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93 Deville by KaijuSenso
Started on: 12-04-2007 01:20 PM
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Report this Post12-04-2007 01:20 PM Click Here to See the Profile for KaijuSensoSend a Private Message to KaijuSensoDirect Link to This Post
I found a 93 Caddy Deville for $600 on craigslist. it does have 191k miles though so it would probably need a rebuild. do you guys think it's worth it? I'd use the engine, wiring harness, computer, exhaust manifolds (and anything else i might have missed) and sell/part out the rest of the car. I still have to see how well the motor runs (the ad says "runs great")

How much would a rebuild (or at least a set of gaskets MINIMUM) cost me?
Basically, would this be a good option or should i look for a wrecked car with less miles on it?

I would put it in my 86 GT and bolt it to my 4spd. i'm also getting the "Koni Racing Suspension kit" from the Fiero store this christmas
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Report this Post12-04-2007 02:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Russ544Send a Private Message to Russ544Direct Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by KaijuSenso:


How much would a rebuild (or at least a set of gaskets MINIMUM) cost me?
Basically, would this be a good option or should i look for a wrecked car with less miles on it?

I would put it in my 86 GT and bolt it to my 4spd. i'm also getting the "Koni Racing Suspension kit" from the Fiero store this christmas


Northstar? if it needed rebuilding it wouldn't be worth it IMO. parts are extreamly expensive for thes things and you just can't do a ring and valve job on them like you could a sbc for example. the pair of hd gaskets will run you about 150.oo . the rod bolts and bearings MUST be changed if you pull the pistons for example. but if it "runs good" you may not have to open it up. if it had reasonable care 190K isn't as bad as it sounds. the N* has very hard cyl walls and wear very little. go listen to it before you make a decission.
what ECM were you planning on using? that may be a factor also as the early TB would need to be changed for some setups to work in the Fiero.
4 speed is not easy with the N* either. I did an Izusu with mine and although it can be done (I did) it ain't easy. lots of fabrication to move the throwout fork arm and relocation of the shift cables.

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Northstar? if it needed rebuilding it wouldn't be worth it IMO. parts are extreamly expensive for thes things and you just can't do a ring and valve job on them like you could a sbc for example. the pair of hd gaskets will run you about 150.oo . the rod bolts and bearings MUST be changed if you pull the pistons for example. but if it "runs good" you may not have to open it up. if it had reasonable care 190K isn't as bad as it sounds. the N* has very hard cyl walls and wear very little. go listen to it before you make a decission.
what ECM were you planning on using? that may be a factor also as the early TB would need to be changed for some setups to work in the Fiero.
4 speed is not easy with the N* either. I did an Izusu with mine and although it can be done (I did) it ain't easy. lots of fabrication to move the throwout fork arm and relocation of the shift cables.

YMMV


Its a 4.9. Devilles kept the 4.9 through 95. 191k is pretty normal to find on a used one. IMO just find the motor/trans, wiring and harness. You really don't need the whole car and could spend quite a bit less on just what you need unless you have the time to part it out and make your money back. I paid $203 for my 93 deville motor, harness, and ECM with 150k on the clock. All you need is the motor, ECM and connectors, and engine harness.

You wont get very good gas mileage with the 4 speed but it will hold the power and run like a champ. I was originally planing to use this tranny but the 88 cradle swap changed all of that for me.

I can't give you a very close estimate on the cost of a rebuild cause I got mine at cost from a friend in the business. I can give you all the part numbers if you are interested. For me, at cost, it came to $355 for gaskets, rings, and bearings for the good stuff (Victor reins, engine tech chrome molly, ect). And 180 for a new cam cause the stock one was no good. The sleeves need to be checked out very well if you are going rebuild. They are probably fine if its running and NOT smoking. If its running I would just put it in and worry about a rebuild later once its in the fiero and running.

Rebuild parts can be ordered online at rockauto.com. Be sure to use the discount code if going this route as it will save you a ton on money.

Head gasket kit (includes all gaskets needed to change everything from heads up) ~117
Re-ring kit (best rings, incl main and rod bearings, and gaskets) ~475
Master rebuild kit (includes all gaskets, seals, bearings, rings and pistons... probably way more then you'll need) ~12-1500

One word of advise... Use the best rings you can. They make a huge difference in the longevity of the rebuild. Good luck in what ever you decide to do.

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Report this Post12-04-2007 09:06 PM Click Here to See the Profile for KaijuSensoSend a Private Message to KaijuSensoDirect Link to This Post
yes it's the 4.9

gas mileage isn't a huge issue to me, i have a second car that can be my daily driver if i'm having problems with the fiero (mechanically or financially )

thanks for the info on the rebuild. i work at a shop so i won't be charged labor. what's the discount code you're talking about?

the plan is to look at the car on Saturday with my boss. hopefully it's running good enough that i can just worry about putting it in the car first, and then start collecting pieces for the rebuild.
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Report this Post12-04-2007 09:34 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FieroseverywhereClick Here to Email FieroseverywhereSend a Private Message to FieroseverywhereDirect Link to This Post
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They put out new codes all the time so if this one expires before you get to use it look around on the forum. Someone will have a new one. It maybe only 5% but that makes a big difference when spending hundreds with them. Once you buy something from them they will send you new codes all the time, or at least they do for me.

One other thing, if you plan on using the stock 4.9 chip you will need the pass key module also. You will then need to make or buy the bypass circuit listed on rockcrawls site.
http://www.fieroaddiction.com/

A better option IMO is to buy a chip that will eliminate the need for the passkey module and fix a few error codes you may end up getting.

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A better option IMO is to buy a chip that will eliminate the need for the passkey module and fix a few error codes you may end up getting.



I can provide you with a custom programmed chip for your 4.9L. email me directly at stickpony@gmail.com
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make sure you buy the delta "drop-in" camshaft at least if you do the rebuild, especially if you are using a manula tranny, it wakes up the top end of the motor a little bit and lets you rev a little higher
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