As some of you know red85gt has a friend that can do cnc aluminum milling work, and he has agreed to make adapter plates and mounts, for various motors. He's also willing to do up a Ford adapter plate, and mounts. Now should we tread into Ford Territory? Is the 5.0 Ford motor the same bolt pattern as 351's? Are 5.0's reliable? or is it just more Ford junk? I'd be willing to try a ford motor (so does jlhuber), but my family has bought bad ford products in the past (1988 Ford Ranger... Great until we ran some engine cleaner stuff in it, and blew the motor, 1991 Ford ranger... needed $1500 of work done the day after we bought it, 1992 Mercury Topaz, lemon...) But of course people have bought bad GM products, so it's basically 50/50 chance for any company. Everyone vote, yay or nay... It'll bring the chance to bring in even more engines that may be swapped into our Fiero's... 16 for GM, then 10+ for Ford.

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-JESSE JAMES-

1984 Pontiac Fiero SE
Project Weekend Warrior has started...
(No engine for right now... What will I get next that I hope will be actually *good*?)

What about Mopar

quote Originally posted by 1985FieroGT: As some of you know red85gt has a friend that can do cnc aluminum milling work, and he has agreed to make adapter plates and mounts, for various motors. He's also willing to do up a Ford adapter plate, and mounts. Now should we tread into Ford Territory? Is the 5.0 Ford motor the same bolt pattern as 351's? Are 5.0's reliable? or is it just more Ford junk? I'd be willing to try a ford motor (so does jlhuber), but my family has bought bad ford products in the past (1988 Ford Ranger... Great until we ran some engine cleaner stuff in it, and blew the motor, 1991 Ford ranger... needed $1500 of work done the day after we bought it, 1992 Mercury Topaz, lemon...) But of course people have bought bad GM products, so it's basically 50/50 chance for any company. Everyone vote, yay or nay... It'll bring the chance to bring in even more engines that may be swapped into our Fiero's... 16 for GM, then 10+ for Ford.

Might want to restate that a bit. Red85 has not agreed to make them yet, it is still in the "I'll check it out" stage I thought.

I used to have a '89 Ranger with the 2.9, never had any problems with it 'til the engine got a big ole swig of some mud-puddle ale I currently have a '88 Ranger with the 2.9 that I am turning into a trail/hunting truck. It started life as a 4cyl 2wd, and is now v6 4wd lifted 3". All I have left is some wiring, interior, and exhaust (paint too, but that don't count).

FWIW, the Ford smallblock is also bigger (physical exterior dimentions) than GM's small block.

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AIM/YIM: asyferme

If you expect the unexpected, was it really even UNexpected in the first place?

'85 SE, 2.5, 5spd (duke just won't puke, so 350 got sold)
'86 SE, 2.8, auto (waiting for red85gt to make a Ford smallblock to Fiero slushbox adapter)

'02 Yamaha R6, blue/white, 3600 miles, LIGHT case of roadrash, for sale. Will accept Fiero(s) and/or parts as PARTIAL trade.

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I think a SBF would be great in a GT-40 rebody .... I vote for the 302 !!!

Well, what about Mopar too?

i would never put a ford motor in my fiero . but i do have a kid down the street that loves mustangs . so im more than sure that he would do a 5.0 l mustang in one . he has joked about it before . truthfully i think he really wants to do it and isnt just jokeing around .

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Pretty much anything is possible. The only real setback is the need for detailed diagrams with measurements and thickness. Also flywheels and clutches might be tricky to. Well a aluminum fly wheel would be possible to for doing this swap Maybe.... If it dosent require a steel insert then YEAH! IF you can buy a ring gear seperate from the FW. My only draw back is there arent motors and trannys laying around for me to take a caliper to and get all the dimensions.

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i saw a picture a while back...the comparison to a GM 2.8 and had some ford engines next to it....the Vpattern is huuuge on a ford compared to a chevy!

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zr-2 hoodscoop
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JUGGALO!!!!

theres a reason why you mainly see small block chevys in even Ford Hot Rods Plus if you win a race using a Ford engine (which would rarely happen) you bet them with a Ford product not a GM product. Also on a Ford engine the oil pan is facing the other way that will hit the cradle, not to metion mounting is completely different. also fords are slightly longer due to pull set-ups causing more clearnece issues. Theres a butt load more work tan just making a plate, even the plate has to be extreamly precise otherwise there would be nothing but problems. Youll have another zumwalt kit on your hands if its even possible to do it. And plus even if you take a ford engine and put it in, youd still be running 15s

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1987 Blue GT 5-speed
IM AOL: FieroGT5speed
yes im 17
yes this is my first car
no im not rich

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if your going to do a ford motor do a 2.5 DOHC v-6 (Probe GT/ Mazda MX6 engine) or the Yamaha SHO 3.0/3.2 DOHC v-6 those were awsome engines, very stable at higher RPM's and pretty common

Kyle

quote Originally posted by 1985FieroGT: Well, what about Mopar too?

quote http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/mopar_small_block.htm The Mopar Small Block is 1" narrower than the Chevy V8. At 29.5", they are 2" longer than the Chevy counterpart, The longer water pumps on the engines contribute to the overall length of the motor, and care should be taken to allow for this. The Mopar’s beat the conventional Chevy V8 by 25 lbs.

Shock value would be great

nay to that ford crap, chevy small blocks get the job done for sure

quote if your going to do a ford motor do a 2.5 DOHC v-6 (Probe GT/ Mazda MX6 engine) or the Yamaha SHO 3.0/3.2 DOHC v-6 those were awsome engines, very stable at higher RPM's and pretty common.

Yeah, I think it would be interesting to see one of those engines in a Fiero. Who knows, the Ford 4.6 DOHC V8 might be a viable alternative to the Northstar.

Settle down, folks. I said might.

Just my opinion So...this does'nt really matter because this will be taken the wrong way by someone I'm sure...lol

We already have the supplier for V-8's for our Fiero's. He also does Custom Choptop's, etc.... Here's a few example's: http://www.v8archie.com/choptop.htm http://www.v8archie.com/pmack.htm http://www.v8archie.com/murphy.htm http://http://www.v8archie.com/jduff.htm http://www.v8archie.com/nickc.htm http://www.v8archie.com/steenson.htm http://www.v8archie.com/wolfe.htm http://www.v8archie.com/mpupillo.htm http://www.v8archie.com/pat.htm http://www.v8archie.com/balfour.htm http://www.v8archie.com/jamie.htm http://www.v8archie.com/baer.htm http://www.v8archie.com/paul.htm http://www.v8archie.com/rayh.htm http://www.v8archie.com/gsmith.htm http://www.frontiernet.net/~jhall1 http://www.v8archie.com/harry.htm http://www.v8archie.com/bolle.htm http://www.v8archie.com/dburns.htm http://www.v8archie.com/wade.htm http://www.v8archie.com/morme.htm http://www.v8archie.com/pauls2.htm http://www.v8archie.com/bernier.htm http://www.v8archie.com/bassler.htm http://www.v8archie.com/winston.htm http://www.v8archie.com/marks.htm http://www.v8archie.com/chad.htm http://www.v8archie.com/v8steve.htm http://www.v8archie.com/jduff.htm http://www.v8archie.com/clem.htm

Here's a few even for sale...
http://www.v8archie.com/finofs.htm http://www.v8archie.com/silverfinofs.htm http://www.v8archie.com/warberfs.htm http://www.v8archie.com/finalefs.htm http://www.v8archie.com/dburns.htm http://www.v8archie.com/yelf40fs.htm http://www.v8archie.com/kaleyfs.htm http://www.v8archie.com/ssl500fs.htm http://www.v8archie.com/308fs.htm http://www.v8archie.com/bluefs.htm http://www.v8archie.com/85autofs.htm http://www.v8archie.com/imsafs.htm

Those are just a few reason thatI feel that the V8 conversion's are already covered..

I am not saying there's no-one would want to support this idea... I am not saying that you should'nt do it, I am not saying et., etc.....LOL

I am just saying there's already a wheel that's been invented, there's just no need to invent anotyer one...

Smooth~~

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~~SmoothGT~~

SmoothFieroGT@Yahoo.com

i would like to see the probe motor, thats it.

quote Originally posted by fieromadman: i would like to see the probe motor, thats it.

HAHAHAHAHAAAAA You are joking right..??

quote Originally posted by Smoooooth GT: HAHAHAHAHAAAAA You are joking right..??

I HOPE SO! I wasted a Probe with my stock 2.8 LOL!

No Flames Intended Im sure it was late when you posted that, either that or drunk?

Adam

quote Originally posted by fieromadman: i would like to see the probe motor, thats it.

I'm thinking he's talking about the 3.0 / 3.2 Yamaha motors. I wouldn't mind seeing one of those or the sho V-8 motor sitting in a fiero.

Not a big ford fan (even though I own one), so I would go with no on that one. It would be cool to see mounts to put actual vintage pontiac V-8's in fieros, I don't think that's been done yet, and it would be keeping w/pontiac roots too-the 2.8 isn't pontiac specific-used in many GM vehicles-I think a pontiac V-8 swap would be awesome!

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'86 Pontiac Fiero SE 2.8
'75 Fiat 124 Sport Spider 1800
'88 Ford T-Bird 2.3 Turbo Coupe This car is for sale! 2.3 l. 4cyl w/T-5 turbo-fast and fuel efficient, alarm, cd player, LCD in dash. Email if interested.
'67 Chevrolet K10

yeah im talkinga bout the yamaha motor, my ladyfriend has one with a 5 speed, and DAMN that thing is fast! It was doing 150ish, i'll say that

Im talking aobut the latest probes, not the older boxy looking POS's

I have a 1996 Probe GT with the 24 valve V6. It only has 165 HP, and is a freakin' NIGHTMARE to work on or get parts for. Not a good choice.

It does move the Probe around pretty good, though.

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NAY! A Ford motor in my lil Fiero ? Not in this lifetime !

Galen Smith
Red '85 Sport Coupe
Founder of Suncoast Fiero Club
Florida Fiero Council

What about the next lifetime Galen..??

Off this topic... Galen, Did you get the 308 headlight cover's..??

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~~Steve~~
~~SmoothGT~~

SmoothFieroGT@Yahoo.com

I think a flathead is the way to go in a fiero , could you make me an adaptor forthat??

Look at it this way...

you spend countless hours of time and work machining an adaptor. All of your valuable time and effort has gone into something that has a market smaller than anyone could possibly imagine. Lets say you sell 5 of these adaptors over a 5 year period. Can you imagine what you would have to charge per adaptor plate to make it a worth while endevour?

Time= Money.

why not spend the time and effort on an LS1 adaptor. I can see that actually being worth while.

Probe motors are Mazda engines. you want a fiero powered by a mazda? Ford was bad enough...

JM
86 GT Northstar , 288cams, Chrfab commander 950, 75 shot

I agree!!! NO FORD JUNK!!YUK!! I have built them for friends! I have beaten them on the street!!! Have you ever priced a 302 fuel injected gasket set!!!! $100!!! Just not worth it!!! Now it would be cool to see a 455 Pontiac!!!! or 400, 350, etc.... Keeping it all pontiac!!! The funny thing is if you go to the drags and take a close look at the rustangs! Alot of them have sbc!!!!!! Now that says alot!

Hey Smoooooth , In our next lifetime we'll be driveing Fiero's with anti-gravity , chromed " Duel Capacitor Flux'es " . And going to go car shows on Mars for the weekend . I guess once a " Gear Head " , always a gear head ?

Still haven't received the Ferrari 308 headlight covers . But you know how snail mail is . I'll give you a yell when I get them . Sent an e-mail off to Doug at Fiero Warehouse to see if he's got a rear GT Fascia ?

What's the story with Smooooth GT's engine ? What's shaken ?

Galen Smith
Red '85 Sport Coupes
Founder of Suncoast Fiero Club
Florida Fiero Council

really. go buy a mutsnag if you want 302. ug.

quote Originally posted by breakneck88: I agree!!! NO FORD JUNK!!YUK!! I have built them for friends! I have beaten them on the street!!! Have you ever priced a 302 fuel injected gasket set!!!! $100!!! Just not worth it!!! Now it would be cool to see a 455 Pontiac!!!! or 400, 350, etc.... Keeping it all pontiac!!! The funny thing is if you go to the drags and take a close look at the rustangs! Alot of them have sbc!!!!!! Now that says alot!

...You think $100 is bad for a gasket set!? I paid $150 for the gaskets in my Quad 4 and that didn't include the head gasket ($100 for the good headgasket that *suposedly* won't blow)

I think I will do the Ford motor just because people say not to.

Reading this post reminds me of a saying-
"Arguing on the interent is like the special olympics: no matter who wins, you're all still 'tards."

DARE TO BE DIFFERENT

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quote Originally posted by 1985FieroGT: Now should we tread into Ford Territory? Is the 5.0 Ford motor the same bolt pattern as 351's? Are 5.0's reliable? or is it just more Ford junk?

NO!

Every other week someone asks "I can get a Mustang 5.0 (or other engine) for free from my sister's boyfriend's brother's uncle. How much work is involved to install in my Fiero?"

While anything is possible, the misc. costs associated of going with a totally new "foreign" engine swap will add up to more than it would have cost to do a more traditional "cross-family" swap into the Fiero. This is because you will need more than just an adaptor plate to make it work, and everything will need to be custom fabricated. eBay is littered with unfinished projects that started this way.

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2002/2003 World of Wheels Winner &
Multiple IASCA Stereo Award Winner

quote Originally posted by Slammed Fiero: I think a flathead is the way to go in a fiero , could you make me an adaptor forthat?? Look at it this way... you spend countless hours of time and work machining an adaptor. All of your valuable time and effort has gone into something that has a market smaller than anyone could possibly imagine. Lets say you sell 5 of these adaptors over a 5 year period. Can you imagine what you would have to charge per adaptor plate to make it a worth while endevour? Time= Money. why not spend the time and effort on an LS1 adaptor. I can see that actually being worth while. Probe motors are Mazda engines. you want a fiero powered by a mazda? Ford was bad enough... JM 86 GT Northstar , 288cams, Chrfab commander 950, 75 shot

holy crap im actually agreeing with slammed. If anything do what justinjob said,adaptors for pontiac 400/455. But as i said earlier theres a lot more engineering to be done then just finding the patternes and making a plate

Actually I can have these made fairly cheap. Cost about $200 for the plate. Machining is easy when you use a band saw to get the rough shape and a CNC mill to drill the holes. I knew this would happen suggest something diff and you get slammed for it. Why cant you guys be positive and give them support instead of shitting on our idea?

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quote Originally posted by red85gt: Why cant you guys be positive and give them support instead of shitting on our idea?

Ok, I think you should do it.

Archie

quote Originally posted by Archie: Ok, I think you should do it. Archie

Dont get me wrong here but...

I think archie wants a Ford motor for his GT-40 kit

It's already been done
http://www.kitcentral.com/cgi-bin/showprogress.cgi?builderid=305&zoom=1555&startat=10

what was that a reply to the gt40 thing or the thread in general?

These plates would be for the stock transmission, he's using the audi tranny..

quote Originally posted by fieromadman: I think archie wants a Ford motor for his GT-40 kit

Actually that's not what I had in mind.

By the title of this thread these guys asked "What's your take?......."

Then they got insulted when people gave them their take, so I thought I'd turn the thread around with some kind words.

I know what's involved in designing a completely new kit that actually works. It's a lot more than punching a few holes on a CNC Mill. You actually have to build 2, 3 or 4 cars to fully prototype all the parts you'll need. I don't think they really realize how much time it takes to fully develope something like this. But, what the heck, why shouldn't they try it Get some experience running & programming a CNC. They'll get a feel for what all is involved in this kind of project. Maybe they won't come up with a Ford V-8 kit for the Fiero but, You never know, maybe 10 years from now, these guys could be in business putting V-10's into the new GTO's or the Solstace (spelling). The Fiero isn't the 1st car I ever put a V-8 in.

Archie

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quote Originally posted by Archie: Actually that's not what I had in mind. By the title of this thread these guys asked "What's your take?......." Then they got insulted when people gave them their take, so I thought I'd turn the thread around with some kind words.

Eh, something along those lines. It was a question of "Should we have plates made?" not "What do you all think of Ford products?"