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This is FYI for everyone.............http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/business/conn-cars-being-damaged-by-bad-gasoline
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My check engine light for the past several months lights up whenever I frequent the local Chevron station in Gilroy and in Morgan Hill, CA. The check light pops on whenever I'm going up a steep hill (like on 152 Pacheco pass or 58 up Arvin hill) and I hear "binging" like the engine is being starved. I try not to get gas whenever there's a tanker unloading its contents, but sometimes you might arrive right after, so I carry a bottle of octane boost in the trunk.

In town there are no issues, but I decided to experiment. I started using the Shell station across the street and since then I have no issues. I'm not sure if it was the formula being used for the winter, but last week I used the same Chevron that was causing the problem, but now the check engine light doesn't come on. I avoid ARCO because their gas too causes my check light to come on. Anyway, I guess other motorist are having issues with several gas stations, but there not located in CA.

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My check engine light for the past several months lights up whenever I frequent the local Chevron station in Gilroy and in Morgan Hill, CA. The check light pops on whenever I'm going up a steep hill (like on 152 Pacheco pass or 58 up Arvin hill) and I hear "binging" like the engine is being starved. I try not to get gas whenever there's a tanker unloading its contents, but sometimes you might arrive right after, so I carry a bottle of octane boost in the trunk.

In town there are no issues, but I decided to experiment. I started using the Shell station across the street and since then I have no issues. I'm not sure if it was the formula being used for the winter, but last week I used the same Chevron that was causing the problem, but now the check engine light doesn't come on. I avoid ARCO because their gas too causes my check light to come on. Anyway, I guess other motorist are having issues with several gas stations, but there not located in CA.

http://www.nbcconnecticut.c...tions-124030444.html

Shell (at least around where i live ) is said to have the best quality of gas in the industry.

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Wawa gas (local convince store) just started selling gas not to long ago. reasonably priced but its said you lose 3MPG for every gallon you pump from them.
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In my own experience bad gas is from station to station, not brand of gas. Possibly do to contaminants or moisture in the tanks, I also hear you don't want to fill up just before they get a gas delivery, or during delivery. Reason is said to be that contaminants are stirred up during delivery, and they are concentrated more at the bottom of the underground tank when they are just about to get a delivery. Theories but make sense to me.
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In my own experience bad gas is from station to station, not brand of gas. Possibly do to contaminants or moisture in the tanks, I also hear you don't want to fill up just before they get a gas delivery, or during delivery. Reason is said to be that contaminants are stirred up during delivery, and they are concentrated more at the bottom of the underground tank when they are just about to get a delivery. Theories but make sense to me.


Just myths really. There is plenty of filtering in the in-ground tank itself, filters in the pumps, and the filters in your car's fuel system. Water moisture and other solubles would be more of a problem, than plain dirt in the in-ground tank. And there's probably just as much fluid disturbance when dumping 500 gallons of fuel from the tanker trunk, as there is when 10 people are all there filling up, and the pumps are sucking gas every direction. They're also sealed systems, and the chance for contamination is pretty small, unless the guy filling the tanks isn't doing his job right. But odds are if it's a station selling 10% ethanol based gas, you likely have more contamination in the stock Fiero tank, than they have in their huge in-ground tank.
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I believe he did say "contaminants or moisture in the tanks" I'd bet those filters in most mini-marts aren't changed out as they should be and some are probably MIA
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There are two grades of gasoline sold in the USA and Canada- standard and Top Tier Gasoline. Top Tier is the best. Here is who sells Top Tier gasoline:
USA and Canada Retailers
76 Stations
Chevron Canada
Aloha Petroleum Esso
Chevron PetroCanada
Conoco Shell Canada
Country Mark Sunoco Canada
Entec Stations
Exxon
Holiday Stationstores, Inc.
Kwik Trip / Kwik Star
MFA Oil Co.
Mileage Stations
Mobil
Phillips 66
Quik Trip
Rebel Oil
Road Ranger
Severson Oil
Shell
Texaco
The Somerset Refinery, Inc.
Tri-Par Oil Co.
U.S. Oil

Notice that Gulf, Sunoco and BP are not on the list. I believe WaWa sells Chevron gasoline so it should be good.
I look at whos selling gas in my area and in some of these places they have shady characters that look like they are selling piss. Before you "piss up" your Fiero check out all the online info on Top Tier gasoline. I use mainly Shell Gasoline

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Bad gasoline in Ferndale disables motorcycles during weekend charity ride

A group of motorcyclists taking part in a ride benefiting the Make-A-Wish Foundation Sunday, May 1, said their motorcycles were disabled after filling up with bad gasoline at a Shell station on Haxton Way near the Silver Reef Casino.

The motorcyclists were taking part in the Skagit Valley Wings Lime Run, which started in Burlington and included a check-in point at the Silver Reef Casino.

Lynden resident Rod "Dutch" Smithson had just filled up his Harley-Davidson with premium gasoline about noon when his motorcycle began sputtering and barely running. He was able to make it as far as the casino parking lot before turning off his Harley.

"My friend pulled up after me with the same problem," he said, adding that five to six more riders pulled into the casino parking lot with their engines sputtering.

Smithson and his fellow riders quickly realized it had to do with the gasoline. They returned to the gas station, and the employees gave them the materials to siphon the gas from their tanks. What came out was a "solid, black sludge" and "pond-like water with little black floaties," Smithson said.

The Shell station refunded money to Smithson and the other riders.

"The people working at the gas station did everything they could for us," rider Gerrit Vis said.

Vis estimated that about 12 to 14 motorcycles were disabled by the bad gasoline.

McEvoy Oil Co. supplies the gas at that station, which is located at 4884 Haxton Way. The company's president, Tim McEvoy, did not return calls for comment Tuesday, May 3. Calls to the gas station were not answered.

Smithson and other riders said their calls have not yet been returned by anyone from Shell or McEvoy Oil.

This is at the second time within the last few years that motorists have reported bad gasoline from pumps in the Ferndale area.

In 2008, at least six drivers found their vehicles disabled by fuel contamination after getting gas at the Ferndale Shell station on Main Street. That gas also came from McEvoy Oil.

The state Department of Agriculture, which monitors gasoline quality, does not have any record of complaints against McEvoy Oil, according to public information officer Mike Louisell.

On Tuesday, Gregory Head, owner of Mt. Baker Harley-Davidson, said he had two of the motorcycles being repaired at his shop. Two other motorcycles were at Skagit Harley-Davidson in Burlington, and at least two more were at Downtown Harley-Davidson in Renton.

"There was definitely water in the gas, and some kind of brownish particles in the gas," Head said.

His technicians were cleaning out the bikes' fuel systems. Because the owners shut down their motorcycles right away, there was no serious damage. The estimated cost of repairs was about $100 each, Head said.

Riders Ralph and Kim Stuart, who live in Renton, said they hope their Harleys will be as easy and inexpensive to fix.

They dropped off their 2009 Harley Screamin Eagle Ultra Classic and 2002 Harley Heritage Softail for repairs Tuesday afternoon.

The repair men "were flabbergasted when we showed them the pictures of what we got out of the tanks," Ralph Stuart said. "Their jaws just dropped."
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Is name-brand gas worth the extra cost?

Roy Crowley of West Palm Beach, Fla., like many motorists, tends to buy gasoline at name-brand stations, figuring it's worth a few extra cents per gallon to get a higher-quality product. But is it really?

"The price difference between one brand and another can be substantial," Crowley said. "Is there really a difference?"

The answer: It depends on whom you ask.

If you ask someone who sells Shell gas, for example, that person would point to the brand's expensive advertising campaign that touts the fact that "Shell V-Power premium gasoline boasts the highest concentration of the patented Shell Nitrogen Enriched cleaning system, with five times the amount of cleaning agents required by federal government standards."

What does that mean and does that make it the best?

The readers of Popular Mechanics just voted Shell as the best gas for the second year in the row, so somebody is paying attention to all that nitrogen-enriched advertising.

But the answers are more complicated than a magazine poll can answer.

The impression of many motorists is that certain brands of gasoline are refined at their own refineries — that Shell gas is Shell gas from the minute it is derived from crude oil. But this is seldom the case.

In fact, gasoline is gasoline as it flows through the pipeline to a terminal, where it is picked up by various tanker trucks. That is where Shell, for instance, becomes Shell — when the additive package is mixed into the gasoline. Other brands have their own exclusive, top-secret additive packages, most of which contains the brand's proprietary formula for detergents.

But off-brand gasoline, sold by small or independent dealers, gets an additive package too, likely a generic one developed by the company that owns the terminal.

Think of Kool-Aid — it all starts with the same water, until different packages are poured into the water to make a special flavor.

And in the case of gasoline, standard grades — from regular to premium to high octane — must all meet federal guidelines set by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

There's little doubt, though, that the cheapest gas is seldom sold by the major oil companies. According to GasBuddy.com, in Crowley's West Palm Beach neighborhood, RaceTrac and Murphy USA, two relatively minor players, recently priced regular gas at a full 10 cents per gallon less than Shell.

That said, there is an amalgamation of gasoline brands beneath the "Top Tier" banner (www.toptiergas.com). Six auto manufacturers — BMW, General Motors, Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen and Audi — tout Top Tier gas suppliers. Their contention is, as Top Tier says, the "current EPA minimum detergent requirements do not go far enough to ensure optimal engine performance. Currently, many gasoline retailers provide fuels with lower-quality additive packages that can build up deposits on fuel injectors and on intake valves."

So the Top Tier brands, of which Shell is one, pledge that they will exceed the EPA minimums. Top Tier claims that "many gasoline retailers provide fuels with lower-quality additive packages that can build up deposits on fuel injectors and on intake valves. Others can build up deposits in combustion chambers and may lead to intake valve sticking. These lower levels of additives can have negative impacts on engine performance and vehicle responsiveness."

So what are the Top Tier retailers? Many are regional chains; some are national. Among them: 76, Phillips 66, Chevron, QuikTrip, Conoco, Shell, Exxon, Texaco and Mobil.

But is Top Tier gas worth the extra money? I asked the manager of a major fuel pipeline terminal in Florida that handles most brands of gasoline — he asked to remain nameless so as to not offend any of his clients—what brand he uses. "Whatever is the cheapest," he said.

WHICH IS BEST?

Most every gas pump presents three choices to motorists — regular, mid-grade or premium.

Which also means three separate prices, and it can be a challenge to figure out which grade is right for your vehicle. Your best reference is the owner's manual. If your vehicle is approved to run on regular, it will unless something is wrong. If you hear a knocking, or the engine "diesels" — meaning it keeps running, very roughly, for a few moments after you turn the key off — then you need to visit a mechanic. The engine's timing cycles may be off, or there could be a carbon buildup inside the cylinders.

That said, many experts suggest that even if your vehicle is approved for regular gas, running a tankful of premium through it every fourth fill-up or so is a good idea, as premium gas does a better job of cleaning cylinders. It can also generate a little more power in select engines — the V-8 that Hyundai uses in the Genesis and Equus is rated at 385 horsepower on premium gas, 378 on regular.

Typically, regular has 87 octane, mid-grade 89 and premium 91, 92 or 93, depending on the brand. Adding ethanol raises the octane, but ethanol decreases fuel mileage.
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Originally posted by 2.5:

In my own experience bad gas is from station to station, not brand of gas. Possibly do to contaminants or moisture in the tanks, I also hear you don't want to fill up just before they get a gas delivery, or during delivery. Reason is said to be that contaminants are stirred up during delivery, and they are concentrated more at the bottom of the underground tank when they are just about to get a delivery. Theories but make sense to me.


If this is the case you need to complain to the state because every pump is supposed to have a water trap AND fuel filter. If they are filling the tanks it should not make any difference as the pleated paper filter should remove anything they are stirring up and a water separator is supposed to be getting rid of any water. The only way these places are forced to change their filters is from complaints.

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"His technicians were cleaning out the bikes' fuel systems. Because the owners shut down their motorcycles right away, there was no serious damage. The estimated cost of repairs was about $100 each, Head said."

Harleys dont have fuel filters? Glad I dont own one. At least yamaha has TWO fuel filters. One screen and one pleated paper filter. I can put a handfull of dirt in the tank and it will not harm my engine. It will stop running from the filter plugging, but it will not get past the filter. and the $100 for repairs is a ripoff.. Remove tank and empty it, rinse it out with clean gas... well if they dont have fuel filters then a carb cleaning as well.

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