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3800 v6 Purple reign low alt mount interference by JamesCurtis
Started on: 07-16-2009 11:15 AM
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Report this Post07-16-2009 11:15 AM Click Here to See the Profile for JamesCurtisSend a Private Message to JamesCurtisDirect Link to This Post
While I'm waiting for a reply from PR, I figured I'd throw this up in the forums. Those of you that used his low alt mount, what oil filter adapter did you use? The adapter I have makes the oil pressure sender face the rear of the car which interferes with the bracket and causes the alternator to not have full adjustment. It was "ok" until I put the fiero's oil pressure sender in it, but the fiero's sender is physically much larger than the grand prix's.

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Report this Post07-16-2009 11:38 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Dennis LaGruaSend a Private Message to Dennis LaGruaDirect Link to This Post
Use the smaller 88 2.8L sender instead of that huge can. Its also more reliable. Problem solved.

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Report this Post07-16-2009 12:01 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JamesCurtisSend a Private Message to JamesCurtisDirect Link to This Post
Where do I get the smaller sender from?

P.S. This is why I love these forums, little tips like these

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Report this Post07-16-2009 12:37 PM Click Here to See the Profile for smartaxelClick Here to visit smartaxel's HomePageSend a Private Message to smartaxelDirect Link to This Post
88 Fiero sender? I got my last one from rockauto.com. genuine Delco
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Report this Post07-16-2009 12:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JamesCurtisSend a Private Message to JamesCurtisDirect Link to This Post
Ah, it's weird because I used the sender that came from an 88 gt. There must've been some sort of redesign?

Here's a picture of rockauto's


The one i'm using has a silver body that looks a little different.
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Report this Post07-16-2009 03:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for LAMBOSend a Private Message to LAMBODirect Link to This Post
Why would you need your alternator to be adjustable? That's what the belt tensioner is for.
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Report this Post07-16-2009 03:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JamesCurtisSend a Private Message to JamesCurtisDirect Link to This Post
I just threw that in for a little more info, what concerns me the most is not being able to mount the bracket because of the interference

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Report this Post07-16-2009 03:40 PM Click Here to See the Profile for LAMBOSend a Private Message to LAMBODirect Link to This Post
I used a 2000 GTP oil filter adapter and it points the pressure sending unit (from an 88 Fiero) at the alt. But its not interfering with mounting the bracket. My bracket was on before I put the pressure sending unit on. In reverse order, there might have been a problem. I'm not sure though.
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Report this Post07-16-2009 05:05 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JamesCurtisSend a Private Message to JamesCurtisDirect Link to This Post
I'll try it out tonight, but I can't see it working in reverse order either
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Report this Post07-18-2009 12:55 AM Click Here to See the Profile for JamesCurtisSend a Private Message to JamesCurtisDirect Link to This Post
I tried doing it the other way around and had just as many problems. Not only does the sender conflict with the aluminum bracket, it also conflicts with the lateral bar PR supplies.

Comparison shot - 88's left, original 2000 gtp right


Attempting to make the comparitively puny gtp oil pressure sender fit


Attempting to make the large 88 sender fit


Passenger side shot of the adapter for better identification


Should I be looking for an adapter more similar to this?

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Report this Post07-18-2009 10:35 AM Click Here to See the Profile for darkhorizonSend a Private Message to darkhorizonDirect Link to This Post
Put a 90 degree NPT fitting on it and slide it sideways... I didnt need to on mine but I thought it looked better.
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Report this Post07-18-2009 12:03 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Dennis LaGruaSend a Private Message to Dennis LaGruaDirect Link to This Post
I tried doing it the other way around and had just as many problems. Not only does the sender conflict with the aluminum bracket, it also conflicts with the lateral bar PR supplies.


[quoteAttempting to make the comparitively puny gtp oil pressure sender fit
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The Grand Prix sender is for an "idiot light". It will pin the oil pressure gauge as its an on/off switch. You need the 88 Fiero sensor to drive the gauge
Should I be looking for an adapter more similar to this?

It will probably work but why drive up the cost? I don't know what kind of alternator mount design does not allow enough room for the 88 OP gauge sensor to mount but as the Darkman said a 90* wide angle brass elbow ( i believe 1/4" NPT) might work.

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Report this Post07-18-2009 01:34 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JamesCurtisSend a Private Message to JamesCurtisDirect Link to This Post
I'll head to the hardware store later today, 90* elbow it is

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Report this Post07-18-2009 01:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FastFierosClick Here to visit FastFieros's HomePageSend a Private Message to FastFierosDirect Link to This Post
Low mount alt assemblies from FastFieros do not have this problem. I also use the 3800 alt that is from 99-07.



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Report this Post07-18-2009 08:00 PM Click Here to See the Profile for darkhorizonSend a Private Message to darkhorizonDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by FastFieros:

Low mount alt assemblies from FastFieros do not have this problem. I also use the 3800 alt that is from 99-07.



But they do interface the trunk in some situations... At least when I made low mounts that cleared the oil filter they got in the way with the trunk when used in manual setups with modified engine location.
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Originally posted by darkhorizon:


But they do interface the trunk in some situations... At least when I made low mounts that cleared the oil filter they got in the way with the trunk when used in manual setups with modified engine location.


If it hit the trunk then you did something wrong. I have built about 4-5 of the low mounts mentioned by FF and none of then have come close to hitting the trunk area. There is enough room where you can swing the Alt in where it will be no where near the trunk.
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Report this Post07-18-2009 09:01 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JamesCurtisSend a Private Message to JamesCurtisDirect Link to This Post
It's in! The 90* 1/4" "street" elbow fixed the problem. Thank you for all of your help!

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Hey James. The alt bracket is not designed for that oil filter adapter. The ones i have been using is from a 3800 NA with the filter adapter's oil sender hole is vertical. Or u could notch the lower brace. Or install the 90* fitting like u did. Or use Loyde's set-up. lots of options.

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Report this Post07-21-2009 10:55 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fie RoSend a Private Message to Fie RoDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:

The Grand Prix sender is for an "idiot light". It will pin the oil pressure gauge as its an on/off switch. You need the 88 Fiero sensor to drive the gauge



This I didnt knew..I want more then an on/off reading...maybe I can use the supplied sender of the (aftermarket) gauge.. So is the stock gtp sender not used by the ecm or fuelpump, but only for an "idiot light" ?
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