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Need Help. 3800SC II Build Questions by JimmyS
Started on: 11-14-2006 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by JimmyS:

Ok I scanned for codes and it showed 4 codes.
P0102 MAF not connected
P0506 Idle Control System RPM Lower Than Expected
P0650 Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) Control Circuit Malfunction
P0506 pd ????????????

It also said this...
Mil On
Monitrs
5 Inc
Catlyst
Evap
02 Snsr
02 Htr
EGR
3 ready
Misfire
Fuel
Comp


Disconect the battery for a while and restart to clear the codes

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Originally posted by 86fieroEarl:
More to come.

86fieroEarl , Great post on the wiring---are you going to post the engine bay wiring soon?
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86fieroEarl , Great post on the wiring---are you going to post the engine bay wiring soon?

Yeah I am, Im off to work right now, But when I get off I will start it.

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Originally posted by ohio86se:

There ya go Jim ....now will I see you in Ohio in December?



The plan is still to drive the car up there for the Christmas/New Years holidays. I still am waiting on the trans bracket, throttle bracket, speedo conversion thingy and the oil pressure sending unit to get here but it looks like it will all be done in plenty of time.
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About the oil pressure sensor. What are you using? I had used the Fiero one. The Fiero gauges dont care what engine you have, pressure is pressure.
 
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The plan is still to drive the car up there for the Christmas/New Years holidays. I still am waiting on the trans bracket, throttle bracket, speedo conversion thingy and the oil pressure sending unit to get here but it looks like it will all be done in plenty of time.

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Originally posted by 86fieroEarl:
Yeah I am, Im off to work right now, But when I get off I will start it.

Thank You Sir......It`s appreciated...........

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Jimmy, When you hit Ohio, do you run up 75 North or take I-71 ? I`m 10 minutes off either exit..
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OK the throttle bracket and the trans bracket came in today. Throttle bracket is installed with no problems but I have a question on the trans bracket.

Does this bracket need to be flattened out first then cut at a 45 degree angle?

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Originally posted by 3800superfast:

Jimmy, When you hit Ohio, do you run up 75 North or take I-71 ? I`m 10 minutes off either exit..


I run up 75. You want me to stop by?
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Originally posted by ohio86se:

About the oil pressure sensor. What are you using? I had used the Fiero one. The Fiero gauges dont care what engine you have, pressure is pressure.


I'm not sure what oil pressure sensor it is. JR ordered it and has sent it to me but it has not arrived here yet.

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C500
A1 - No wire.
A2 - Light green wire. NOT CONNECTED. This should be black and it's a ground
A3 - No wire.
A4 - Thick yellow wire connected to starter.
A5 - No wire.

B1 - No wire.
B2 - No wire.
B3 - Brown wire. NOT CONNECTED. alt charge indicator, Plugs into the alt, Splices into a pinout on grandprix PCM

C1 - Dark blue wire. NOT CONNECTED. I forgot what pinout I connected this to, But It was a pinout on the gear selector switch on the transmission, I also had this as a 12v reference for the 02 sensor heater
C2 - Dark green wire w/ light green stripe. NOT CONNECTEDConnects to the green pinout on your temp sendor(located on the intake manifold) .
C3 - White wire. NOT CONNECTED.hooks to your ignition modual, On the IMC harness this pinout will be blanked out, Splice this white wire into the white c500 connector, Basically it connects to the white pinout on the ignition modual, If your tach is a 4cyl tach, IT WILL NOT WORK.

D1 - Dark green wire w/ white stripe. NOT CONNECTED. For the highspeed fan switch, This connects to your PCM
D2 - No wire. Low speed fan switch, Some fieros don't have this pinout
D3 - Dark green wire. NOT CONNECTED. connects to PCM pinout, PCM grounds this wire if you overheat

E1 - Light green wire. NOT CONNECTED. connects to gear selector switch
E2 - No wire.
E3 - Orange wire fusable link. NOT CONNECTED. powerfeed for igntion
E4 - No wire.

Cars equipped with four speed manual transaxle use a shifter mounted reverse switch. Cars with five speed use a transaxle mounted switch. '85 and newer cars are wired for both switches.

There is a stud terminal directly under the C500 for making all +12 volt constant connections.

The Fiero uses a separate module for cruise control. It is located behind the carpet on the drivers side inner kick panel. If you wish to use the new donor ECM to control the cruise control (recommended), you will need to extend the wires from the original module to the new ECM.
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Originally posted by JimmyS:

OK the throttle bracket and the trans bracket came in today. Throttle bracket is installed with no problems but I have a question on the trans bracket.

Does this bracket need to be flattened out first then cut at a 45 degree angle?





thats basicly what I did, refer to my picture.
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YAYYYYY!!!! The car is operational again! Throttle/Cruise bracket installed and functioning properly. Shifter cable bracket modified, installed and functionaly properly. Talked to JR tonight and he said that if the 2 parts from him (speedo conversion thingy and oil pressure sending unit) did not arrive today then they will probably be here tomorrow. JR says the car is tuned enough to drive and it only needs some minor tweaking just to my preferences. The plan is to drive the car around town the rest of this week and next week then next Saturday he will finish the tuning. I took the car for a couple short spins tonight and it is great.

I still need a couple of parts if anyone has them lying around. I need the retaining clip that holds the shifter cable to the bracket (I am using a zip tie for temporary measures) and I need a temp./fuel gauge cluster. My temp gauge is messed up. It was messed up before I even took the car to JR. The needle does not come down into the number range. It hangs up on the far left side and sometimes sticks almost straight up. I am assuming that the gauge itself is bad? Other than those 2 parts I have everything.

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Glad to hear you got it running again--now go have some fun in it... Not sure but I think most any Gm clip will fit, check the help sections at auto stores for a universal one, maybe the old Fiero one may work? Jr should have some laying around his place....
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Originally posted by JimmyS:
I run up 75. You want me to stop by?

When you coming threw ?

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Originally posted by 86fieroEarl:

C500
A1 - No wire.
A2 - Light green wire. NOT CONNECTED. This should be black and it's a ground
A3 - No wire.
A4 - Thick yellow wire connected to starter.
A5 - No wire.

B1 - No wire.
B2 - No wire.
B3 - Brown wire. NOT CONNECTED. alt charge indicator, Plugs into the alt, Splices into a pinout on grandprix PCM

C1 - Dark blue wire. NOT CONNECTED. I forgot what pinout I connected this to, But It was a pinout on the gear selector switch on the transmission, I also had this as a 12v reference for the 02 sensor heater
C2 - Dark green wire w/ light green stripe. NOT CONNECTEDConnects to the green pinout on your temp sendor(located on the intake manifold) .
C3 - White wire. NOT CONNECTED.hooks to your ignition modual, On the IMC harness this pinout will be blanked out, Splice this white wire into the white c500 connector, Basically it connects to the white pinout on the ignition modual, If your tach is a 4cyl tach, IT WILL NOT WORK.

D1 - Dark green wire w/ white stripe. NOT CONNECTED. For the highspeed fan switch, This connects to your PCM
D2 - No wire. Low speed fan switch, Some fieros don't have this pinout
D3 - Dark green wire. NOT CONNECTED. connects to PCM pinout, PCM grounds this wire if you overheat

E1 - Light green wire. NOT CONNECTED. connects to gear selector switch
E2 - No wire.
E3 - Orange wire fusable link. NOT CONNECTED. powerfeed for igntion
E4 - No wire.

Cars equipped with four speed manual transaxle use a shifter mounted reverse switch. Cars with five speed use a transaxle mounted switch. '85 and newer cars are wired for both switches.

There is a stud terminal directly under the C500 for making all +12 volt constant connections.

The Fiero uses a separate module for cruise control. It is located behind the carpet on the drivers side inner kick panel. If you wish to use the new donor ECM to control the cruise control (recommended), you will need to extend the wires from the original module to the new ECM.


Thanks again for the time/info/post ..It`s greatly appreciated . They won`t let me give you anymore A plus+`s. Wish they would....
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Hey jim are you coming up to ohio and my part of town? The weather has been holding up. I can take you for a spin.


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