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Saab '03-'04 6 speed ratios & RPO by Will
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Report this Post10-08-2008 09:06 PM Click Here to See the Profile for WillSend a Private Message to WillDirect Link to This Post
Searched, couldn't find.

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Report this Post10-11-2008 08:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for WillSend a Private Message to WillDirect Link to This Post
Bump. Anybody have info on this? I found it with much difficulty WAY back in the day, but couldn't find it recently.
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Report this Post10-11-2008 10:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Steven SnyderClick Here to visit Steven Snyder's HomePageSend a Private Message to Steven SnyderDirect Link to This Post
The 6-speed wasn't available in '04, just '03 according to GM Powertrain.
I did find that they used a 6-speed on a 4-cyl Saab in 2005 though. The ratios are the F40 ratios, so I guess its the F40 with an ecotec pattern?
http://media.gm.com/divisio...o/saab/9-3/index.htm
I found a reference here that also indicates the '03 6-speed was the F40, and may have had synchro problems that year:
http://www.saablink.net/for...d.php?t=11493&page=3

I don't know why its not listed here at all:
http://media.gm.com/divisio...ual_trans/index.html
They do list a 6-speed manual as being available for the Saab 9-3 in the 2003 product information. They do not for '04.

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Report this Post10-12-2008 06:44 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Joseph UpsonSend a Private Message to Joseph UpsonDirect Link to This Post
It was offered every year since 2003 for the Saab, you have to search in one of the following sections to find confirmation and ratios where offered: powertrain, vehicle specifications, manual transmissions. Some of the links will show up on the left side of the page after the initial selection.

Choose a year:

http://media.gm.com/us/gm/e...vents/pig_index.html

Fast Fieros has some info also;

http://www.fastfieros.com/N...nsmission_ratios.htm

The strongest F40 is linked to the AWD Saab and has a very tall first gear with a 3.76 final drive behind the 2.8L, same rating but a 5423 lb max vehicle weight vs. the first design 3527 lb. Not sure if they'll work this way since they are nested but here are a few GM links;

2009 ratios; http://media.gm.com/us/powe...09_GME_F40_MK6_n.xls

2007 ratios; http://media.gm.com/us/powe...s/07_GME_F40_MU9.xls

2006 ratios; http://media.gm.com/us/powe...06%20F40%20(MT2).pdf

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Report this Post10-14-2008 03:23 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Steven SnyderClick Here to visit Steven Snyder's HomePageSend a Private Message to Steven SnyderDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Joseph Upson:

It was offered every year since 2003 for the Saab, you have to search in one of the following sections to find confirmation and ratios where offered: powertrain, vehicle specifications, manual transmissions. Some of the links will show up on the left side of the page after the initial selection.

Choose a year:

http://media.gm.com/us/gm/e...vents/pig_index.html


Look again. That's the site I linked to in my post above. The ratios not listed for 2003, and no 6-speed transaxle transmission is even listed under manual transmissions for either '03 or '04. For '03 it is only mentioned as an option for the 4-cyl Saab 9-3 but there are no other details. This 6-speed may be a different transmission altogether from the F40, but more likely it's the first application of the F40. it may have different ratios. Remember, the F40 is normally used on the HF V6 and in the G6 GTP.. but these Saabs in '03 had Ecotec 4-cyls. The High Feature V6 was not available until 2004.


Manual transmissions for '04: http://media.gm.com/divisio...in/manual/index.html (no 6-speed listed)
Manual transmissions for '03: http://media.gm.com/divisio...ual_trans/index.html (no 6-speed listed)
2003 Saab 9-3: http://media.gm.com/divisio...aab/03_93/index.html - 6 speed listed as an option but no further details

A friend of mine back in college had a turbo Ecotec Saab with a 6-speed.. unfortunately he doesn't have the car any more, so I can't get any details on it.

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Report this Post10-14-2008 04:54 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Joseph UpsonSend a Private Message to Joseph UpsonDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Steven Snyder:


Look again. That's the site I linked to in my post above. The ratios not listed for 2003, and no 6-speed transaxle transmission is even listed under manual transmissions for either '03 or '04. For '03 it is only mentioned as an option for the 4-cyl Saab 9-3 but there are no other details. This 6-speed may be a different transmission altogether from the F40, but more likely it's the first application of the F40. it may have different ratios. Remember, the F40 is normally used on the HF V6 and in the G6 GTP.. but these Saabs in '03 had Ecotec 4-cyls. The High Feature V6 was not available until 2004.


Manual transmissions for '04: http://media.gm.com/divisio...in/manual/index.html (no 6-speed listed)
Manual transmissions for '03: http://media.gm.com/divisio...ual_trans/index.html (no 6-speed listed)
2003 Saab 9-3: http://media.gm.com/divisio...aab/03_93/index.html - 6 speed listed as an option but no further details

A friend of mine back in college had a turbo Ecotec Saab with a 6-speed.. unfortunately he doesn't have the car any more, so I can't get any details on it.




Read the transmission options for the 03 9-3 under specifications;

http://media.gm.com/divisio...aab/03_93/index.html

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Originally posted by Joseph Upson:
Read the transmission options for the 03 9-3 under specifications;

http://media.gm.com/divisio...aab/03_93/index.html



Did you? No ratios or RPO.

For all the attention GM's marketing idiots paid to it, it's like the transmission didn't exist...

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Originally posted by Will:


Did you? No ratios or RPO.

For all the attention GM's marketing idiots paid to it, it's like the transmission didn't exist...



These guys might be able to help as I believe a lot of that info was either proprietary or Saab PR focused since that was at such an early time in the GM Saab team up.
The Saab forum may have more specifics also.

http://www.thesaabsite.com/93/93cvs03on.htm
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Originally posted by Joseph Upson:
Read the transmission options for the 03 9-3 under specifications;

http://media.gm.com/divisio...aab/03_93/index.html



Hello? Is anybody there? You don't seem to be reading my posts at all.

 
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2003 Saab 9-3: http://media.gm.com/divisio...aab/03_93/index.html - 6 speed listed as an option but no further details
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Originally posted by Steven Snyder:


Hello? Is anybody there? You don't seem to be reading my posts at all.

[QUOTE]Originally Posted by Steven Snyder:
2003 Saab 9-3: http://media.gm.com/divisio...aab/03_93/index.html - 6 speed listed as an option but no further details
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Relax it's not that much of an issue, option or not it was available in 03 and standard for the Aero in 04, so there are ratios and RPO numbers somewhere. The only thing we've proved here is that GM's website is not the best place for the information Will is trying to obtain.
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Finally found the ratios on an old press release from 2003 (so these would be for the 2004 model):
http://www.autoweb.com.au/c...ves/newsarticle.html
http://www.autoweb.com.au/c...ble/newsarticle.html

1st 3.7692
2nd 2.0400
3rd 1.3208
4th 0.9538
5th 0.7547
6th 0.6230
Reverse: 3.5385
Final: 3.9091

So it's just an F40 of some sort..
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Yep, thanks again. Now I need to get my ass over to a stealership and look up the part numbers & cost for that 3.91 final...
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Report this Post10-16-2008 11:04 AM Click Here to See the Profile for IsoldeSend a Private Message to IsoldeDirect Link to This Post
I thank you for getting those extra decimal places, and is there any chance of finding out for sure if the G6 GT's final was 3.55000000:1, with a 71:20, or 3.5454545:1, with a 78:22? PLEASE!!!!
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