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Sandblast and 4.9 valve cover; Risky? by falcon_ca
Started on: 01-03-2012 05:16 PM
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Report this Post01-03-2012 05:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for falcon_caSend a Private Message to falcon_caDirect Link to This Post
Because they are made of magnesium, Is there any risk of fire when sandblasting 4.9 valve covers ?

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Report this Post01-03-2012 05:23 PM Click Here to See the Profile for NiterrorzSend a Private Message to NiterrorzDirect Link to This Post
no only grinding.....which I took a wire wheel to mine before I knew what they were made of...no fire though but I wouldn't do it again
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I found this about mag wheels.

http://www.roadsters.com/wheels/

"Magnesium is dangerous. If it ever catches fire, throw a bucket of sand on it and run for your life. When magnesium burns, it virtually can't be stopped. Small quantities of magnesium are used to make photoflash bulbs. Larger quantities are used to make bombs."

Maybe a paint stripper would be safer? I'm not sure what you could do about any pitting that has started.

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Report this Post01-03-2012 05:37 PM Click Here to See the Profile for NiterrorzSend a Private Message to NiterrorzDirect Link to This Post
ya even D rated fire extinguishers are hit and miss when it comes to putting out metal fires. If you just want to play it safe a soak in paint thinner will do it.
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I used paint stripper and got as much off as I could that way and then used glass bead in my blaster to get the rest off. Worked well.

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Report this Post01-03-2012 07:34 PM Click Here to See the Profile for mattwaSend a Private Message to mattwaDirect Link to This Post
Yea before I knew that fact, I ground down my 4.9 valve cover while it was in the engine bay..I'm sure alot of shavings got thrown in the firewall insulation...greaaat. That valve cover is now gone, but still.

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Report this Post01-03-2012 07:37 PM Click Here to See the Profile for psychosurferSend a Private Message to psychosurferDirect Link to This Post
Not sure if it is a fire hazard. However, you could hydro-blast them (sand and water). We have done that on the street rod bodies to keep the warping that comes from sandblasting down (the water keeps the metal cool enough to maintain form. Then etch wipe down and a compatible primer before the rust sets in ).
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Report this Post01-03-2012 07:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadDirect Link to This Post
Please note that the fire hazard for magnesium is for "finely divided" - in simple terms, fine powder.

Solid, formed, cast magnesium is not much of a hazard.

Note also that many common materials are extremely flammable when "finely divided".
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

Please note that the fire hazard for magnesium is for "finely divided" - in simple terms, fine powder.

Solid, formed, cast magnesium is not much of a hazard.

Note also that many common materials are extremely flammable when "finely divided".


Yep. I've burnt magnesium for fun. In fillings, it burns pretty easily. In solid masses (like half of a chevy transfer case for example) it takes a good hot bon fire to get it to light...and even then it needs to sit in the fire pit for a good half hour to an hour before it takes off. Once a large mass lights, it's almost impossible to put out...convensional methods don't work and water can actually make it burn even hotter once it gets going. Fun stuff.
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Oh, and as far as the sandblasting, see if anyone in your area does sodablasting. From my experience, it's slightly more expensive, but much easier on the metal. Either way, be sure to rinse them out with brake cleaner and blow them off with compressed air. You don't want left over sand or baking soda floating around in your engine.
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Report this Post01-03-2012 09:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Dennis LaGruaSend a Private Message to Dennis LaGruaDirect Link to This Post
You've got to be very careful when sandblasting valve covers. If any stuck stray particles of abrasive get trapped/remain and end up in the engine it could cause severe damage, If you sandblast, keep the sand from the inner surface and try to powerwash afterwards. I play it safe and use paint stripper. It takes a few applications but it is safer.

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I found that straight lacquer thinner worked to dissolve the factory black paint. Soaking them took a while to work but it did the job. My valve covers ended up having oxidation under the paint and needed a good hand sanding to smooth things out. Before I knew about the "hazards", I used a dremel with a cut off wheel to remove those threaded pieces between the ribs of the back valve cover. Then I continued to use a had file and sand paper to achieve the look I was after. I didn't have any fires but swept up all the filings after I found out they were flammable and tried to light them (under safe conditions)...no success. I wouldn't stress yourself too much.
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Report this Post01-04-2012 07:36 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jtsordelSend a Private Message to jtsordelDirect Link to This Post
Fieroseverywhere bead-blasted mine and his and we didn't cause any fires. I even used a die grinder to sand off the paint off the center section and still didn't ruin anything. Like others have said, be careful, sweep away the dust and go slowly. Being ignorant and sanding away while smoking a cigarette might lead to a disaster, but simple safety precautions should keep you from burning down the house. Others have offered different methods to achieve the same results, so really, the choice is yours.

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Report this Post01-04-2012 08:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Dave E BouySend a Private Message to Dave E BouyDirect Link to This Post
Some one recently told me that the decklid grills are magnesium. If this is the case I've not only sandblasted mine, I also ran one through the self cleaning cycle in my powder-coating oven at temps approaching 800 to bake the original coating off. Doh! Incidentally temps that high caused the grill to warp pretty severely so don't try this at home.

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I was once involved with a magnesium fire in a landfill. Even with 10 feet of compacted clay covering the burning material, flames could be seen coming through the dirt at night as well as a constant popping that could be felt in the bulldozer we used to keep it covered. It burned underground like that for 5 or 6 days.

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Report this Post01-04-2012 08:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Finally_Mine_86_GTSend a Private Message to Finally_Mine_86_GTDirect Link to This Post
Degrease it, and wetsand it by hand. A little more time consuming but worth it in the end. No worries. Start with a heavier grit then move to finer grits. Like you would do anywhere else.
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Originally posted by Dave E Bouy:

Some one recently told me that the decklid grills are magnesium. If this is the case I've not only sandblasted mine, I also ran one through the self cleaning cycle in my powder-coating oven at temps approaching 800 to bake the original coating off. Doh! Incidentally temps that high caused the grill to warp pretty severely so don't try this at home.

DF

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I was once involved with a magnesium fire in a landfill. Even with 10 feet of compacted clay covering the burning material, flames could be seen coming through the dirt at night as well as a constant popping that could be felt in the bulldozer we used to keep it covered. It burned underground like that for 5 or 6 days.



If the decklid grills are magnesium, then I would say sandblasting them wouldn't be a problem, considering I tried to weld one and it didn't light up.

I was also involved in a magnesium fire... Actually I set it . I worked in a rail scrap yard and had just started there. They had a pallet of 50 lb sacks of magnesium fillings that were used to weld rail together. I was told to use a torch and cut the truck keys of the trucks so we could remove the wheels. First time ever doing it and the guy on the forklift gettin the trucks set me up next to this pallet of magnesium. A few sparks from cutting with the torch hit the pallet and the magnesium started burning. I freaked and tossed as many bags off the pallet as I could before the fire got to hot. Then jumped in a Bobcat with a bucket and burried the rest in dirt. Scared the crap out of me and I thought for sure that was my last day at that job. Luckily it wasn't.
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