I was just thinking about if Ponitiac came out with a new camaro, all the companies are going retro, think if they brought back the fiero. It would have power steering, hopefully one with the new 6.0 liter ls2's, or maybe even one of those turbocharged ecotec's. I'm pretty sure their all aluminum, and they are making tons of hp for a 2.0 litre. The new Saturn sky redline, and the solstice gxp will have them. They make 260 hp and 260 ft/lbs stock, somebody correct me if wrong but I think the block and heads are both aluminum. I read an article about the ecotec racing program on this forum, and I believe they got up to around 350-400 hp on stock internals, I could be wrong. But if they used the same fiero design but put a few tweaks on the body work and gave it a new engine, and it was still mid engined and rwd. I also seem to remember someone saying that in the 89 prototype they had an intercooler in the wing, if they could pull something off like that, that would be sweet. If you got to design a new fiero what would it look like? What engine would you have in it? And what body modifications would you change? Any of you paint shoppers wanna throw out some pics, that'd be nice too.

It might be called a Fiero (Unlikely, due to the reputation,) but anything made today just wouldn't be a Fiero.

If I were to make a new Fiero, I'm not to sure what the coupe would look like. I'd probably try for a more "rounded" look like the new MR2 or w/e. The GT would definetly look like a lightly updated 1990 prototype though. Ideally, the engine choices would be like: coupe would get a LE5 Ecotec 2.4L L4 with 170 hp and a 6-speed manual, SE would get a 3.8L S/C V6 with 260 hp and 6-speed, Formula would have a 5.3L N/A V8 with 303 hp and 5-speed manual, and GT would have a 5.3L S/C V8 with around 400 hp and 5-speed. 5-speeds would be necessary on the V8's because I'm not sure if the FWD 6-speed is made for the torque (nor does it have the gearing for the V8s). I think a new Fiero could easily span many different markets, the base coupe could be the economical little commuter-sports car the Fiero was originally meant to be, and it could possibly compete with the Miata and smaller import tuner cars. The SE and Formula could probably keep up with the new "Muscle cars" depending on their weight, while the GT would go against cars like the Acura NSX and possibly Dodge Vipers. Ideal prices would be like $18,000 for a coupe, $21,000 for a SE, $25,000 for a Formula, and close to $30,000 for a GT. Too bad GM would never revive the Fiero, if done right it could be a very nice little car. I know they'd get at least like 12,000 sales right away .

Mid-Engine, V6(to keep cost down), looks like a Ferrari

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there is a modern day Fiero. Called the Opel Speedster (if im not mistaken I think GM owns opel also?) I don't think you can buy it in the US tho.

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prowling the pacific...

87 GT - V8 - 5 Speed

quote Originally posted by Jax184: It might be called a Fiero (Unlikely, due to the reputation,) but anything made today just wouldn't be a Fiero.

Agreed! I think if any division of GM made a Fiero-like car from now on it would be Saturn. They use the space frame technology. But still, can't see it happening

I would lock

Madcurl, Ski-time, Fie Ro, V-8 Archie, Mr Mike, Kevin from Design 1 Systems, Aus,
FieroGTRwideboby (Alex), WCF, and a handful of others all in a room, and not let them out till the project was complete.

hehehe i know,.............yeah riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

quote Originally posted by tutnkmn: Agreed! I think if any division of GM made a Fiero-like car from now on it would be Saturn. They use the space frame technology. But still, can't see it happening

Not anymore. They're switching to metal bodies and stuff so that they can accept badge-engineering from the rest of GM. The Sky-Solstice is just the start.

quote Originally posted by Tinton: Not anymore. They're switching to metal bodies and stuff so that they can accept badge-engineering from the rest of GM. The Sky-Solstice is just the start.

Shame, that. The space frame is so strong

I was wondering what GM's main motivation was to get away from space frames on Saturns (aside from cost) and now it does seem obvious that Tinton is right, its for badge-engineering. Last year Lutz said GM absolutely had to stop it.... Hey look, there's the "new" Pontiac G5 or wait, is that a Cobalt?

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Christian Thomas
87 Pontiac Fiero GT Burgandy/Silver 5.7L ZZ4 5spd
301rwhp/345rwtq

Next Mod: 88 suspension
06 Cobalt SS/SC w/ LSD

quote Originally posted by MilleniumFiero: there is a modern day Fiero. Called the Opel Speedster (if im not mistaken I think GM owns opel also?) I don't think you can buy it in the US tho.

Yea GM owns Opel. They need to sell that thing here. Looks good. Id buy one



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just give me a cup holder.

I like the opel speedster but I would really like one of the new lotus exige.

big picture! so I won't directly link it

http://formula.cryptnix.com/misc/concept%20fiero.jpg

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3800 SC/IC Formula Bluuuuuuuuuue!

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I'm with the Opel voters. GM could have a new version of the fiero on the road for cheap with the Opel Speedster provided it could pass US crash testing.

-Rick

quote Originally posted by MilleniumFiero: there is a modern day Fiero. Called the Opel Speedster (if im not mistaken I think GM owns opel also?) I don't think you can buy it in the US tho.

The Opel Speedster / Vauxhall VX220 Lightning are actually built alongside the Lotus Elise, since they share the same platform, but given a GM drivetrain with an Ecotec 4-banger. I really think Lotus should have considered the Ecotec in the American version of the Elise\Exige, instead of the Toyota motor (which is a great motor, but not a totally awesome motor like the Ecotec).
Opel is GM's German subsidiary, and Vauxhall is GM's British subsidiary.

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I believe that I heard somewhere that the new Opels are going to be FWD with the newer platform that is used with the Solstice and Sky.

Why would they convert a RWD platform (Solstice/Sky/Kappa) to FWD ?

quote Originally posted by The Poopsmith: I believe that I heard somewhere that the new Opels are going to be FWD with the newer platform that is used with the Solstice and Sky.

quote Originally posted by Tinton: Not anymore. They're switching to metal bodies and stuff so that they can accept badge-engineering from the rest of GM. The Sky-Solstice is just the start.

The Solstice and Sky are built on space frames. The Ion, Vue,Corvette and XLR are as well.
I wouldnt be suprised to see the new Camaro built on one as well.

believe it or not, more auto manufacturers are going rwd these days. the fwd trend is starting to slow down. the demand is for rwd platforms. they sell. i dont see them changing the kappa to fwd.

The Fieros styling is fine, even for now with a few updates. Id want a radical chassis upgrade though under that similar appearance. Front longi engine and trans. Maybe even the driveshaft between the clutch and tranny with the tranny combined with axle like a vette (still a transaxle but handle more power). Give me a new one with a low profile v8 and Id be game. That setup would also give you a real trunk for hauling your goodies.

I'd want an Ecotec-powered Fiero with as lightweight as possible a spaceframe. Definitely mid-engined, as that's one of the defining characteristics of the Fiero. Wider track, same wheelbase, shorter overall car, lower roofline by a couple inches at least. Function before form. Something that can run at least 14s stock and which handles like a Lotus. 50/50 F/R weight ratio. Weight under 2500lbs to achieve those characteristics. Six-speed manual an option, if not standard. Oh yea, can you say convertible (in addition to hardtop and T-tops)?

The Opel looks freaking hot! Why don't they sell it here?

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