HI all,

I am curious to see pics of what this setup may look like, and how biga tank you could fit in there.... If you know of any, well post dem pics silly.....

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I've heard of a couple in Fieros, but I have to be honest with you in that I wouldn't do it.

The Fiero fuel tank is in the safest possible location where it is right now. If I needed to make a fuel cell, I'd make one that fit in the constraints of the tunnel and use safety foam in it and STILL leave it there.

I was working corners when a driver burned to death in a Porsche 911 when he hit a wall at Heartland Park in 2002 when his front mounted fuel CELL (not the stock tank) ruptured and the bladder was punctured and it's just not a place that I particularly think is a good location to mount a fuel cell.

All that said, if you want an idea of how much it will hold, a gallon is .134 cubic feet in volume, so get your tape measure out and look at the area available then go from there. Good luck.

John Stricker

I second that. I'd rather the stock tank in the stock location than a modern fuel cell in a position it's almost certainly going to get crushed in an accident.

12gal from sumit racing. GREAT fit!


ppg's

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HI all,

I appreciate all your insight into a front mounted cell, but too each their own... As I am seriously gonna give this some thought for my next fiero.... Revin is the first pic of your car? Do you think that there is enough room for a larger tank? Who is ppg? Is that the race car car entered for the ppg? OHH! Almost forgot to ask, Revin if that is your setup are you piggybacking or is it your main tank? Also, the concealed area in the front where the 2 fuel cells are mounted, can that area get wet? Like if you wanted to modify that area to install a larger fuel cell and one that sits closer to the ground.... Cuz I think that 12 gallons isn't really worth the effort unless it is used to supplement the main tank....... That I was hoping to go with a flat floor....... HAHA!! In that first pic, you said the tank was from Summit Racing, is that a tank specifically for the fiero, or is it universal?

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Enzo Ferrari....

quote Originally posted by pavo_roddy: That I was hoping to go with a flat floor.......

Cool! Then you could put a bench seat in there and be able to drive three instead of two.

Pavo-roddy - I might be wrong about this, but I think you'll also need to re-route the vacuum line for the brake that goes through that tunnel and what about the ECU ? Man, a flat floor conversion would be MAJOR work (and alters the strucltural integrity of the car) for something that's only cosmetic, but good luck if you wanna do it.


Revin - pretty slick set-up. If that's piped into your main tank, I guess you just fill up the front tank when you get gas ? 20-something gallons would be Super-nice to have .

Also, do you get any fumes sucked into the passenger compartment through the vents in front of the windshield wipers ?

[This message has been edited by PaulJK (edited 01-16-2007).]

1st. Not my car, just one I helped build. it was a guy named cardealer.
no fumes
not coupled with the stock tank. was for 1/4 mile runs. It can be combined with the stock, just a bit of plumbing needs to be done.
no stock tank, this was in place of that...

Even though it was a track car water won't hurt it! Nothing had to be cut, but we did just to lighten it up.
oh here is the car..


not hard to do at all. the tank is from summit.

umm... hellooooo we need a seperate thread just for that car!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Hmmm just what the Fiero needs, cars ready to blow up in a crash, I see can it on 60 mins now, they should ban all Fieros and get them off the streets before more young people burn to death! Drag car only, perhaps that would be ok, for the streets, it's just nutsville.
Hey I bet you guys would jump at the chance to buy some old seeping-dripping big bang sticks cheep.

quote Originally posted by Francis T: Hmmm just what the Fiero needs, cars ready to blow up in a crash, I see can it on 60 mins now, they should ban all Fieros and get them off the streets before more young people burn to death! Drag car only, perhaps that would be ok, for the streets, it's just nutsville. Hey I bet you guys would jump at the chance to buy some old seeping-dripping big bang sticks cheep.

I see cars like this all the time. You can’t tell me a fuel cell in the front of a Fiero is anymore dangerous then fuel cells in others cars. I see this all the time on Mustangs, F-Bodys, and Muscle cars.

I didnt say it was any more dangerous than OTHER cars, but it certainly is more so compared to where the stock tank is in Fireo. I use to race lot (Mopars) and understand when you have no choice thats one thing.... but, if you move it up front just to look cool.............. well, to me thats not cool it's just plan ***** BTW: you can fill in the blanks. You always want to do two things in racing (or for that mater on the street) , 1 - build as fast a car as you can, and 2 - make it safe as you can. That way you get to race (or drive) again. Maybe you don't mind risking being BBQed, but someone else with you may not. Seen a few firey crashes at the track over the years, thus I can get a bit piss%^ when people take extra chances.

quote Originally posted by tampalinc: I see cars like this all the time. You can’t tell me a fuel cell in the front of a Fiero is anymore dangerous then fuel cells in others cars. I see this all the time on Mustangs, F-Bodys, and Muscle cars.

curious... What the hell is he using for a trans setup? dont get how that can still be RWD...???

quote Originally posted by revin: 1st. Not my car, just one I helped build. it was a guy named cardealer. no fumes not coupled with the stock tank. was for 1/4 mile runs. It can be combined with the stock, just a bit of plumbing needs to be done. no stock tank, this was in place of that... Even though it was a track car water won't hurt it! Nothing had to be cut, but we did just to lighten it up. oh here is the car.. not hard to do at all. the tank is from summit.

out of a caddy

quote Originally posted by Francis T: I didnt say it was any more dangerous than OTHER cars, but it certainly is more so compared to where the stock tank is in Fireo. I use to race lot (Mopars) and understand when you have no choice thats one thing.... but, if you move it up front just to look cool.............. well, to me thats not cool it's just plan ***** BTW: you can fill in the blanks. You always want to do two things in racing (or for that mater on the street) , 1 - build as fast a car as you can, and 2 - make it safe as you can. That way you get to race (or drive) again. Maybe you don't mind risking being BBQed, but someone else with you may not. Seen a few firey crashes at the track over the years, thus I can get a bit piss%^ when people take extra chances.

We understand about taking chances, and we might never change your mind either... But personally, look at modern day or even older front engine cars they all have a gas tank that sits right about the height or just below the rear bumper, why aren't these cars' tanks ruptured? What I think you need to understand also is, just because someone wants to put a fuel cell in the front of a fiero, big deal..... As mentioned above Porsche has been doing it for MANY years! Just because you or someone else sees a front end collision at a racetrack isn't gonna sway me that ALL front mounted tanks, or fuel cells are dangerous... While I don't know much about fuel cells, heck, they are probably designed better for impact than a gas tank in a modern day car.......Gas tanks are designed to NOT rupture, and therefore due to the rather lengthly history or automobiles, esp. with a gas tank at the rear or front of the car then those accidents that due rupture a tank are almost coincedental, or FREAK accidents.......

I am seriously thinking about this for my next fiero yes, but I am also seriously thinking of taking that whole area behind the rad, and cutting it up to install a tank nearer to the ground, not just because I want a larger tank, that too is a consideration, but also because I think that by adding some bracing to the car just might help in safety.......HAHA!!! Francis T, you've been around this site and cars long enough to know that there are somethings which people consider cool, and are dumb, heck i'll probably agree... We've booth seen some styling to cars here that we don't like.....But instead of telling everyone that you think it's a bad idea, how bout taking some of your knowledge with fieros, racing, and building cars and offer insight into ways that a front mounted fuel cell in a fiero could be done safely?..... I sir, challenge you to a duel of sorts! No, not to change your mind about the location of a gas tank in a fiero, but to help consider possibilities to make it safer.........

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Not to get in the middle of a debate over safety but the front end is designed to absorb impact, basically a crumple zone. By stiffening it you cause more trauma to the occupant of the car in a collision. By not stiffening it and installing a fuel cell you are asking for the fuelcell to become part of that crumple zone. The cockpit or passenger area of the Fiero is a very safe place to be, I think I would rather have the extra fuel cell stored in the passenger side area than the front. To each his own, I'm sure before any mod is done the research will also be done to make sure the advantage is worth the cost.
Just my .02 and with inflation being what it is thats not very much LOL!

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HI all,

DRA, isn't the rear end of a car designed to crumple too? Thanx for adding more to worry about as far as saftey is concerned....haha.... When adding any bracing around the cell you also have to take in consideration that the steel could still pierce the tank which is another DON'T want to happen...lol.... Thanx for dismissing that hazard.... GEEEEz what was I smokin then... Still though the likelyhood of an accident that would cause serious harm to the front end enough that it would rupture a tank is an unlikely event..... Statistically speaking, or in my case experience.... Which like inflation isn't worth much either! I don't work in insurance.....lol....

edit: That area where the fuel cells are in the pics, can this area get wet?? Like if you wanted to add a vent into this portion of the car...... Idea brewing, and would first like to know the answer...Please....
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Enzo Ferrari....

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[This message has been edited by pavo_roddy (edited 01-18-2007).]

The crumple zone is in front of the radiator Its nice to have the spare tire to help with impact but after the radiator support the frame is pretty solid. I have been thinking of ways to mount a different radiator and it will require bracing. I have also been thinking about how much of a pain it is to only have 9 gallons of gas usable in my V8. I calculated how many stops I would have to make if I took it to Ohio and its just not ever going to happen. It would be better to put it on a truck.
Even a 10 gallon tank would double my range.