The original post was entered last night, removed by Cliff, reinstated by me, and then closed after 7 replies. Cliff has done nothing but reinforce my contentions, all of them. I stated he would not let it go for 10 posts, he closed it after 7. In addition to that, he did like a good beatch would and got the last word before he slammed the door. My girlfriend does that. Furthermore, he refused to answer my question regarding the Fierolisa post vs. the Archie post. As he slammed the door, he wrote this;

The post above was removed within minutes or hours of original posting. I don't know the relationship between Cliff and Archie, but I now know that economic politics play a part in this club.

Now Cliff, you can remove this post, you can ban me from the club, you can even report me to Yahoo or whom ever you want. But you will never successfully sensor me, so let this post stand and go away. All you're doing by removing my posts is substantiating my contentions. I'm not trying to harm your commercial enterprise, just merely defend my position. I could email everyone in the club with this information from an anonymous computer, so don't think you can shut me up.

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You have got to be ******* kidding me. Don't go that way. Don't even think of going that way. I'll tell you why I deleted that post. Because it's my ******* forum on my ******* server and I can do whatever I damn well feel like doing. Don't like it? Well boo-*******-hoo. I will not give you any explanation. If you can't grasp the simpel notion of off-topic posting, than you have no business here anyway.

And don't you ever tell me what I should or shouldn't do on my own ******* forum again.

Archie clears things up with this:

I'll tell you why I deleted that post. Because it's my ******* forum on my ******* server and I can do whatever I damn well feel like doing.

Oh, I see. could you slow it down a little, this is a little too complex. By the way, I retract that 'sharp guy' assumption. A sharp person would never reduce themselves to this dialouge. And you avoided the question as to why you allowed to stand the post about Fierolisa. But after seeing this last explanation, I think I'll pass due to the expectation that I'll recieve a reply as ornate as this one.

By the way Cliff, you shouldn't use that form of language on the internet, in your forum.

OK, I was try to be nice earlier, and probably should ignore it now. But you are getting Cliff really pissed off and maybe about to screw this up for everybody. Which part of 'Cliff does not have to answer to you' are you having trouble understanding? This is not debate class. Drop it and/or go away!!!

I didn't see your post regarding the Lisa vs. Archie thread, but if it was anywhere near as insulting to Cliff as this post it doesn't take much smarts to realize why the post was removed. Your comment about Cliff and Archie being in finanial kahoots is pure BS. If I were Cliff I don't honestly think I would be nearly as patient with some of the forum members as he has been, come on, the guy spends his time to give us good place to hang out and talk about our love of a certain automobile, and you have the nerve to insult him?? When was the last time you did something for the Fiero community, if you have a problem with the forum or any of the members on it, nobodies forcing you to come here.

Hey man
If for some strange reason Cliff lets you stay on here, you better go and change your name. You are going waaaay too far, buddy. I don't know what started this, but I only hope that everyone will just ignore you from now on.

Please don't acknowledge this guy, everybody.

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must really take alot to threaten somone over the internet... it is his board and he can do what he wants. he never askes for $ and usually keeps the riff raff out.

Ed, you have just gone too far. I'll be in the States in two weeks. Expect to be contacted then.

Ya know, isn't it amazing how people work. Cliff sensors my message and then emails me privately with this;

Listen Ed, got a problem with the way I handle the forum? You think I
MAKE MONEY direct or indirect with the forum? Well wake up and smell the
coffee pal. The forum is costing me over $1000 (yes, thousand) dollars
each and every month to pay for the server and bandwidth. And what do I
get in return? Nothing. Not a cent. No free parts. No special treatment.
Only some ****ing assholes who find it necessary to mess with something
that is offered FREE by someone who has a deep passion for the Fiero. So
don't you ever again accuse me for having a commercial agenda here. I
will not ban you or contact gte.net (yet), but don't mess with my forum.
I take that highly personal and will consider that a personal attack.
And I don't respond well to personal attacks.

- Cliff

I do question the $1,000 per month, and if he does pay server fees of $1,000 per month, I doubt they're exclusivly dedicated to PFF. Furthermore, if he does pay $1,000 for server fees (which I highly doubt), then he must be so loaded that it doesn't affect him. If he was loaded, why would he push his gauge sets? He would be out making more millions doing something else. It doesn't add up. I hope he doesn't have the gall to be angry about me making public this email. I mean after all, he sensorred my message, why should I respect his privacy?

Cliff wrote;

"So don't you ever again accuse me for having a commercial agenda here."

Cliff sells a good product, this forum on CD ROM.

Cliff then writes;

"I will not ban you or contact gte.net (yet), but don't mess with my forum. I take that highly personal and will consider that a personal attack. And I don't respond well to personal attacks.

If we look back to a post by Archie, we notice some simularities. Look at an abstract from Archies post;

"I believe this will be the first time anyone has done a project like this live on the Internet. This, like anything else that is posted to the Internet, becomes a permanent record on some server somewhere. E, & E et al, as you try to make jerks out of yourselves, remember that 5 years from now, When you've grown up, your actions today will still be available for others to read."

Notice a correlation? Both of these guys operate with the use of fear-mongering. They threaten, both overt and veiled. They talk about possible jeopardy as if they have some control over your life. Hmmmm, (scratch, scratch, scratch) has anyone ever seen these guys together? If not, maybe the theory that Archie and Cliff are the same guy should be implemented? Isn't it obvious that 'Cliff' lets people slam other forum members, but not Archie too much? Food for thought.

Ed GET A LIFE....and while your at it pull that B-52 out of your a** and reinsert my boot.

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