ok the starter is still getting heat soaked on my 4.9l starter. anyone ever relocate the solenoid connected to the starter? anyone have pics on how they did it? etc....
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The solenoid on the 4.9 starter is physically connected to the starter gear. When you engages the solenoid it pushes the gear out to engage the starter ring on the flywheel or flex plate which then turns the engine over to start it. The Ford system uses a bendix type starter which works by spinning the starter motor which uses centrifugal force to pull the starter gear into the starter ring. I can see no way to remote the solenoid on the GM style starters. You could Google starters which should give you a better explanation on how the 2 different types of starters work.
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wiccantoy Member
Posts: 3372 From: northwales , pa / Williamstown nj Registered: Mar 2002
Not sure what else to say, never had that problem...
Edit: just saw this near the bottom of the page, //www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../HTML/024804-35.html Archie installing a 6 speed on jscott1's car - he used a starter with the solenoid is on the side vs original - perhapes this starter setup could work for you - have no ideal of what he is using, just saw the picture.
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Posts: 4242 From: Gresham, Oregon USA Registered: Mar 2006
I was thinking along the same lines as Mickey. If the wrap wasn't enough I would think that building some heat shields would be the only option left. You could probably make something pretty easy that would bolt the the lower exhaust manifold bolts. Adding a additional cooling fan may be another option though space would be my concern there. Or if you haven't already you could wrap your exhuast manifold to lower the temp around the starter. There has got to be a way. If you come up with something keep us posted. Good luck.
EDIT: I was checking out the thread with the starter Mickey was talking about and noticed the stock caddy heat shield that goes near the starter. Do you have one of these? Might be a good start and I'm sure I have an extra if you need it.
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wiccantoy Member
Posts: 3372 From: northwales , pa / Williamstown nj Registered: Mar 2002
Are you sure it is a heat soak issue? Too much timing or poor battery cables can have the same symptoms... On my 4.5 I had the muffler where the stock cat converter was and never had any hot starting issues.
I used Deville manifolds with a y-pipe but if you are using the manifolds that dump down, you could easily make a heat shield (open up a piece of exhaust pipe and weld on a coupled of tabs) that bolts to the exhaust flange and wraps the back side of the exhaust (towards the starter).
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I just thought of one other option that may be the simplest one. Why not bolt a small metal plate to the cradle to direct some airflow up towards the starter. Just something to scoop up some air and cool the starter. This could easily take the place of a fan and would be much easier to do. Having the fan temps lowered would keep everything cooler also or a lower temp thermostat. Just tossing out ideas.
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The above reference link will work I have done this all the time to different vehicles , if you are not capable to do it get an auto electrician to wire it in for you
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The above reference link will work I have done this all the time to different vehicles , if you are not capable to do it get an auto electrician to wire it in for you
the reference offered can be seen. but to figure out which of the starters are used and the correct amount of shims and placement of the jig shall be the trick. it is a pain in the but to have to have another flywheel made due to being imaptient. looks like i have a bit more to look into now. lol , it never ands. i guess i shall start with a heat shield and a fan. and if nothing else works i will just have a bit more reading to do. now if i could only find those reading glass's i lost a few years back.
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Posts: 3372 From: northwales , pa / Williamstown nj Registered: Mar 2002
ok i have a email into bubbajoe. hopefully he is still on from time to time. thank you all so far. im itching to drive my car a little father than a few miles from home. its a pain in the but to have issues with the starter
The ford solenoid works well for heat soak issuses, no need for fancy or expensive changes. Just read the article entirely.
ok this DOES NOT work dont try it.
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no i did what it says to do and it starts like it should . but when i left it sit and get to warmer temps after like 5 minutes . i shut it down , and it wont start back up. no matter im out 40 bucks , no big deal. it sounded like a good idea, but oh well
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Posts: 3372 From: northwales , pa / Williamstown nj Registered: Mar 2002
ok update .......... ive added a heat shield from jegs.com and i added a fan under there. now im at a loss for words. not sure what else to try . still gettign heat soaked
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I bought a new starter, (you do need to buy a new starter) added a Cool-It Thermo Tech Starter Heat Shield Wrap THT 14150
and added a Moroso Standard GM Starter Heatshield MOR-74300
No problems now. ....
I attached the wrap and the shield using the wrap's straps
i did the wrap already but it just seemed to be like a blanket for the starter holding the heat in. i also got the same heat shield you showed. plus the fan ......................
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May 31st, 2008
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Posts: 3372 From: northwales , pa / Williamstown nj Registered: Mar 2002
1. heat wrap the starter (took of since that didnt help) 2. placed 10" fan infront of the starter 3. purchased a heat shield from jegs 4. purchased new starter 5. purchased a new battery 6. did the relocate that was posted up in a further reply on this page.
im ready to sell the damn car, ive got 20k invested in the damn thing and cant enjoy it . it was fine when the 4.9 engine was stock. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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