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Are Stock Fieros Fading into Obscurity? by Dennis LaGrua
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When I peruse this forum I see numerous projects, custom work and engine swaps. I sometimes wonder if in a few years there will be any stock Fieros left. The Pontiac Fiero has been steadily moving into the 25 yr old Classic and Historic Collector Car category. In two more years all Fieros will be 25 years old and as such the remaining stock ones will probably need new engines and/or drivetrains.
We do not seem to be a car hobbiest community that restores our cars to the stock showroom condition preferring to modernize and modify our vehicles. Most Fieros seem to have new paint colors, different engines, upgraded interiors etc.
I wonder what percentage of Fieros are still in stock condition but the bigger question is: will any stock Fieros remain in the near future?

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Mine's going to stay stock (and before someone mentions it, I still consider it to be stock even though I put new air in the tires LOL). I figure, its my car, its only going to be stock once, and its a low-production model (there were, what, just a few thousand 88GTs only?). I didn't buy it for any investment value; I just think its an awesome little car from a very interesting period in GM's history. I'll leave the modding for the other guys.
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Report this Post07-23-2011 10:18 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 2farnorthSend a Private Message to 2farnorthDirect Link to This Post
I have a couple of stock ones here. One will remain that way at least as long as I'm alive.... The other may not. Depends on when or how opportunity knocks.
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That is exactly the goal for my 86GT. I did put a 3.4 in it but you can make that look stock. Also, I have an upgraded radio w/ a cd but that looks stock. I feel the charm of the Fiero is the way it was on the showroom floor.
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I have an 88 Formula with 80k - it's all stock and will remain that way as long as I have anything to say about it. It has been my daily driver and has gone through 2 teenage boys - it is the most reliable car that I own. In a few weeks, I will be rehabing the interior - worn seats, sagging headliner, ect. Just needs a face lift - recently repainted it factory red. If the motor goes, I will rebuild a 2.8 or do a 3.4 to retain the "stock" look.
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My 84 looks bone stock but the rims. Not even a spoiler! Nice and sleek just the way it was from the factory. I get tons of complements on it and just won 3rd place at a hagerty and hemmings car show.
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Bolt on body panels are both a blessing and a curse. The car is popular because it is so easily modified, and that's great, but when you realize how many cars are left, stock examples become rare and more important to the collectors. A good example of that is the Formula, which was a favorite chassis for kit cars.... total build of 5632 (I think), half of those being 5-speeds. There must be no more than 40% of them left in running order, and maybe 30% are stock or close to stock.....so if you want a stock 5-speed Formula, you may be picking from a batch of about 1000 cars. It's surprising to me that the prices have stayed so low, but I expect that will change soon.
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My 87 GT has been kept stock which isn't a challange as long as it stays away from collisions. It has had many replacement mechanical parts as I do drive it. But the engine has been untouched.
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I look at them like the old coupes from the 30s and 40s. Most became custom rides and a few stay stock but they just look and drive bettor custom. Even a lot of Muscle cars are getting updated these days.
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Report this Post07-23-2011 12:36 PM Click Here to See the Profile for mattwaClick Here to Email mattwaSend a Private Message to mattwaDirect Link to This Post
I think I'll have maybe one Fiero to keep as a "Stock" example, but quite honestly I'm not really a fan of stock anything...most likely due to my age of course.

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Originally posted by F355spider:

I look at them like the old coupes from the 30s and 40s. Most became custom rides and a few stay stock but they just look and drive bettor custom...".


I tend to agree with you.

Except for a few holes for driving lights and alarm system and a couple of nondestructive mods that can easily be undone, my '88 with less than 10K on the clock is stock. I would hate to drive it around with stock wheels and tires on it though, it deserves better.

To Dennis's point, my '88 is 23 years old this year, in 1992 (1969+23) people were just starting to think about the value of a late '60s muscle car.


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Report this Post07-23-2011 01:34 PM Click Here to See the Profile for madcurlClick Here to Email madcurlSend a Private Message to madcurlDirect Link to This Post
Obscurity? Yes. My friends drive only tweaked Fieros.

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Report this Post07-23-2011 01:38 PM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneDirect Link to This Post
Answer--no.

I've had 5--all remained stock. Have 2 now--still stock Indys.
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Except for the club stickers, mine remains totally stock and unrestored. Suspension has been maintained recently.



Collector plate status in my location requires even the stock radio, and any pedal covers and bling accessories removed.
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Report this Post07-23-2011 02:12 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fiammaClick Here to Email fiammaSend a Private Message to fiammaDirect Link to This Post
My 87gt is stock and staying that way. But I like seeing what people do with their cars.
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If I had a lot of money, and a huge garage, I would own two of everything worth owning A stock fiero, and the one I have now. A stock delorean, and the car I think it should have been, etc.

Since I'm not rich, and I don't have a huge garage, I make cars what I want them to be. A car like the fiero in my opinion doesn't usually bring high dollars and therefore I'm not worried about keeping it original.

That said, when I 16 with my fiero I was all about the chop-top, F355 nose, IRM rockers, big wingstands for the spoiler, mustang hood scoop on the decklid, vented from hood, etc etc. I didn't even like the 84-86 bumper pads, didn't car much for the 87-88 coupes either, and was just ok with the aero notchbacks (I have a fastback BTW)

Now, at 26, I want the benefits of a vented hood, I plan to delete my spoiler altogether, (I think the fastback's without spoilers are uber sexy), lower it, aftermarket wheels and done. I don't care for any of that other stuff anymore. The stock lines of the fiero are just fine to my eyes these days. I like each body style more now than I did then, just lower them, and bigger wheels and I'm good. especially when the wheels are staggered one inch larger in the back. Stock lines are great to me.
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Report this Post07-23-2011 02:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Jake_DragonSend a Private Message to Jake_DragonDirect Link to This Post
I use to see Fieros all the time, now more and more the only one I see is the one in my driveway.
Stock Fieros may still be around but very few people drive one every day.
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I just sold my stock 1985 GT with 37,000 miles on it. Could not get any interest here on the forum, so I sold it on e-bay. I think there is a small cult of people, within the Fiero community that like to keep them stock, but the majority like to modify them in some way.

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There is nothing wrong with a nice stock Fiero, they make a better platform for your chop top

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Dennis, I thought about your prediciment a few years ago, and yes...there are fieros that are being swap with bigger engine and numerous modifiyed projects.

I have an 88GT that was stored since 1995 and I love the fact that seeing parts with tags on them are still stuck to the swaybars & coil springs. Even wondering if the engine was out at one time before 1995. Its hard to say. Even questioning if the distributor was out or was the car ever timed since it left the factory.

I will continue to keep it original and only a summer car. The paint would need to be re-done, but besides that...nothing. I didn't replace all bushings front and rear, end-links, front 4 ball-joints, rack bushing, and inner & outter tie-rods, and front shocks & rear struts. Those things need to be done to retain the handling if you want a really, really good driving fiero. And alignment to top it off.

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What is this stock you speak of?
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why stock because i have no money to spend a no back to do the work with. chop tops sure are the bomb.
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Report this Post07-23-2011 06:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FieroG97JClick Here to Email FieroG97JSend a Private Message to FieroG97JDirect Link to This Post
STOCK ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Herr Pennock has been asked a time or two about a "Stock Only" forum, but he must be in the Mod Squad too. Maybe someone with the knowhow (not me) could start a Stock Group on Yahoo or smewhere similar.
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Dennis you know me 100% 1984 stock including a 1984 Thompson Twins Into the Gap cassette
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i prefer to mod them, but a stock fiero lowered and with aftermarket wheels looks good too.

No they are not fading into obscurity,,,,plenty of guys who still prefer stock.
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Nothing wrong with stock, nothing wrong with modifying. Though, I do like the stock body best and I am a Formula obsessive Fiero owner. All but one of my Formulas/Coupes have had a engine/drive line conversion. My one stock Formula is a CJB Formula. It has remained stock for one reason, it's an original CJB car. Though, I have considered a 3.4 P/R swap in it. It mostly just sits there and looks pretty. Needs to be driven more though. But, it's impossible for me to drive all of them.

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The low mileage original cars will probably be saved, but most of the daily driver types will either be used up, wrecked, parted, or modded.
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My concern is not those Fiero that necessarily stay stock - a little modding is fine - but rather those that have been lost to major kit car projects or trikes. Many, MANY, kit car projects are started that are never finished. Nevermind the fact that many that make the attempt to build kit cars use perfectly good Fieros, tear them completely down, only to never finish them, and then send them off for scrap.

I don't think one should be concerned necessarily over all the modding that the Fiero community is doing but rather be concerned about more and more still being used for kits. There are those out there that still only see the Fiero as a means to create a kit car. I do feel though there are builders out there that are starting to see better options for kit cars. Porsche Boxters are now starting to be used, as you can find them relatively 'cheap' and they make good mid-engined kit car platforms. Even the last gen MR2s are being used.
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Originally posted by beken:

Except for the club stickers, mine remains totally stock and unrestored. Suspension has been maintained recently.



What year is it? I thought the black bumpers were only used in 84, which of course only offered the 4cyl, yet yours shows '2m6'.
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Originally posted by blackrams:
My one stock Formula is a CJB Formula. It has remained stock for one reason, it's an original CJB car. Though, I have considered a 3.4 P/R swap in it. It mostly just sits there and looks pretty. Needs to be driven more though. But, it's impossible for me to drive all of them.



CJB?

Also: Bumper Pad Fieros were built in 85 and 86.
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What year is it? I thought the black bumpers were only used in 84, which of course only offered the 4cyl, yet yours shows '2m6'.


As mentioned, black bumpers were used from '84-'86. Also in '85 and '86, you could order a "2M6", which was a bumper-pad car with the L44 V6. The "2M6" is falling into relative obscurity (pun intended) because many do not know that the bumper pad cars could come with V6s, so they're consistently being written off as cheap four cylinder cars.
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We do not seem to be a car hobbyist community that restores our cars to the stock showroom condition preferring to modernize and modify our vehicles. Most Fieros seem to have new paint colors, different engines, upgraded interiors etc.
I wonder what percentage of Fieros are still in stock condition but the bigger question is: will any stock Fieros remain in the near future?


Depends on the owners, I know of a hand full of owners that have Fiero's in Factory fresh condition. There are many 200 mile or lower.

I've kept my 88 Formula stock as possible, swapped radio for Pontiac Monsoon cd (looks stock) and Mr Mikes leather seats. A few years ago, I had it repainted, w/ decal's to it's original color. I'm proud to keep it this way. It's my daily driver w/ over 111k miles.



My 87 GT is 100% stock & original everything. Factory fresh, with 1,760 miles. Will it remain this way ? As long as I own it, yes.
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All I know is that all of the stock fanatics in our area have pretty much nothing to do with this forum, whether it's age or not being Internet savvy or whatever. They don't post on here. Stock Fieros are alive and well in the state of MN.
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Report this Post07-24-2011 03:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Dennis LaGruaClick Here to Email Dennis LaGruaSend a Private Message to Dennis LaGruaDirect Link to This Post
The importance of keeping some Fieros completely stock is to preserve the original design of the vehicle. I forgot what is was like to drive a completely stock Fiero long ago. Since I enjoy having more horsepower under the hood, I modify just about everything BUT I have one stock 87GT (89K miles) and may decide to keep it that way. There are probably many stock Fieros but this forum seems to attract the racers, hotrodders and customizers.
Stock Fieros may not fade into obscurity but they sure seem to be getting scarce.

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Originally posted by Gall757:


CJB?




See: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...110502-2-098929.html

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I have a 22K mile stock 86 GT.....and it will be staying that way. I've been down the modding & engine swap road, and got my fill of it. I love to watch others do it, but I'm done with it.
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A lot of the people who have stock cars, and who aren't on this forum, probably don't really have any need to be, if they keep their cars well maintained, and know anything about how to deal with them, or just take them to a shop to fix up. They don't need to know how to install a 3800, bolt it up to a manual trans, install the 7730 ECM, etc…

Though, there is also a lot you can do, and have the car still look like it's totally stock. But unless it's a rare car, I think most people don't have any real incentive to keep it a stock numbers matching car.
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Originally posted by exoticse:
a stock fiero lowered and with aftermarket wheels


Is this possible?
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Is this possible?


It's not logical. Any change from stock is by definition, not stock.

That said, lowered with nice wheels, does look nice. Even with the stock 86-88 GT wheels looks nice lowered. Closing the gap in the wheel weels does wonders for the Fiero's look.
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Report this Post07-24-2011 07:37 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fieroboy_gtClick Here to Email fieroboy_gtSend a Private Message to fieroboy_gtDirect Link to This Post
Def way more stock fieros. For every 50 i see in maine an there are quite a rew in my area there all stock excepr mine an one other guy.
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