Just saw this on ebay... I wouldn't normally care or posy about it. But I was looking through the pictures he posted; anyone notice anything unusual about the under side pictures?
I think he has Gold - someone just might pay that much for an unmolested 88GT with T-Tops and low miles. The only ding in my mind is that huge alarm keypad from the 80's that he has bolted to the dash.
I think he has Gold - someone just might pay that much for an unmolested 88GT with T-Tops and low miles. The only ding in my mind is that huge alarm keypad from the 80's that he has bolted to the dash.
When you find that person, send him my way. I have some ocean front property in Utah i'll sell him for a good price...
I don't see anywhere that the pipes were crushed. The lift pad is lifting against the bottom edge of the body seam in the front, and the floorpan in the back. Still not the best jacking points, but I don't think they've hurt anything.
Still way too much money, IMHO.
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I don't see anywhere that the pipes were crushed. The lift pad is lifting against the bottom edge of the body seam in the front, and the floorpan in the back. Still not the best jacking points, but I don't think they've hurt anything.
Still way too much money, IMHO.
Maybe not crushed, but definatly dented... That seam is not the strongest point to jack on...
I think he has Gold - someone just might pay that much for an unmolested 88GT with T-Tops and low miles. The only ding in my mind is that huge alarm keypad from the 80's that he has bolted to the dash.
I really want that keypad..
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Frizlefrak Member
Posts: 2921 From: El Paso, Texas Registered: Aug 2003
I sent the seller a gentle note regarding lifting procedures...
"Just a quick FYI....You do realize that whoever put it on the lift may have just crushed one of the coolant tubes, correct? It would be a good idea to inspect it to ensure that the car doesn't overheat now. It is imperative that correct jacking / lift procedures be followed on these cars so as not to damage the cooling tubes. "
We'll see how he responds.
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Frizlefrak Member
Posts: 2921 From: El Paso, Texas Registered: Aug 2003
We put it on the lift and were very careful as we are with all our vehicles in service, as we regularly service Ferrari and Porsche models with similar coolant and oil lines to be careful of. There are no issues with any cooling lines.
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Carver1 Member
Posts: 2843 From: Edgewood, New Mexico Registered: Nov 2000
Hmmm, apparently they didn't bother looking up the jacking points... check, it doesn't take a ASE mechanic to figure out where the jacking points are on a car. I am guessing they are jacking where the jack goes, but that isn't very strong.
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Posts: 5949 From: Back home in East Berlin, PA Registered: Apr 2008
Email them and ask if they will replace the cooling tubes they crushed if you buy it.
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I sent in an email and they claim the car was lifted correctly. What an idiot.
Abe
Dear aconesa,
The car was lifted correctly and the coolant lines are in perfect undamaged condition. Thank you for your concern but you are mistaken.
Thanks, Jason Burkhart 513-738-1115 office 513-324-2717 cell www.autolivery.com sales@autolivery.com - autolivery Click "respond" to reply through Messages, or go to your email to reply
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aconesa To: autolivery Subject: Vehicle condition: aconesa sent a message about Pontiac : Fiero #380281683437 Sent Date: Oct-29-10 13:59:51 PDT
Dear autolivery,
Just an FYI, I would look over the condition of the coolant pipes that run under the vehicle. There is a clear shot where the lift is holding the vehicles in the incorrect spots. The Fiero will most likely overheat on the next long drive because your technician raised the vehicle improperly. I recommend that you state that in the discription. You will most likely be sued because of the damage the tech cause.
- aconesa
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Frizlefrak Member
Posts: 2921 From: El Paso, Texas Registered: Aug 2003
Well, that's two of us ( at least ) that have emailed the seller and pointed out the lifting issue. I'm betting he will get tired of fielding this particular question at some point
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mrfiero Member
Posts: 8996 From: Colorful Colorado Registered: Mar 99
I'm curious if the correct floormats come with it.....the ones in the pic are not beechwood. It's also too bad it doesn't have leather....I know, it *does* have lumbar, but leather is better IMO. Is it worth $20K? No, but at least they aren't asking an ungodly amount either. It's a tough market right now, but I would pay $12-$13K for it if it had leather.
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turboguy327 Member
Posts: 1692 From: Webster, NY USA Registered: Feb 2007
I wonder why they listed it at $20K on eBay instead of just asking what they already have it listed at? It's a nice car and $13,500 is a fair starting price, although this one is just as nice. It has a few more miles, but is a 5-speed.
I'm happy to see everyone is interested in our Fiero, and of course everyone is entitled to their opinion. Thank you for the heads up regarding this forum and everyone's concerns. As I stated, the coolant lines are 100% undamaged. The vehicle was lifted at the pinch welds of the unibody adjacent to the coolant lines in the front of the vehicle. In fact, the lifting pads didn't even make contact with the lines as the dirt on them isn't even disturbed. I see everyone is enjoying poking fun at an apparent mistake, however we do know what we are doing as we specialize in special cars and this isn't our first Fiero or rear/mid engine car on the lift. I took the liberty of taking photos of the coolant lines and would be happy to email them to anyone who has a serious interest in the vehicle and has concerns regarding the lines. When I tell people interested in my auction the lines are undamaged, I say it because it is true, not because that's what people want to hear. We are a family owned business run with integrity for over 30 years. The car is a very special car with perfect pedigree. We paid a premium price for a premium car. I will put it up against anything out there. It is probably the lowest mileage T-Top car out there. If you don't think it is worth my asking price, I understand, but I doubt anyone could replicate it for any price. I will now defer to the naysayers out there to pick me apart. Anyone who is interested in making me a serious offer for the car is of course encouraged to do so. I am willing to work on the price.
Jason Burkhart Sales Manager The Auto Livery www.autolivery.com sales@autolivery.com 513-738-1115 office 513-324-2717 cell
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autolivery Junior Member
Posts: 2 From: Cincinnati, OH Registered: Oct 2010
We paid a premium price for a premium car. I will put it up against anything out there. It is probably the lowest mileage T-Top car out there.
Sooo....did you buy it off of Craigslist for $13,500 and are now trying to flip it for $20K or ???
Also, at 5500 miles yours is far from the lowest one out there. From roughly 2001-2005 I helped sell off one of the largest Fiero-only car collections and it included several brand new '88 GT's and Formulas with T-Tops. One of these '88 GT's now belongs to a fellow forum member and I believe it still has less than 200 miles.
Your white GT is a nice example, but again, a realistic asking price is the $13,500 that was in that Craigslist ad (that has been conveniently deleted now) and not $20K.
I'm happy to see everyone is interested in our Fiero, and of course everyone is entitled to their opinion. Thank you for the heads up regarding this forum and everyone's concerns. As I stated, the coolant lines are 100% undamaged. The vehicle was lifted at the pinch welds of the unibody adjacent to the coolant lines in the front of the vehicle. In fact, the lifting pads didn't even make contact with the lines as the dirt on them isn't even disturbed. I see everyone is enjoying poking fun at an apparent mistake, however we do know what we are doing as we specialize in special cars and this isn't our first Fiero or rear/mid engine car on the lift. I took the liberty of taking photos of the coolant lines and would be happy to email them to anyone who has a serious interest in the vehicle and has concerns regarding the lines. When I tell people interested in my auction the lines are undamaged, I say it because it is true, not because that's what people want to hear. We are a family owned business run with integrity for over 30 years. The car is a very special car with perfect pedigree. We paid a premium price for a premium car. I will put it up against anything out there. It is probably the lowest mileage T-Top car out there. If you don't think it is worth my asking price, I understand, but I doubt anyone could replicate it for any price. I will now defer to the naysayers out there to pick me apart. Anyone who is interested in making me a serious offer for the car is of course encouraged to do so. I am willing to work on the price.
Jason Burkhart Sales Manager The Auto Livery www.autolivery.com sales@autolivery.com 513-738-1115 office 513-324-2717 cell
A candid response. Can't ask for much more than that.
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solotwo Member
Posts: 5374 From: Grand Rapids, MI. USA Registered: Jun 2002
Is that what the later style catalytic converters looked like, or has it already been replaced?
That cant be the original cat. Now that I think about it, It isnt. Nice job on painting the subframe front and rear. The exhaust pipe running out to the drivers side has some over spray on it. For some reason the rear parking brake springs look longer than the ones I took off my car. Having sold new GM products(mainly Pontiacs) since May 1977 I dont recall GM ever using gloss black on the underside and frame of cars. It looks just to shiny.
Oh it must have been setting for a while. I noticed cob webs. One of my pet peeves is cob webs.
Dear autolivery, regardless of what you say and think, if you check the 1988 factory service manual, you WILL SEE THE PROPER lift locations. I keep a copy in my car as I have found so called knowledgeable certified techs DO NOT KNOW the proper lift locations! I will gladly fax or scan a copy out of my service manual and send it to. That way you will minimize damage to the Fieros that you put on the lift.
Thank you, Steve W. NE Grand Rapids, MI 88 coupe
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solotwo Member
Posts: 5374 From: Grand Rapids, MI. USA Registered: Jun 2002
The price is too dam high! You know and I know that its not going to sell. They are definintely going to come to take this guy away to the funny farm!
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Posts: 7403 From: Canton, MI US Registered: Dec 1999
Why do people has to criticize when a real nice Fiero is being sold at a high price? And they are not even real buyers I wish they would sell for that.
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Posts: 779 From: St Louis Mo USA Registered: Mar 2010