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3800 XP-hot cam advice by Flux
Started on: 05-28-2013 12:45 AM
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Report this Post05-28-2013 12:45 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FluxSend a Private Message to FluxDirect Link to This Post
Okay, the guys on the facebook group have been very helpful but I am still undecided on how to go about installing an XP cam

What I would like to do is run the XP cam with the #105 springs and modded retainers that ZZP offers on their website. no double timing chain, just an OEM chain replacement or roller master single chain. I am probably not going to be spinning this thing out past 6000 all the time, if at all, as I am running the muncie 4 speed anyways.

what else do I need to install this cam? thanks guys
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Report this Post05-28-2013 01:23 AM Click Here to See the Profile for trotterlgSend a Private Message to trotterlgDirect Link to This Post
I think stock everythign is good for 6,000 so why are you moding anything? Larry
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Report this Post05-28-2013 01:23 AM Click Here to See the Profile for jb1Send a Private Message to jb1Direct Link to This Post
need?
I have same cam but double row timing chain...
are you asking like headers, injectors, pulley etc?
or gaskets etc?


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Report this Post05-28-2013 01:36 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FluxSend a Private Message to FluxDirect Link to This Post
any parts that need to be modified to accept the XP cam so I don't end up with valve float or any leaking seals later down the road maybe?
and yea gaskets, etc. i shouldn't need new injectors since i won't be running a pulley size small enough to cause them to static out

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Report this Post05-28-2013 01:42 AM Click Here to See the Profile for jb1Send a Private Message to jb1Direct Link to This Post
you should be fine with what you have,, as far as gaskets ZZP offers a Cam Install kit with all the gaskets and new chain damper , rocker bolts etc..
http://shop.zzperformance.c...Cam-Install-Kit.aspx

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Report this Post05-28-2013 01:58 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FluxSend a Private Message to FluxDirect Link to This Post
ah, that's it? thank you
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Originally posted by Flux:

Okay, the guys on the facebook group have been very helpful but I am still undecided on how to go about installing an XP cam

What I would like to do is run the XP cam with the #105 springs and modded retainers that ZZP offers on their website. no double timing chain, just an OEM chain replacement or roller master single chain. I am probably not going to be spinning this thing out past 6000 all the time, if at all, as I am running the muncie 4 speed anyways.

what else do I need to install this cam? thanks guys


This is how I have been running the XP for 6 years..No issues..

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Report this Post05-28-2013 07:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MstangsBwareSend a Private Message to MstangsBwareDirect Link to This Post
 
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Might be to.late but if not dont go with Comp springs...Been known to break since opeeations moved to Mexico. Get the Crowe or PAC.

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Report this Post05-28-2013 08:31 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FluxSend a Private Message to FluxDirect Link to This Post
not too late, I will go with the PAC springs. thank you!
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Report this Post05-29-2013 02:13 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FluxSend a Private Message to FluxDirect Link to This Post
should I bother with LS7 lifters & hardened comp push rods?
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Report this Post05-29-2013 03:04 AM Click Here to See the Profile for jb1Send a Private Message to jb1Direct Link to This Post
I see no reason why, what mileage is on this motor? I am using my stock lifters they only have 16k miles on them.

 
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should I bother with LS7 lifters & hardened comp push rods?


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Report this Post05-29-2013 09:27 AM Click Here to See the Profile for revinSend a Private Message to revinDirect Link to This Post
My rule is always replace the lifters and springs when doing a cam swap of any degree. Push rods, never. just clean and use again.
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Report this Post05-29-2013 10:33 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FluxSend a Private Message to FluxDirect Link to This Post
i think just over 130,000km or 80,000 miles is on the engine. reason why I say hardened push rods is because it's been recommended due to cases of bent push rods, it would just be extra security. as for LS7 lifters, they are cheaper than the OE comp lifters offered on ZZP haha.
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should I bother with LS7 lifters & hardened comp push rods?


Not needes at all..Still running stock lifters and pushrods...
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Report this Post05-29-2013 09:23 PM Click Here to See the Profile for thismanyfierosSend a Private Message to thismanyfierosDirect Link to This Post
The 3.25 pulley is close to needing an intercooler range.. Be careful and monitor for KR.. Some engines are ok with it and some aren't..
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Report this Post05-30-2013 01:49 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FluxSend a Private Message to FluxDirect Link to This Post
yea i won't go any lower than 3.25 without an intercooler/injectors etc and it is being flashed for that size, i should be okay
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Originally posted by Flux:

should I bother with LS7 lifters & hardened comp push rods?


FWIW LS7 lifters ARE the same exact lifters as new stock ones.

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Report this Post05-31-2013 12:29 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FluxSend a Private Message to FluxDirect Link to This Post
good, I might as well replace them while I have the engine apart.
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Report this Post05-31-2013 10:02 AM Click Here to See the Profile for LFiero67Send a Private Message to LFiero67Direct Link to This Post
You will need to measure for the correct pushrod length. The X-P has a smaller base circle than stock, and LS7 lifters have a shallower cup. Stock pushrods may or may not work.

A scanner/ tuning software will be a requirement to get the most out of it.

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Report this Post05-31-2013 10:40 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FluxSend a Private Message to FluxDirect Link to This Post
would these OE comp lifters work better, then? http://shop.zzperformance.c...ompetition-Cams.aspx
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Report this Post05-31-2013 09:20 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FluxSend a Private Message to FluxDirect Link to This Post
k........... anything other necessary bits and pieces I should throw on this list?:
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Report this Post05-31-2013 09:25 PM Click Here to See the Profile for LFiero67Send a Private Message to LFiero67Direct Link to This Post
Those or ls7 lifters will help with the dip, either way I'd be measuring for pushrods and ordering the right ones. I like the LS7 as they have been designed as a long life lifter for oem use, that is designed for 7000 rpm. They technically will drop in, without issue, but the proper preload will reduce the chances of pump up and resulting loss of top end power.
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Report this Post05-31-2013 09:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FluxSend a Private Message to FluxDirect Link to This Post
I am just going to reuse the stock pushrods
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