Edited with Pics and what Not.

Ok, due to the responses I got when I posted a message here, https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/034926.html I am now working on a kit that will plug into the existing Fiero plugs and will not harm the wiring.

I am hoping to have these done as soon as possible and keep the price down [200-250 for pop up light kits and 150 or so for Flushmount kits] Reason being you dont need the sealed beam conversion part of it. Please keep in mind these are preliminary prices and may not stay this way. They may go up OR down. O Yea, one last thing, that is for both sides.

If you have ANY questions or would like to express your intrest, please don't hesitate to E-mail, PM, or reply here.

Eric

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I want the FIRST SET! LMK!

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quote Originally posted by Smoooooth GT: nevermind, better pass on the first set forgot I was poor!

Well, if you wouldn't have spent all that money on fiberglass and bondo. . .
J/K.

I'll take a set whenever you get finished, not sure if it would be flush or not, probably flush mount though.

Lets see some pictures first?
Jamie

Need pics please!!

Add my name and e-mail to your list ... Go for it !!

Please let Chester and me know when you get them done as he wants HIDs for the "Rat".

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I want on the list also.

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Ok, I have some progress to report. I was able to work the bulbs into the enclosers that I want to use. So without any further Ado. . . [sp?]

Here are the parts I am using to put the kit together.

I need to make the HID bulb look like the H4 bulb on the right.

Here is the mounting base removed from the H4 bulb next to the HID bulb.

Here is the base on the HID bulb

So would I have to buy Tom's headlight kit before I would be able to use those?

so it looks like these can replace the stock headlights very easily? correct me if im wrong?
if they just replace the entire assembly he11 ya throw me in for a set once they come available to buy!
oh by the way those look totally awesome!
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quote Originally posted by iced_theater: So would I have to buy Tom's headlight kit before I would be able to use those?

No, right now the kit that I am working on is for the old school, stock pop ups. But I am also starting to work on a kit for Flushmounts, but that is going to be a little bit more difficult.

OK, one more pic, another comparason pic. This pic is with both HID lights installed. Man, these things are so bright, is unbelivable.

O yea, these pics really don't do these lights justice

-Eric

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You can convert and compress the movie with some codec, such as DivX. If you want me to do it, you have a PM from me with a place to upload the video to so I can convert it.

So for that money, we'd have everything we need to put it right into the car?
Matt

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quote Originally posted by fiero go fast: So for that money, we'd have everything we need to put it right into the car? Matt

Yes, BUT, at this time, the headlight buckets need to be partially modified. Right now, this is the only piece that needs to be "tweaked". The only other fun this is trying to find where to mount the Ignitors. As you can see from the pics, I have put the lights in my 88 Coupe, and in a week or two, I will know if they cause any problems or not, which i don't think there will be, but then, they will be made available to other people.

Any other questions???

-Eric

Sign me up for a set if they are $250 + shipping. When will the availablity date for the public be for the stock replacements (minus the minor mods)?

Thanks,
Greg

I have a H4 sealed beam conversion with bright white lights currently. I want hi/lo HID's. Will/can yours directly replace these and still offer high and low beam?

Chris

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Get these things going Eric!!

The FTP is still ready for you to upload your video.

quote Originally posted by cjgable: I have a H4 sealed beam conversion with bright white lights currently. I want hi/lo HID's. Will/can yours directly replace these and still offer high and low beam? Chris

I too have the H4 conversion, and ask the same question. Would you just sell the lighst and the igniter?

Ok,
At this time, the way I have the lights set up, they do not have hi/low beams. You do lose high beams, [personally I don't think you need them]. But I am working on mounting the projector into the housing, which would give high and low beams, but you cannot use any old H4 conversion housing. They need to be heavily modified.

Once I get done testing the lights on my own vehicle to make sure they don't cause any problems, I will make them available to people who don't mind losing their bright lights. Then off to making them fit in Flushmounts, then I will be start putting the projectors into the housings, but that may not happen for a little while.

So, for the people who don't mind loosing their "bright" lights, these kits should be available in about 2 weeks or so. the cost should be about 195 shipped for people who have the H4 conversion already [provided they are compatable.] and about 245 shipped for people that don't have H4 conversions. I will try and find pics of "compatable" and "non-compatable" headlamp housings.

I hope I cleared up any other questions. If there are more. . .you know where to find me.

-Eric

In no way am I trying to bring hate to this thread, but I first want to say something about HID lights to those that don't know. A HID light is specially designed for the housing it's enclosed in to put out light in certain areas. A retrofit kit like this, while it will produce more light, won't put it all in the correct areas. Therefore, it is illegal to use on public roads. Oncoming traffic WILL get a LOT of glare from your headlights. In fact, ALL of the retrofit kits are illegal right now and the DOT has been cracking down on this. I first found this out when Catz stopped making/selling their kits. Currently, there is ONE way you can get HID on your Fiero and that is a kit from Sylvania called the Xenarc kit. Provided is everything you need PLUS new headlight housings to properly focus and aim the beam of light that comes from a xenon bulb. The model for the Fiero is the X6054 sealed beam kit, and you don't lose your high beams.

Again, I'm not trying to bring anything negative to this thread. I'm sure a lot of people appreciate your hard work and dedication to bring products to the Fiero community for lower prices, but I just wanted to let those who didn't know in on what actually goes on.

Without insulting you, saying people don't need high beams is ignorant. A low beam, even in a HID application, is still a low beam. It still puts light out towards the ground closer to your car. A high beam is focused more upwards to project more light further down the road. It's a completely different type of lighting projection and the output simply cannot be compared to low beams.

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quote Originally posted by N2OInferno: In fact, ALL of the retrofit kits are illegal right now...

Yes, that's why pretty much all aftermarket equipment is sold as "for off-road or show use only". Good disclaimer, but if you were to get technical on a number of cars... you'd find things "illegal" It tends to be the risk we take to change our cars!

The videos are up. They're compressed in DivX 5.0.5. You can get them at www.teamcaf.org/headlights

The .avi are the compressed, and the .mov are the original. There isn't much quality difference between the two.

Ok, if you look in the Mall the H4 conversions are ready to go .

In response to N20Inferno:
I understand what you are saying and actually appreciate it. You told these people something that I had failed to mention. However, an HID bulb can be used in a regular housing, as long as two things are present. First, the piece that sits right in front of the light to block it from coming straight out [thus causing it to go backwards and reflect forward, creating a nice pattern] And the second thing being a slight alteration on the bulb that comes from the factory, this "blocker" is a small amount of ceramic designed to stop a certain amount of light from coming out.
And one last thing, I did not say you do not need high beams. What I said was that I FELT that they were not needed, with how bright they are. That and the fact that I RARLEY drive with high beams on probably contrubuted to what I said.
Again, I do appriciate your input to let the people of this community know about the lights, but please make sure that you know how things are set up before you respond.

Eric

It's the light scatter from the HID bulb that is the major problem, it doesn't have the same focal point as an H4 or stock sealed beam. The long lit filament causes the housing to scatter the light over a wider area instead of focusing it within a legal area. It's not just the sheild being needed to stop the glare from the element. As someone running an H4 conversion that I know is not legal also... this is just a warning. If a cop pulls you over for something else, it's one more ticket... or if they want an excuse to pull you over... there it is. Or if you get in an accident and someone says your lights caused the accident... your screwed.

It's a neat idea... but it IS illegal unless it has passed DOT regs.

I thought the kits were going to be for actual HID setups with reflectors and everything...
My bad, I guess I better start saving up big time money for a real HID conversion kit (big money). There are actually a few out there that I know of, but they cost over $1000... Even Hella and Warn make HID driving/spot/fog (they're switchable). These are over $1000CDN, but they have the proper reflectors in them and such...

Excellent work on the conversion, where I live, and the kind of driving I do, high beams are not "unnecessary", I require them because of deer.