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Full electric , lithium ione powered project . by Torch-Red87
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Report this Post12-21-2009 06:31 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Torch-Red87Click Here to visit Torch-Red87's HomePageSend a Private Message to Torch-Red87Direct Link to This Post
Well this buildup was done in about 5-6 weeks .
Motor and batterys are yet not build in :
More will be soon .


































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Clean Fiero. Nice garage.
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Originally posted by Torch-Red87:

Well this buildup was done in about 5-6 weeks .
Motor and batterys are yet not build in :
More will be soon .





Shiny.... Me want.

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Nice car, great work and excellent project if I do say myself. I have a Zilla 1KLV and a WarP9 just waiting to be put into mine. What motor and controller are you going with?

http://www.diyelectriccar.com/garage/cars/216

Brian

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Originally posted by BHall71:

Nice car, great work and excellent project if I do say myself. I have a Zilla 1KLV and a WarP9 just waiting to be put into mine. What motor and controller are you going with?

http://www.diyelectriccar.com/garage/cars/216

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hey BHall71, from edmond here. are you in the fiero club out here? lately we have been having meets in mustang. havent been lately cause gas is $$ and yea... be really neat to see your fiero. i havent seen an EV in person. well not a home made one.

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Originally posted by BHall71:

Nice car, great work and excellent project if I do say myself. I have a Zilla 1KLV and a WarP9 just waiting to be put into mine. What motor and controller are you going with?

http://www.diyelectriccar.com/garage/cars/216

Brian



Well this gone be way diffrent this drive system is going to be new on the market . It will be a 3 Phase AC Motor with Li. batterys worth about 20000 US $ ,and the controller is just right now in the end phase of development .
This car will be the nice shell as a demonstrater for the drive system .
So nothing will be DIY all industrial done to meet future standarts .

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Nice car
I can't wait to see the drive system that is going in it.
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Originally posted by americasfuture2k:


hey BHall71, from edmond here. are you in the fiero club out here? lately we have been having meets in mustang. havent been lately cause gas is $$ and yea... be really neat to see your fiero. i havent seen an EV in person. well not a home made one.



I'm not in the fiero club, I am kinda new to the fiero thing. My fiero still has the gas motor in it (whats left of it). It pretty much starts up and is able to move itself from the street to the driveway when I get the rare chance to work on it. It's not much to see yet but hopefully soon.

Brian

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ah ok, well it would be cool to see you at one of the meets. my fiero has only been to about two of the meets. caught on fire at the last meet i went to in mustang.

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My only question is, why is the radiator still in the car? whats it going to cool
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i dont know if it was asked. nevertheless, do electric cars have transmissions? i guess the only real concern is going in reverse.

Also, why a fiero instead of an mr2 or something bigger yet lighter? like a s10 or el camino maybe? just curious not trying to start a war or anything.

how many miles do you expect to gain from 1 trip?
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Originally posted by ghost187x:

i dont know if it was asked. nevertheless, do electric cars have transmissions? i guess the only real concern is going in reverse.

Also, why a fiero instead of an mr2 or something bigger yet lighter? like a s10 or el camino maybe? just curious not trying to start a war or anything.

how many miles do you expect to gain from 1 trip?


One of the nice things about electric motors is that they can spin forwards or backwards. I don't know if this one in particular has a trans, but even if it didn't reverse would not be a problem
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Originally posted by kazew:

My only question is, why is the radiator still in the car? whats it going to cool


Well all electric things get hot if the qurent flows so you need to cool it down , and only good way is water !.
So we will keep the radiator for cooling purpose .Sure maybe a little big but for project startup ok.

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Cool. What happened to the climate controls?
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Originally posted by yellowstone:

Cool. What happened to the climate controls?


Kolja who needs climate controls and heating ?. We are here not in florida . This is Hollywood , show and shine counts on a car for showcase use only . This is a industrial project form follows function not more , with this ,the drive system will be sold , or like Enzo Ferrari said ( I bulid engines , the chassie and body comes for free )
I can not come with the company´s name and website yet, because its not my car it was build for the company as a project .
They need something special and easy to use for the drive system for shows , testdrives and showcase for customers .
It well be once on the road but only with manufacture plate for testing , and test driving .

And the compressor is deleted anyway caused bye electric motor ,all other functions are still avaliable , lights etc.

Hope the answer now work that out for you .

Its my fieros little stepsister

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Really cool. I want to do this. Keep us posted.
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Awesome!

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Wow , nice idea

will you post an detailed buildthread if your your costumer give you the permission ?
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Originally posted by Fieromaniac:

Wow , nice idea

will you post an detailed buildthread if your your costumer give you the permission ?


Well idea was my dad´s he work at the company and the car came from us , but i cant let the jake out of the box before them .
I will keep updating it .

Well nothing big happend since now yet ,brake boost system will be fun to work out .

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Yeah, that's a nice center console. Any plans on performing similar ideas for the area around the dash?

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Yeah, that's a nice center console. Any plans on performing similar ideas for the area around the dash?



Well not on this project , this will stay it is but future projects will get this style so is the plan , but my projects for next future is my new engine for my yellow 88´ and ending the Italian 328 replica my dad started 1989
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Lets move on to the news (Clarkson)


Good news .........and its not a Dacia Sandero



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Got any specs on the motor? Controller?

Bob

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That looks to be one badass motor.

Couple of questions:
Why do you still have a radiator on there (and a coolant overflow bottle)?
What do you do for brake vacuum?

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Originally posted by ltlfrari:

That looks to be one badass motor.

Couple of questions:
Why do you still have a radiator on there (and a coolant overflow bottle)?
What do you do for brake vacuum?


Well this motor is water cooled like the controller will be . This is a must have item ,this motor is future stuff not a thing from the past . This car will be a enginering sample for motor and controller .

Vaccum is solved , have a detailed look on the pic where the brake booster is ................
This version i think will be maybe to much vaccum, but we will see if the car drives
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Got any specs on the motor? Controller?

Bob



This is not a DC Motor , so its way different .Its 3Phase AC ....more i cant tell
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Originally posted by Torch-Red87:


This is not a DC Motor , so its way different .Its 3Phase AC ....more i cant tell


I assumed it was not a DC motor by the wiring conections. 3 Phase AC and Brushless DC are for the most part synonomous. I've been doing research into 3phase AC motors for a possible project, but I'll respect your secrecy.

Depending on the size of your coolant pump, I know of several that would do the job (since I designed the controllers for them).

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Neat project That is one beefy motor I wonder how much the car's range will suffer by having the lcd on the whole trip?
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Originally posted by RCR:


I assumed it was not a DC motor by the wiring conections. 3 Phase AC and Brushless DC are for the most part synonomous. I've been doing research into 3phase AC motors for a possible project, but I'll respect your secrecy.

Depending on the size of your coolant pump, I know of several that would do the job (since I designed the controllers for them).

Bob


I know Assin has pumps that will do the job too. But this pump was faster to get and we will see how it do
The motor is not my development so therefore I have to do the secret . The motor are close thats true but the efficency is way better on a AC up to 95%
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Neat project That is one beefy motor I wonder how much the car's range will suffer by having the lcd on the whole trip?



the LCD is touch screen and will provide the GUI unit to the driver
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This looks like a very ambitious project and I really like the look and idea of a fiero EV. After seeing all the specs and information on the Tesla Roadster it is beyond me why we do not have a viable all electric commuter car. I for one think that once the public in general gets to see what a quality EV like the tesla looks and drives like it is curtains for the internal combustion engine. It is and has always been about the batteries. When we reach the point that a powerful, long lasting, and reasonably priced battery source becomes available to the average joe you will see many many more home builds and if they are smart major manufacturers will get on board. I salute Tesla motors for their ingenuity and praise their approach in designing and building a car that is not a watered down no power boring as hell prius wannabe and building a serious supercar contender. If you can do that and get adequate range then it only follows that an everyday car similar to a ford focus, honda accord, toyota camry, chevy malibu shoud really be easy. The largest and most powerful machines on the planet run off electric motors powered by diesel engines so power and speed has never really been the problem and I have watched far too many electric drag cars blow down the quarter mile to doubt any speed freaks protests. It is just a logical evolution that the same types of batteries that we rely on to power our cell phones, laptops, and all sorts of other electronic gadgets that make our modern life more enjoyable will someday be used to power our vehicles. I have already seen several production units of dirtbikes, motorcycles, and other vehicles in action and it is just a matter of time before we are driving one. I for one look forward to the day that I can install a high powered performance electronic motor in my fiero GT and it's accompanying battery pack and forget about oil changes, filters, engine rebuilds, and other high maintenance complicated parts that are necessary to make it go. I would love to be able to make the car run without a transmission and feel the smooth rush of accelleration that the tesla roadster seems to exhibit. No shifting unless you want it, no peaky motor, just a linear powerband that will take the car to speed with a quiet smooth rush. This is not Star Trek sci fi, it is real life performance and nevermind the reliability factors. They say that an electric motor in a car would only need rebuild after what would be nearly a million miles in a traditional car. This is the future and I for one look forward to it..... peace


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Pete did you get my pm?

Live long & prosper.

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Yeah man I did..... sorry I have not gotten back, been busy...... had today off and been planning my trip to florida all week.

I will look at the project and see what I can do. I think others would like it as well.... Gonna be gone until the end of the month on vacation( my first in a number of years) so I will not be able to get to it until then. BTW, got any pics of your choptop? A build thread maybe? peace

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Have fun on vacation.

Back to this thread. I would love an electric Fiero, it would be perfect for me. I live 7.5 miles from work, priceless. It's a shame that it is way too expensive for me to do the conversion. The car show Passtime had an electric pickup truck and it was awesome, I couldn't believe the power it had for being electric.

Are you converting the DC to AC I assume? I guess the speed control will not be in the usual place as other Fiero since it's going to be water cooled? Great thread! Goodluck!
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Well it looks like the first shots have been fired...... check this out......

http://www.youtube.com/watc...D9GI&feature=related

and this....
http://www.teslamotors.com/models/

Beautiful car, and quick as hell too.....

BRAVO TESLA......I do not know if I can afford one at that price but I think we are seeing history here..... it is literally just a matter of time....peace

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Originally posted by Pete Matos:

Well it looks like the first shots have been fired...... check this out......

http://www.youtube.com/watc...D9GI&feature=related

and this....
http://www.teslamotors.com/models/

Beautiful car, and quick as hell too.....

BRAVO TESLA......I do not know if I can afford one at that price but I think we are seeing history here..... it is literally just a matter of time....peace


Tesla is about 30 minutes from my house. They are based in Palo Alto, California and if I read correctly, were one of the first companies to get a multi-million dollar grant from the government to open the manufacturing plant. Unfortunatly, a few of the execs and the developer of the energy system they use were killed a few weeks ago in a plane crash as they were leaving the Palo Alto airport.
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Very sad to hear that..... I cannot believe that such a new company can exhibit such high levels of style and performance in such a short time. These guys are seriously talented engineers and that car is just another example of that. The roadster is just gorgeous and fast as hell too.... watch some of the videos on youtube of the cars in action, super smooth, super quiet, just a huge rush of pure accelleration with no peaks and no noise but the wind. This is how man was meant to travel..... beautiful!!! BRAVO TESLA!!!!
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Sad to hear of the tragedy, they are some talented folks, and pushing the envelope of what can be done with electric cars. The beauty of electric traction is its torque on demand across a fairly level range. I hope they continue on and make a system that really works beyond anyone's expectations.

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