. I won't respond to any e-mail. If it cannot be said here, it need not be sent to me. I was just stating my point of view. If everyone agreed on everything, we all would be driving Fieros and there would be no need for elections.

Just my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Im a die hard extreme Republican/Conservative...I'll just leave it at that.

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JUST GET OUT THERE AND VOTE

They both suck, but you can choose the lesser of two evils.

Just a reminder, electric vehicles only displace the pollution. Thats power's got to come from somewhere.

"Energy is neither created nor destroyed"

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84 T-top
84 SE
86 SE V6 153K
2 86 GT's
86 GT 3.4 Pearl White T-top
2 88 GT's (twins)

However......
"Time is my most precious and most perishable of all my possessions."

Al Gore is an idiot. Who do you think trained him the last 8 years? Do we really need another CLinton in office?

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1984 Black SE Fiero

We dont need another Clinton, that much is obvious to all.. if it isn't, I'm stating it now! I'm not saying bush is the answer to the countrys problems. but atleast he could bring change to the whitehouse, I'm not saying all bad bout Gore.. but seriously folks, President Al Gore? Do we want the entire world laughing at us? Why cut the size of our armed forces in half, then go and double thier work load by helping all these countries which will for the most part have no way to repay us. ?????? Dont let the goverment repress our internal combustion selves. VOTE!

Payed for by Cliff For US President(as soon as he can be)

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Ray - Blue 88 Coupe
My Blue Knight - Carolina Fieros

My feelings about Shrub is that he is a dangerous idiot. I'm not a fan of Al Gore, but I surely don't think it is apropriate to say that he is a clone of Bill Clinton. This is a man who had a political career as a (second-generation) U.S. Senator. Being that it seems to me Gore and the Shrub are mirroring each other on major issues, this contest has much less to do with issues and party affiliation then it does with competance. Dubya makes me feel about as safe as Dan Quayle would.

Gore is a COMMUNIST @SS. Do you like your BILL of RIGHTS FREEDOMS ??? Don't vote for BIG BROTHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's just remember it was the rabid Republicans, whipped into a frenzy by idiotic smooth-talking liars like Rush Limbaugh, that spent millions of dollars of tax payers' money trying to prove Clinton had a marital affair in order to impeach him so that the Republicans would have a better shot at this election. Yes, he should of keep his little hotrod parked in the trouser garage, but it wasn't like Trickie Dickie Nixon's illegal activities that got him impeached.

If George W. wasn't the son of a former President, he wouldn't be getting any votes at all. Just watch what happens whenever GW opens his mouth. He sticks his foot into it. Yum, yum, athlete's tongue. His dad wasn't all that great of a president either except the rich got richer and the poor got poorer, just like under most Republican presidential administrations.

Everyone should be concerned about environmental issues. Even if you live in the city and drink bottled water. You still have to breathe the air. Bottled water! What a joke! I work in the department that regulates bottled water quality in our State (although I have nothing to do with that program). Until just a few years ago, the bottled water industry was virtually unregulated. Half the time, bottled water is no better than regular tap water. I've seen numerous actual lab results to back this up along with scientific studies. Regardless, they still have to bottle up that water somewhere and if all the environment is polluted, where are you going to even find a decent bottled water source. The bottled water company that operates here in Topeka buys it's raw water from the City of Topeka after it leaves the Topeka water treatment plant. Nothing else is done to it prior to bottling. It's the same exact water as city tap water which is pulled out of the Kansas River and treated. Yet I see people drinking it at a buck a bottle because "the tap water is unpure", hahaha!

The Republicans, including even Kansas senator Pat Roberts (I'm sad to say), want to relax the Drinking Water Standards by repealing the Clean Water Act that was passed in the 1970's, which has done so much for cleaning up U.S. streams and lakes. Maybe some of you are too young, but remember back in the 60's and early 70's when there was so much chemicals and pollution in the rivers that a couple of them actually caught on fire out east. We've come a long way and it's been tough cleaning up the rivers which are polluted by big business (and many farmers too, I'm sad to say), the same people that spend millions of dollars to hire lobbyists to corrupt politicans like George W. Bush into letting them pollute as much as they want. If big business would spend part of that money working to protect the environment instead of trying to buy politicans all the time, the country would be a better place.

HMMMMM, who has stretched the truth in the past to try to further his own political career in the past? Love Story, Love Canal, the Internet, mother-in-law and dog's drugs……………………………..

Remember, "Algore is a Risky Scheme"

This is my last post on this subject.

Batboy its a good thing you're into Fieros, because your political views are........
well, nevermind, to each his own.

Here's one reason. My money. My money, that I make, that I send more than half of to some form of government.

Algore wants to spend our current $2+ Trillion budget, plus the $1 Trillion "surplus," plus another $4 Trillion that a rich guy like me must have lying around, somewhere.... That's his manifest. And I've got a feeling that it will be buried in whatever his "legacy" becomes.

And don't talk to me about any Democrat and human rights. Not when we grant permanent trade relations to a country that persecutes, tortures, and kills people of faith (China).

I live in a state where the Republicans are actually Libertarians. That is, they sound conservative, fiscally, but they're just as liberal as the Democrats, socially. A few months ago, we had here a homosexual hoedown to discuss the mechanics of sex between two of the same gender, and twelve and fourteen year olds were invited. No punches were pulled in the area of graphic speech, and it was all under the guise of "safety" in the schools.

We just had a judge grant a TV a year of house arrest, after it had admitted to kidnapping and the aatempted rape of an 11 year old boy. If it weren't for two police officers who happened by, it would have been a rape. The judge called it a "very low level crime."

Yep, in Massachusetts, we're not only crushed under the weight of taxes....

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