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Well, it seems that Top Line Group (TLG) has picked my 87GT for their year long sponsorship campaign. I am opening up this thread to showcase TLG products. This thread will be updated with pics and info throught the year. TLG is run by a forum member that goes by the screen name Oslo. I have purchased from TLG in the past, and have found that their products, packageing, and shipping have continously been top notch. TLG is also a Pennock's sponsor, and is actively involved in the Fiero community.

During this sponsorship program, I will be recieving and installing several TLG products to showoff:

1. HID Conversion Kit................................ http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho..._id=13&category_id=2
2. LED Dome Light Conversion Kit.............. http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho..._id=16&category_id=2
3. LED Floor Courtesy Conversion Kit......... http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho..._id=15&category_id=2
4. Center Console subwoofer plate.............. http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho...t_id=3&category_id=2
5. Auxiliary triple gauge panel..................... http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho..._id=23&category_id=2
6. Corvette C6 exhaust tips......................... http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho...t_id=2&category_id=2
7. CS-X3 Air Freshener............................... http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho...t_id=5&category_id=2


















My 87GT




To say that I am excited is a true understatement. I have already purchased, and installed the TLG Stealth Wingstands. They give my GT a low profile look, without being overstated. I have always thought that the 80's wing on the Fiero needed something, and TLG came up with it.



Stock GT wingstands:


http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho..._id=19&category_id=2
TLG Stealth wingstands:






http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho..._id=15&category_id=2
http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho..._id=16&category_id=2
I went ahead and installed the LED lighting that TLG offers. The drivers side is complete in the next pic. It gives a great comparison of the difference between filament bulbs, and the LED lighting kits:


With all LED lighting installed:


I am planning on swapping out the bulbs in my trunk, engine bay, and spare tire well. I really like the look of the updated lighting.

Please feel free to leave any questions, or comments. This thread will be updated as the install progresses. I have already installed the HID lightinging on my GT. Pics will follow soon. The HID lighting is a direct plug and play system. It is as easy as changing the stock bulbs out, and connecting the easy to understand harness. I went from Sylvania Silver Stars, which are a nice upgrade from the stock lights, to installing the Xenon kit. I won't be going back any time soon. The light output is just amazing.

Thanks for looking,

Tony

[This message has been edited by Tony Kania (edited 02-12-2010).]

Congrats on winning the sponsorship. Your Fiero looks pretty sweet, too.

Your car looks good!

Those wingstands are subtle, but awesome. I wonder if something like that could be done for the notch, like my pace car.

I've been wondering about their plug-and-play HID kits... How is the light output vs cutoff pattern? I've been blinded far too many times by people around here driving their imports with the eBay kits.

Just wondering if the quality here is any different. Nice GT by the way I hope to get my car to show-quality at some point.

I see several things I wouldn't mind getting. The gauge cluster, LED lighting and stealth wingstands all look fantastic. I'm glad you've won the sponsorship and jumped in feet first. Very nice work!

Now, time to browse the TLG site...

Thanks for the compliments! I love my GT.

I will definately be posting up pics of everything as the install progresses. I did install the lights, but I had problems with the 20 plus year old headlight brackets. After solveing that issue, I landed up breaking off one of the headlight adjusters. I did get to inspect the light output after installing them, and I am very happy with it. I just was not able to adjust them properly, and don't want to post pics until they are properly aimed. I plan on compareing the light output to Amy's 04 Audi A6 with Xenon lamps. I believe that the Audi lamps are going to be a nice comparison to judge the TLG lamps by. The Audi has the most amazing lights of any car that I have ever owned. After I get the adjuster fixed, I wil positively post up some pics.

Once again, I would really like to thank Oslo, and TLG for their support of our passion. It is an honor to represent TLG, and I plan on doing a damn fine job at it.
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[This message has been edited by Tony Kania (edited 02-09-2010).]

Where did you get that cup holder setup at?

quote Originally posted by skuzzbomer: I've been wondering about their plug-and-play HID kits... How is the light output vs cutoff pattern? I've been blinded far too many times by people around here driving their imports with the eBay kits. Just wondering if the quality here is any different. Nice GT by the way I hope to get my car to show-quality at some point.

Skuzzbomer - to answer your question I should clarify that there is no way to measure "light output" in terms of power and "cutoff pattern" as they are unrelated.

To create a cutoff in the light output the lens needs to have some type of shield integrated in the light (most commonly used in projector lamps) and there is no replacement housing for the Fiero that has this availalbe therefore there will be no cutoff line associated with our HID conversion kit. In order to get the cutoff line you would need to buy Fiero1Fan's quad projector headlight kit.

In short, there is no cut-off. The light output style will be similar to that of a standard halogen housing but with much more light output. If you have comments or questions about what constitutes legality with HID headlights, please search the forum for a few heated discussions. I ask politely if you do not agree with personally installing this type of mod that you direct the condemning comments to a relevant thread, or PM me directly. Thanks!

quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: After solveing that issue, I landed up breaking off one of the headlight adjusters. I did get to inspect the light output after installing them, and I am very happy with it. I just was not able to adjust them properly, and don't want to post pics until they are properly aimed.

If you need adjuster clips, both Rockauto and Rodney Dickman sell them. I'm sure you already knew this though.

Skuzzboomer: Thanks for the info on the adjuster screws. Tomorrow I am going to play out in the garage, and find the issue. I think that the screw assembly pulled out of the bucket side? I will know more tomorrow.
No need to apologize. Valid questions, get valid answers. I need to fix the adjuster. It was operater error, not product malfunction. I tightened it too much, and it broke. I have not been able to get back to the car to finish the adjustments. I will post pics when done. I do want to say that the build quality on the lighting system is awesome. The connectors are of great quality, and the system as a whole does not look or feel like junk. I am very proud to have this system in my car.

KurtAKX: Here is a pic of a silver notchie with the TLG Stealth stands. (I really like the 18" Audi rims. We have those on Amy's A6, and they are in need of refinishing this spring.)


Nilknarf: I bought the cup holder from Oriley's I believe. It slides in perfectly between the seat and the console.

Tony

Show off!! Incase you didn't catch that, it was sarcasim........and jealousy. As always Tony, great lookin' car. I want those wing stands..... and a wing. Congrats on the sponsorship too.

quote Originally posted by skuzzbomer: I don't intend to start a flame war, just asked a question of somebody who is now using your product. Nothing personal. I'm not trying to hurt business or anything - just asking for an objective opinion on the quality of the replacement unit. I know light output is difficult to measure (scientifically), but in comparison to stock or even stock replacements like Silverstars or Trucklites - just looking for more information/opinions on the products. Of course, if they're really as good as some of your customers have said, more info/reviews could be a boon to sales. I am aware of the legality of such modifications, but it's nice to know more about the items in question. I reserve judgment until I see something like this in person. I may have worded my question a bit poorly and for that, I do apologize.

No problem and I certainly wasn't offended! I'm sorry if my reply came off as a defense, I was just trying to state some facts to help you understand better "what" the product really is. The questions you asked were valid, and my disclaimer was simply an effort to avoid turning this into a big "I Hate HID Lights" thread like what has happened in the past. I don't like loud Hondas either, but I don't complain when someone puts fart cannons on their Fiero! hahaha

[This message has been edited by Oslo (edited 02-10-2010).]

I'm going to have to pick up some of thoies wing stands.

Oslo, I'm glad to know we're not on bad terms...

That being said, back to your regularly scheduled programming everybody!

Man I really like what those TLG wingstands do for the looks (and probably performance) of the wing.

Tony, those headlight adjuster screws and plastic snap-in nuts were on the shelf at Autozone and Advance, when I had some rusty ones round out 3 weeks ago.

Those wingstands are awesome. If I had a wing, I'd buy those in a second. That makes the rear end look a lot better.

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'88 GT- 3800 Turbo Best E.T.- 11.654 Best MPH-120.65
gmtuners.com -Build info

http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho..._id=13&category_id=2
And to continue on with the progress...HID's are mounted. Everything just plugs right in. I used some 3M double sided automotive tape to stick the ballasts out of the way.



With the buckets moving, you have to be certain that none of the hardware catches. The headlight door assemblies need to be take into consideration also. The spring mechanisms need to sit along side the buckets when the hood is closed.



With the stock fitting headlight houseing, the install could have not been any easier.



I fixed my broken headlight retainers, and had time to snap a few pics of the lights at night. I still need to adjust them a bit more. These things are bright! I want to make sure that I don't offend other drivers. With the 8000k bulbs, the color is a bit on the blue side. But, not obnoxious. I keep my tabs and insurance up to par.

[This message has been edited by Tony Kania (edited 02-12-2010).]

They look good. You will have some glare issues and many flashes though.

Adjusting them down to cut the upward glare will cause poor lighting, even with HIDs.

I like them, but without that cutoff for the low beams, you are going to get some angry looks and flashes.

If anything, adjust them just a hair to the right of center.

On a level surface, 25 feet from a vertical wall, measure the height from the ground to the center of the lens.

Then, measure the width between lenses, center to center.

On the wall, mark the height, minus 2 inches, and the width, as close to even as you can with where the car sits. Measure the center point between the two lenses as well.

Aim the center of the hot spot of each beam to the marks for vertical adjustment. Then adjust the driver's beam towards center by an inch or so. That should cut down on line of sight flaring and glare for oncoming traffic, and still provide proper lighting to the center and right side of the road.

http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho..._id=3&category_id=29
http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho...id=48&category_id=29

When the rain started, I decided to install the TLG subwoofer kit. It mounts where the console glove box went, and is pretty easy to do. I had TLG ship me a bare plate. It can be ordered in a variety of materials. I had an idea of the look that I was going for, and did not need it wrapped.



After a bit of sanding to match the 24 year old console, I shot a coat of black primer to see how the plate and speaker look in the console.



I had some thin black material that I had used to cover my speaker plates in the dash. I stretched this over the plate, and used hot glue to hold it on the back. I also epoxied in the bolts to mount the speaker plate in. I then tightened it from the back. This let the mounting hardware dissappear. I am very happy with the look.





I have yet to do my pillar speakers, but they too will get the same treatment.

I would like to post this picture that someone posted on the TLG forum at www.tlg-auto.com/forum



This customer did the LED dome light mod and the floor courtesy light mod.

I don't mean to post whore, but I also wanted to mention that we are always trying to figure out a way to get a REAL projector housing replacement for the Fiero, but nothing is currently available. The HID conversion that Tony is using works really well on the driver's side of things, but as mentioned it is not 100% ideal.

I have the same kit on my car and have never been flashed, but it is bound to happen eventually.


One last thing: Tony, how does the high/low feature work for you?

[This message has been edited by Oslo (edited 02-12-2010).]

The high/low works just fine. When I first installed the kit, I had an issue when switching between the two. On random, sometimes the bulb would not reignite. It would always reignite when quickly pressing the headlight switch. I had them on last night for about a half hour run time. I tried to get it to happen again, and it worked perfectly. I could not get the issue to reappear.

A lot of vehicles in my area have HIDs. I have no concern about the legality of the HIDs, I just don't want to offend other drivers. I plan on finding a balance that I can enjoy. They freakin' look cool though!

[This message has been edited by Tony Kania (edited 02-12-2010).]

Wow, you guys have awesome products for the Fiero, If I had the money I would buy most of those products right now. But sadly, I have none at present. I will totally be a future customer though.

Can you post up a close up picture of the subwoofer?

Chech out TLG"s latest interior upgrade....... http://www.youtube.com/user/TopLineGroup

*Bump*

Working on another TLG install. Pics to follow...

Not to hijack, but I installed the LED dome lights and was really impressed. They are bright! You can actually read a map using the map lights now.

I wonder, has anyone tried some sort of "eyelid" for the HID headlights? Would a vinyl on the lens provide some sort of cutoff - I think a white or slightly opaque vinyl could work... Just spitballing here, pay no mind.

It's been a minute!

TLG sent me another box of goodies last week.

Level II Subwoofer Kit............................ http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho..._id=69&category_id=2
Fiero LED Third Brake Light................... http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho..._id=91&category_id=2
Fiero Trunk LED.................................... http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho..._id=87&category_id=2
TLG Stickers......................................... http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho..._id=70&category_id=2

I started off by installing the Level II Subwoofer Enclosure. I needed to remove the console to run the wiring for the guage pod anyway. The Level II unit requires a bit of cutting to the inside of the console for the sub box to fit flush.



After cutting the black plastic from the back, I was able to get a nice clean cut with a razor from the inside of the console.







I did the same cloth treatment that I did to my front speaker covers. (The camera makes it look more transparent than it is.)



Here you can kind of see how I hot glued the fabric to the back lip of the enclosure.



Guess what's next?



Yep. Guage pod. I had purchased some aftermarket guages for the Fiero, and the TLG Triple Guage Pod fits the picture. http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho..._id=23&category_id=2 I built a harness to go from the senders, to the guages, all soldered and shrink wrapped. Wired in the lighting to work with the stock dimmer. (I need to make the bulbs in the guages dimmer.)

Made a cardboard guage pod so as not to scratch the TLG one while I ran the wires.



All installed!





Like I said, I need to tone down the guage lights a little. I also painted the aluminum TLG guage pod semi-flat black. I planned on painting the rest of the console and guage plastic the same, but after seeing the black, I am leaning towards more of a silver to match my rims. I will also need to snap a few pics of the LED lighting for the trunk, and 3rd brake light. It got late last night, and I did not grab any shots of the LEDs. The sub box sounds awesome. It is an enclosed box, and fits the volume of the 8" Pioneer quite well.

[This message has been edited by Tony Kania (edited 03-29-2010).]

Definitely some excellent products.

Almost forgot, I have talked with Oslo about the Level I Subwoofer Enclosure.... http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho..._id=3&category_id=27 .... and he decided to let somebody else enjoy it for free! Now, I had installed this a month or so ago, there is some hot glue on the back, and I painted it flat black to fit my theme. But, this is a free 8" plate that lets you install some bass in your ride. The only thing that I ask is that you actually use it. So, if there is anyone that wants some free TLG swag, then PM me. I will ship it out to you for FREE! Your only cost is that you will need to use it. Just don't let it sit on a shelf.

Thanks for posting pics! Can't wait to see the Vette exhaust tips!

quote Originally posted by Oslo: I don't mean to post whore, but I also wanted to mention that we are always trying to figure out a way to get a REAL projector housing replacement for the Fiero, but nothing is currently available.

If you're open to suggestions, what I'd like to see is the normal rectangular style headlights, only half as tall (or maybe 3/4s, just shorter basically) than stock. I like the lower rise of the hellas, but god that's expensive

And to keep this on topic... Looking great Tony, you should see about making it over to Arlington in June to show off

quote Originally posted by DougC: If you're open to suggestions, what I'd like to see is the normal rectangular style headlights, only half as tall (or maybe 3/4s, just shorter basically) than stock. I like the lower rise of the hellas, but god that's expensive And to keep this on topic... Looking great Tony, you should see about making it over to Arlington in June to show off

Something like these?



I think at some point, Fiero1Fan was going to make a bucket for them similar to what he made for the hellas but there wasnt a whole lot of demand? I just made my own by cutting up stock buckets. Maybe Oslo could make up a bracket that works for these 4x6 headlights, retain the stock bucket (cut it) and voila you have slim rectangle pop ups that are cheaper? Just a thought.

Heres a link to the write up I did on these:

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/076247.html

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Hi Tony! Check your PM's!! We cruised by a couple of weeks ago in the Porvette and didn't see you around... Cruising time is coming!!

Jeff

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I have all of the parts for the tips. I just need to make an appointment with FieroKing about welding them on.

Dogcreek is going to take the TLG 8" speaker plate. With him living only a mile or two from me, it saves on the shipping fees. And, I will be able to help install it for him. (I did get one PM asking me to ship it to Canada. I apologize for not saying that I would ship to the continental U.S. )

Oh, Arlington is a definate. I did not make it out last year due to work. But, this year I guarantee that I will not be working during this event. I also can't wait for Fierofest 2010 in the Tri-Cities. I am thinking that this summer will be one of the best ones ever for the Fiero. The weather here in the Inland Northwest has just been phenominal this past winter. Thank you El Nina!

DoubleC4... As always, saweeeeet!

quote Originally posted by skuzzbomer: I've been wondering about their plug-and-play HID kits... How is the light output vs cutoff pattern? I've been blinded far too many times by people around here driving their imports with the eBay kits. Just wondering if the quality here is any different. Nice GT by the way I hope to get my car to show-quality at some point.

+1. I've been wondering the same thing..

Those stupid eBay HID kits give us guys with factory HID lights a bad reputation..

You can usually tell the eBay HID's, because they're crazy blue, like 7000k or more.
(factory is 4500K to 5000K = pure white)