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Synthetic motor oil? by chrishahn87
Started on: 06-09-2011 10:05 PM
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Feel like learning something? Sit back and read, This will explain anything you could ever think to ask about oil.

Motor Oil by Dr. Haas
http://ferrarichat.com/foru...wthread.php?t=136052

Edit to add: Page 2!

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Originally posted by Fiero_Fan_88:

Motor Oil by Dr. Haas
http://ferrarichat.com/foru...wthread.php?t=136052


 
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... Motor Oil University ...



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Originally posted by Marvin McInnis:



My apologies for the repost, I typically don't look at the links people post.
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No apology necessary. It looks like the version posted at my link has been edited to be slightly less Ferrari-centric.
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And not to mention this will ALWAYS be a hot topic...people on both sides can be very passionate about what they think. Just always take what you hear/read and make your own decision. On just about anything, I tend to believe real peoples experience over whats in a book or an official study.

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i see an over abundance of information on this thread...
K.I.S.S. (keep it simple STUPID!)
when your oil gets dirty that means your filter is done(all the oil is bypassing the clogged filter) SO CHANGE EM BOTH!
this 3000 mile crap is exactly that... CRAP!
and use a good filter that actually filters oil... FRAM IS CRAP! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQahONrRwHQ
fram and pennzoil... the two engine tools of destruction http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfW8W3sjbto
really, you wont notice any difference between synthetic and dino oil... i just tore into my engine after using mobile 1 for 30k miles on a motor that had 150k miles to start with... (timing chain worn out)
now camshaft wear = perfectly fine! nothing wrong with my flat tappet cam! anyone wanna chime in here and make up some crock and bull story about synthetics tearing up camshafts be my guest... i know you are wrong!
i do like the fact that the sludge was slowly but surely being removed from my engine since i got a hold of it and actually changed/ inspected my oil regularly... you can definitely tell where the sludge has settled and where it has melted off of most of my internals... like for instance the intake plenum... that pan underneath it is completely full of sludge, but you can look in my crankcase and wont find a lick of the crap...
on a side note, i did notice that i have a camshaft bearing that either spun or was improperly installed because the oil hole is about 30* off but thats my new problem and dont attribute that to synthetic oil.

wix 51036 filter = $4.22 (rockauto)
valvoline 1qt = $3.69 (local farm&fleet) with this you have to pay a common sense fee of $0.10


fram ph3980 = $4.12 (rockauto)
pennzoil 1qt = $3.69 (farm&fleet) with this combo you get FREE engine wear!


oh, and just noticed the OEM ACDelco PF52 is only 2.98 on rockauto...
edited to be back on topic....

anyway, you probably wont know a difference between dino oil and synthetic oil. just run the valvoline regular and a good wix filter...
dino oil has been around forever, never really had any problems why change something that works perfect

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Originally posted by rogergarrison:

And not to mention this will ALWAYS be a hot topic...people on both sides can be very passionate about what they think. Just always take what you hear/read and make your own decision. On just about anything, I tend to believe real peoples experience over whats in a book or an official study.



yep, exactly... and usually its us geeky types that go to college to get a degree in motor oil who think we have the correct mindset about the stuff. i seriously have to stop and tell myself that my college professor also told me that its impossible for an engine to last past 150k miles on conventional because thats what it is designed and warranteed to do. (this is where people with more than 150k on their fiero chime in)
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Experience does count for something but you still need to keep up with the changes.

I warranty a lot of cams for people with a lot of old time experience who had no idea the oils had changed. They want to blame the cam but the truth is their lack of knowledge did them in.

There are more things coming. The new Oils GM is promoting are not the same as the rest. They have qualities that promote longer times between. The issues not addressed yet are how the oil companies will deal with this change. They will have to make different oild and pay a GM licence fee that both will add to the cost of the oil. GM for the most part is looking to improve the oil but also make new income from the licencing fee and also they hope to drive people to dealers for oil changes.

GM at this point has not said how they will inforce warranties but you can be sure at some point if the wrong oil is in they will question the claim.

Talk is that many of the oil companies may make oils similar to the tranny fluids where it will work in all MFG. At this point nothing is being done and the industry has had to take a look at it.

So while experience is a help you still need to read and keep informed as too often there is a price to pay.

I see issues with many parts on todays cars because people don't keep up. Brake isses and electronic issue because they keep wanting to do things the way they have learned and done for years. I see it daily with wasted money and damaged parts because that is not how I do this. If I hear "I have been a ASE mechanic for 30 years and I know what I am doing" it will be too soon.

Some people with experience alone can be too smart for their own good. Keeping up and experience are dance partners and they are worthless with out each other. What may have true 5 years ago may be of no use today.

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Originally posted by hyperv6:

Some people with experience alone can be too smart for their own good. Keeping up and experience are dance partners and they are worthless with out each other. What may have true 5 years ago may be of no use today.



Very well said.

I always give more credence to someone who can explain why he/she has formed an opinion. "I've always done it this way" is seldom a good answer; what may have worked well in the past may or may not be appropriate today.
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Originally posted by Marvin McInnis:

I always give more credence to someone who can explain why he/she has formed an opinion. "I've always done it this way" is seldom a good answer;...


but I always form an opinion this way...

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