Ok, I am ready to start my thread on my engine swap. Just have to get a few pictures up.

My car is a black 1988 fiero GT fastback with t-tops and 18" MSW wheels.
I currently have a poorly installed series 1 SC engine installed with a series 2 4t65-e transmission and PCM.

I am currently building my series 2 SC engine that I plan on installing it in the nexted month or so.
The engine has a a thrasher cam installed
extremely ported and polished heads,
SS intercooler.
LS1 throttle body.
bigger valves
Ported and polished lower intake,
3.1 pulley
130# valve springs
you name it, this engine has it.
I have been gathering parts for over a year now, grapping what I could used and buying the rest.

Still need:
low alternator mount
poly mounts for engine and transmission
exhaust work
intercooler heat exchanger
intercooler pump/ and hoses
more money
I might redo the wiring too.
I am sure that I am missing something

[This message has been edited by fierofan25 (edited 01-21-2011).]

I don't think there is enough room for one back there, I used the grand prix dogbone bracket moved to the other side.

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You will need to chop up that stock coil back bracket a ton so it will be fairly impossible to do anything mounting wise with it. There is very little room to work with up there, and there is also no easily accessible structural steel up there either.

Who is going to do the tuning on that TEP cam? There are very few people in the country that have ever had any luck with them.

I hope Darth Fiero will be able to help me with the tune. I plan on loading up the whole car and taking it to him when I am done.

Just ordered mounts from FieroX. thanks FieroX. Now I just need to found a low mount alternator.

I also ordered this set up from WCF. I hope It does not take 2 months to get!!


What do you guys think.Lonnie

[This message has been edited by fierofan25 (edited 01-24-2011).]

it will take 4-6 months to get. and like 3 for them to process payment.

yea I waited three months for a couple parts from there, good parts, not to great customer service, not trying to talk bad about the company, like I said good parts, but I will probably never buy from them again

I know it will be worth the wait. If you can't build your own stuff, there's not many venues to get fabricated parts that are not only well made, but come without forum drama. West coast might be slow, but their product is something I've put my name on a waiting list for, and I can build everything they sell.

By the way, very smart move using a steal dogbone mount. The aluminum dogbone "snapping" issue is the most annoying part of any 3800 swap.

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I must live a charmed life , i have purchased many parts from Chris and Steve. Cant say I ever felt like something took to long, If you ever do start to feel that way Lonnie just give them a call .

-Kemp

L67: are you saying you make the same parts as them?

Yes. The point is, I still order from them, some of their products are a great value. For instance, their stamped polyurethane engine and transmission mounts are well designed and brilliantly priced. If I'm in a rush, I can build my own, but I'd rather wait because they do awesome work, and at a great price. I've also heard a lot about Chris West from the people he knows, and I really applaud his philosophies and business ethics. Chris even walked me entirely through replacing the clutch on the phone one day, back in 2004 - I had ordered an aluminum dogbone from them, he had absolutely no reason to coach me, but he did. I'm a loyal customer. I also hear that the "orders" white board in the shop is never less than half full, they stay relatively busy, so I understand the wait.

How you doing your low alt bracket? or are you buying it.. if you dont use a/c its REALLY easy to make one yourself

well the WCF clutch and flywheel look expensive, is there another place or person you recommend?

for clutch, clutchnet. if youre looking for a regular flywheel, try rockauto then take it to a machine shop to be machined.

which clutch do i use on clutchnet? I cant figure out how to use the website

Spec Stage 3 and 3+ will fail with anything more than 350 whp. Member grsychckn reported his clutchnet clutch wouldn't hold the torque of his mildly built L67, I'm not familiar with their lineup, perhaps he ordered a lighter duty clutch than what he needed. Read about it here if you want to investigate: link. I'm in the process of building a turbo 3800, and I plan to use a Bully clutch out of Canada, because of recommendation and comparisons to SPEC I've gotten from clubgp. These are power based suggestions, but you'll have some names to compare to West Coast's lineup. Of course there are some costs you won't be able to get around, such as the clutch.

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quote Originally posted by fierofan25: I hope Darth Fiero will be able to help me with the tune. I plan on loading up the whole car and taking it to him when I am done.

That should prove to be hilarious.

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: That should prove to be hilarious.

Why should that prove to be hilarious?

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: That should prove to be hilarious.

As unnecessary as that was, I can't help but be humored.

Good luck with the swap, man. I'm still in the mental preparation stage for the swap, aaand I might be waiting 'til taxes come in.

quote Originally posted by fierofan25: Why should that prove to be hilarious?

I wouldnt be taking a notoriously hard to tune aggressive cam to someone that has never tuned an normal aggressive cam before.

I have always offered mostly free tuning service to any fiero guy that wanted to come to my area, and I have tuned more NIC/TEP/XPZ/IS3 cams than i can remember at this point.

The reason is that I have ordered from them in the past(like 3 years ago)when I did my first 3800 swap and It was a complete mess.Sent them 1000$. Took months to get parts and some I never have got,had to send some of it back becouse it was the wrong part. I hope they have gotten there act togather, becouse they do make some nice stuff. also they have already charged my credit card for the part.

quote Originally posted by Kemp3: I must live a charmed life , i have purchased many parts from Chris and Steve. Cant say I ever felt like something took to long, If you ever do start to feel that way Lonnie just give them a call . -Kemp

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quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: I wouldnt be taking a notoriously hard to tune aggressive cam to someone that has never tuned an normal aggressive cam before. I have always offered mostly free tuning service to any fiero guy that wanted to come to my area, and I have tuned more NIC/TEP/XPZ/IS3 cams than i can remember at this point.

Well damn, looks like I'm goin' to Michigan, assuming you're still in the business whenever I get to do the swap.

I have not made my mine up yet.I am not bashing anyone. I have heard a lot of good thing about Ryan and if he said he could tune it than I believe him. I have also called c-ya racing.com and they said that they have tuned hundreds of 3800's with the thrasher cam. Also there is a guy in columbus,OH that is on the 3800pro forum and he has tuned a few with the cam. Thanks

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: I wouldnt be taking a notoriously hard to tune aggressive cam to someone that has never tuned an normal aggressive cam before. I have always offered mostly free tuning service to any fiero guy that wanted to come to my area, and I have tuned more NIC/TEP/XPZ/IS3 cams than i can remember at this point.

Got my mounts from FieroX today and they look great!!! They look better than WCF mounts. Have not gotten my bracket from WCF yet, hopefully soon.Thanks lonnie

[This message has been edited by fierofan25 (edited 01-28-2011).]

lonnie where in ohio you located? im south of cleveland, in the medina area.

I live it stockport ohio in morgan county

here are some pictures of my low mount I made. I am still waiting on the one from WCF.

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quote Originally posted by L67: Spec Stage 3 and 3+ will fail with anything more than 350 whp. Member grsychckn reported his clutchnet clutch wouldn't hold the torque of his mildly built L67, I'm not familiar with their lineup, perhaps he ordered a lighter duty clutch than what he needed. Read about it here if you want to investigate: link. I'm in the process of building a turbo 3800, and I plan to use a Bully clutch out of Canada, because of recommendation and comparisons to SPEC I've gotten from clubgp. These are power based suggestions, but you'll have some names to compare to West Coast's lineup. Of course there are some costs you won't be able to get around, such as the clutch.

before you buy the Bully clutch get in touch with me i may be able to get it cheaper, I was looking into the same clutch and i have a friend who gets a great discount on them here in Canada, I have driven a few 3.8 turbo and SC with the bully clutch htey are a bit grabby but WOT never a problem with sliping

could you please go high jack someone's thread besides mine.thanks

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So I called WCF and they said that they would refund my money and that it should take a day or two. They also said that they sent out my arm-torque mount kit. So good so far, we will see.Thanks

I am going to install my 3800SC series 2 this weekend. I have the engine and cradle out right now. I sent my PCM to a guy in columbus,ohio he cut me a good deal. As soon as I get it up and running I am going to take the car to him for a dyno tune. I can not wait till it is up and running. Thanks Lonnie