any car to compare it with?

quote Originally posted by Exotic Rida: any car to compare it with?

A 308 Ferrari. The Fiero is an American Ferrari especially the 88 although not as polished as a 308.
Mine runs great. It is a 3.4 TDC out of a 91 5 speed W Body. I have had several encounters with newer ls1 Vettes and a ls1 Firehawk Firebird and beat them from stop light to stop light. I have had mine up to about 143 according to a Vette owner who paced me on the highway. I didnt have my speedo hooked up at the time but then again it only goes to 120. Based upon past experience at the track and the many fast cars I have owned I would estimate mine is in high 12 to low 13s when launched right. I plan on taking it to the track this year. I am running a 4.10 4 speed.

I shut down the local ricers, havent lost a race with them including a WRX and an S2000. There was this black supercharged Mercedes that I couldnt take but he didnt take me either and there was this stock looking mid 80s camaro (not even az28, a v6 badged coupe) that I barely beat.

I just wanted to add that with the 5 speed your not going to be as quick but will probably be able to go faster ..if you dare. Mine was starting to feel light on the front at high speed but went straight as an arrow..I would imagine with the aero nose and lowered with the suspension upgraded it would possible to go much faster

I love to cruise in mine, the sound, the feel ....

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i think the average is around a 14.5 which i believe is around the stock mustang GT times. but like erik said, a 4:10 4spd will make you much quicker. also, talk to DKOV, i think he can tell you a way to retard the exhaust cams that will give more HP.

-Fish

Way to represent the Fiero Erik, nice kills, yeah, you took the words out of my mouth with the areo nose and lowered front, Im gonna rebuild my 2.8, but when that dies, Im gonna swap something, I really like the 3.4 DOHC's potential, with a turbo properly tuned, you got a beast.

Im waiting to see how Kameo Kid's 3.4 turbo turns out, im sure it'll be sick, with a lot of attention to detail, cant wait for the 1/4 mile times.
Anybody have any power curve graphs, any before and after mod dyno #''s?
-peace

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Garth's 87GT 3.4TDC/Isuzu has run a 13.4@106

I know that Chris West' `86 SE runs way better than 14's. His is around 300 hp out a 3.4DOHC turbo, with the stock tranny, with craploads of suspension work done. He has pics on his website under their "completed projects" at www.westcoastfiero.com

quote Originally posted by FordsNeverDie: Legoboys setup is the same as what Chris has now. The 3.4L DOHC Turbo.. I will tell you this.. It is turning out to be whicked! Whenever I get a chance to be in that area, I stop by there, and man it is crazy! As I said in my previous post, www.westcoastfiero.com has pics of Chris' identical setup, minus some of the chrome. They also had a 400+hp @ the wheels 3.8L S/C+T that got picked up about 3 months ago. Now you really wanna talk about whicked!

there is some 20min worth of video now on their website of Chris running through the mountains too. pretty kool when you hear the DOHC running too.

quote Originally posted by Kameo Kid: there is some 20min worth of video now on their website of Chris running through the mountains too. pretty kool when you hear the DOHC running too.

Ok... Where? I couldn't find the video... Help!

quote Originally posted by SMorris: Ok... Where? I couldn't find the video... Help!

http://fieros.westcoastfiero.com/pix/photos/

try this

Yeah where is the video at? I wanna see. Kameo? Link

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I would think that you should be faster than a 14.5 if you beat a WRX. Even the best WRX drivers with abusive launches will get low 14'.3 @ best. from a roll there not that strong.

4 cams are always better than 1

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do you have any work done to your engine Erik ?

I know the picture's getting old, but the new donor engine will be here in a week or less!

quote Originally posted by WhiteFieroGT: do you have any work done to your engine Erik ?

Its the stock original manual equipped TDC, no power steering, underdrive pulley custom free flowing intake and exhaust and a lightweight flywheel.

awesome ... hey fierobsessed do you have any information as to how to duplicate that

quote Originally posted by Fierobsessed: I know the picture's getting old, but the new donor engine will be here in a week or less!

Fierobsessed,
Hmmmm 3.8 SC or 3.4 DOHC SC ..Make mine a 3.4 DOHC SC

haha ... i think i qualify hah if he had specs and everything ... i would so do that

I wouldn't even contemplate duplication untill the first ones complete. But, I wouldn't go about it the same way at all. I should have used a Ford Supercoupe Eaton M90 and a shallower air box. Building the motor to take the boost is a whole nother animal I have yet to tackle completly, But I do have my Idea's.

couldnt you use stock internals if you were using a fairly low amount of boost ?

quote Originally posted by Kameo Kid: http://fieros.westcoastfiero.com/pix/photos/ try this

Thanks Kameo Kid!

Those crate motor's we just bought were 96-97 style right? They are 9.7:1 Very little boost could be used. Something would have to be done to lower the compression to about 8.5:1. 9.0:1 is acceptable too. I'm planning on using Quad4 (non HO) pistons with custom or modified SBC Small Journal rods. Still undecided about the details on that. Or I'd go with custom pistons altogather. Either way it gets expensive.

How fast you ask?... well I beat S2000, 350Z, Mustang GT, Civic Si turbo, Eclipse 2nd gen turbo, Eclipse 3rd gen v6, Tiburon V6. The others dont count.... stock 4 cld na isnt a race. I dont have 1/4 mile time slips or dyno sheets, desktop dyno tells that I should be +300hp.

DreX

quote Originally posted by Kameo Kid: http://fieros.westcoastfiero.com/pix/photos/ try this

Man west coast video site is slow as crap. It may take up to 1 hour to download 10mb. That's ridiculous!! hehe.

quote Originally posted by Rare87GT: Man west coast video site is slow as crap. It may take up to 1 hour to download 10mb. That's ridiculous!! hehe.

I cant seem to DL the zip files ..it gets up to about 5 megs and then aborts + the DL speed is very slow and I am on broadband

quote Originally posted by Erik: I have had several encounters with newer ls1 Vettes and a ls1 Firehawk Firebird and beat them from stop light to stop light.

Your encounters with LS1's would indicate to me that they didn't know how to drive their cars. They are really quick if ya know how to launch em.

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quote Originally posted by Fierobsessed: I know the picture's getting old, but the new donor engine will be here in a week or less!

This would be a good one to put Legoboy's car up against!

This Picture: A 3.4L DOHC that takes approx. 7-10% of its overall power just ot make boost of the blower ...
Legoboys: A 3.4L DOHC that takes approx. 0-0% of its overall power just to make boost from the exhaust of the turbo!

--- Goober!

quote Originally posted by FordsNeverDie: This would be a good one to put Legoboy's car up against! This Picture: A 3.4L DOHC that takes approx. 7-10% of its overall power just ot make boost of the blower ... Legoboys: A 3.4L DOHC that takes approx. 0-0% of its overall power just to make boost from the exhaust of the turbo! --- Goober!

Actually, that's not entirely accurate, turbos do create more backpressure on an exhuast, which means more restriction, which means they do take some power to run. BUT, they still don't take as much as a blower does.

-Fish

i have tried to find information about turbo'ing but i cant find it ANYWHERE ... i guess i am going to go w/ the n/a 3400 then ... and retard the exhaust cams 13 deg ... but even doing that i need to get a core motor and start the stupid swap

quote Originally posted by liltobe: Im gonna rebuild my 2.8, but when that dies, Im gonna swap something, I really like the 3.4 DOHC's potential, with a turbo properly tuned, you got a beast.

I'd go for the 3.4 instead of spending time rebuilding the 2.8 then swapping it out with a 3.4 dohc. Rebuild kits cost 599$ at fierostore. Machine shop will cost around 300$.

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quote Originally posted by FrugalFiero: Your encounters with LS1's would indicate to me that they didn't know how to drive their cars. They are really quick if ya know how to launch em.

they knew how to drive. Its hard to beat a 4.10 off the line. Anyway, I didnt beat the Vettes or the Firehawk by much, but then again they appeared to be stock. At least thats what 2 of the owners said. Im sure if they were modded I would have lost. If it was a longer race then I would have lost as my gearing is so low and HP is not near as much. Of course I could mod mine out and blow them away, all it takes is some NOS or some work and some money ...been there done that many times in previous cars I've owned. I just love the Fiero with a 2** HP motor than can run with cars with amost twice the power

so if i sent you my car would you install it for me for free ... id even let you drive it first haha i wish i had time and money to finish ... or should i say start

That's what i'm planning on doing... a supercharged 3.4. I give you a lot of credit, Fierobsessed! I may be emailing you sometime soon about how you did that, because at this point in time, the 3400 is still sitting on its stand!

I know that a 13* retard DOHC has around 250HP at the flywheel, with around that much torque, though a few mods and you can get it higher than that N/A... http://fiero.cc/fiero-tdc/members/mws/ he has a 240 rear wheel horsepower DOHC. It looks like it's a beast.

Happy modding.

[This message has been edited by BadmojoFiero (edited 03-05-2004).]

Ok I have a huge question, what all is needed to swap in a 3.4 DOHC into a fiero and can the heads, intake, and comp be swapped from the DOHC to the pushrod 3.4?

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quote Originally posted by Godson: Ok I have a huge question, what all is needed to swap in a 3.4 DOHC into a fiero and can the heads, intake, and comp be swapped from the DOHC to the pushrod 3.4?

First off, You cant swap the heads from a 3.4 DOHC to a pushrod 3.4, the blocks are different and the pistons are too. Not only that but the oiling passages are different and there are other things that are different as well

Im sorry I dont have time to do a write up of whats involved at this time but here is a good start
http://fiero.cc/fiero-tdc/members/sketch/ for the basics on the motor swap
here is some info on the wiring and info on the motor swap as well
http://www.dohcfiero.com/

Why does retarding the exhaust cam give more HP? I could see it increasing torque at the expense of top end. Opening the exhaust valve earlier to get the exhaust out of the cylinder usually helps top end.

GL

quote Originally posted by Erik: First off, You cant swap the heads from a 3.4 DOHC to a pushrod 3.4, the blocks are different and the pistons are too. Not only that but the oiling passages are different and there are other things that are different as well Im sorry I dont have time to do a write up of whats involved at this time but here is a good start http://fiero.cc/fiero-tdc/members/sketch/ for the basics on the motor swap here is some info on the wiring and info on the motor swap as well http://www.dohcfiero.com/

I would be giving you a + but I havent been at this forum long enough to do it (only 4 days left until I can.) thanks for the info though

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