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info on running a baretta trans? by $Rich$
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Report this Post04-27-2008 03:55 PM Click Here to See the Profile for $Rich$Click Here to Email $Rich$Send a Private Message to $Rich$Direct Link to This Post
my getreg decided it wanted to commit suicide, heres the pics

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still driveable but not for long

thinking it might be easier to find a reasonably priced baretta trans
what is the one to buy, or is there one not to buy?
any help is appreaciated,

if i decide to get a baretta one, then do i get a clutch and stuff for a baretta
what else is needed besides Rodneys brackets?
what are my options?

am i correct that a quad 4 baretta trans will not bolt up?

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Not only will the quad 4 transmissions not bolt up, I dare say that it would be exceedingly difficult to adapt one to small metric pattern. I have considered adapting the quad 4 bellhousings, but they are too dissimilar to be worth the effort.
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The getrag 5 spd from a Beretta will work . You'll need the shifter linkage rodney dickman sells on his site.
http://www.rodneydickman.com/retail_new.html
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Report this Post04-27-2008 06:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for $Rich$Click Here to Email $Rich$Send a Private Message to $Rich$Direct Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Dementia:

The getrag 5 spd from a Beretta will work . You'll need the shifter linkage rodney dickman sells on his site.
http://www.rodneydickman.com/retail_new.html


ive learned that they will work, but it must be a 2.8 or a 3.1 is this correct?
how are they better? stronger?
whats the advantage besides avalability?
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quote
Originally posted by $Rich$:


ive learned that they will work, but it must be a 2.8 or a 3.1 is this correct?
how are they better? stronger?
whats the advantage besides avalability?


Late Getrags use stronger differential gears and use more modern metallurgy. You will need Rodneys shift bracket conversion kit and a speedometer adpater module but its a bolt in..
Seems like every week we have one or two Getrags blowing apart. IMO, the Fiero Getrag is a very light duty transmisson. I can lift up one with ease so I'm guessing that the thing only weights about 60 -70 lbs . As time goes on I would say that most Fieros will be going over to the later Getrags or even to autos.

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Report this Post04-27-2008 09:36 PM Click Here to See the Profile for $Rich$Click Here to Email $Rich$Send a Private Message to $Rich$Direct Link to This Post
would a Z24 or V6 caviler trans be the same?


or what about a older grand am that had the V6, i think they had the 5 speed aswell

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quote
Originally posted by $Rich$:


ive learned that they will work, but it must be a 2.8 or a 3.1 is this correct?
how are they better? stronger?
whats the advantage besides avalability?


Yes it must if you dont want to have to swap the bellhousings ..they are no better at least the 88 are not ..the later yrs have a beefed up diff

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Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:


Late Getrags use stronger differential gears and use more modern metallurgy. You will need Rodneys shift bracket conversion kit and a speedometer adpater module but its a bolt in..
Seems like every week we have one or two Getrags blowing apart. IMO, the Fiero Getrag is a very light duty transmisson. I can lift up one with ease so I'm guessing that the thing only weights about 60 -70 lbs . As time goes on I would say that most Fieros will be going over to the later Getrags or even to autos.



they weigh about 95 lbs and they are not that light weight as you always seem to be implying..they are just old and worn out ...a rebuild and cryo can do wonders for strength just like it does for a 4t65 hd
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Originally posted by $Rich$:

would a Z24 or V6 caviler trans be the same?


or what about a older grand am that had the V6, i think they had the 5 speed aswell




all will work ..its the v6 bellhousing that you want ..then its just a matter of getting rodneys shift arm conversion
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if you do not want to get rodneys conversion ..you could take your blown trans apart and take the Fiero shift shaft and put it in a FWD v6 getrag and use all the same shift arms for the fiero you already have
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Here is a very good article written by Rodney on the Getrag's
http://www.rodneydickman.com/GetragArticle.htm

It has lots of info on them which should help you out.

The other options would be the F40 6-spd out of a G6 or the Muncie 4-spd from the 85/86 V-6 Fiero's for manuals or convert to an auto.

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Report this Post04-28-2008 07:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for $Rich$Click Here to Email $Rich$Send a Private Message to $Rich$Direct Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Oreif:

Here is a very good article written by Rodney on the Getrag's
http://www.rodneydickman.com/GetragArticle.htm

It has lots of info on them which should help you out.

The other options would be the F40 6-spd out of a G6 or the Muncie 4-spd from the 85/86 V-6 Fiero's for manuals or convert to an auto.


thanks, at this time in not intrested in running a G6 tranny, it would be sweet but i dont want to mess with axel issues

i would like to have an auto in the future but again im not ready to deal with rewireing for OBD2, ect....
and i feal that the 4speed wouldnt last

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Report this Post04-29-2008 09:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for $Rich$Click Here to Email $Rich$Send a Private Message to $Rich$Direct Link to This Post
would a newer one work from like a 91-94ish Z24?
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quote
Originally posted by $Rich$:

would a newer one work from like a 91-94ish Z24?


it should if its a v6 because thats the bellhousing you will need ..

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quote
Originally posted by $Rich$:

would a newer one work from like a 91-94ish Z24?


Absolutely. I have been running a 93 Cavalier Z24 3.1 V6 Getrag for 3 years. The 92-94 versions have an internal hydrailic throwout bearing and a reluctor VSS. A $75 dakota digital unit will make the VSS compatible to the fiero and cutting/reflaring the stock fiero clutch line will get the hydraulic throwout bearing to work as well. You will want to check the clearance between the throwout bearing the pressure plate fingers to ensure the bearing will not over-extend (it will come apart and new ones cost 100 to 150).
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Report this Post05-02-2008 07:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for $Rich$Click Here to Email $Rich$Send a Private Message to $Rich$Direct Link to This Post
i might have found a 92 baretta trans
what is needed to get it to work, can you tell me more about the hydraulic TO bearing?
do you use a fiero slave? -----can you?---- mine is new with under 40 miles on it

hod do i check about the distance from the To bearing to the pressure plate fingers?
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if your trans uses the hydraulic TOB, then you don't use any slave. The slave cyl is built into the TOB.

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I started a thread about the 92-94 getrags with info/pics on the hydraulic throwout bearings, VSS converter and shift brackets here:

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/091336.html
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