stupid question but do you need to bake it after painting ?
can it be done in regular garage with out baking and still have it look good?
assuming i have all the tools needed how much would it cost to paint my car
dark dark cherry red ( almost black )?
I'm getting a garage in about a week or so wont have any of the tools but
just trying to an idea of what I'm getting into

Any past experience from anybody?

The pros use an oven to help the paint cure faster. You can paint in your garage but you will have to wait for the paint to dry longer. The pros need to get cars done quick so they use their car ovens to help speed things up. Roger Garrison is the resident paint expert here. You could PM him with any questions you have or do a search using his name.

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cool thanks man

quote Originally posted by avengador1: Roger Garrison is the resident paint expert here. You could PM him with any questions you have or do a search using his name.

Firefox (Mark) too!

quote Originally posted by Michaell Knight: stupid question but do you need to bake it after painting ?

No. Shops use the ovens to dry the paint faster for production time reasons. It doesn't make the paint any more durable.

quote Originally posted by Michaell Knight: can it be done in regular garage with out baking and still have it look good?

Absolutely. I worked in a body shop and now I spray as a hobby. I have my 2 car garage set up for painting and I'm painting show cars.

quote Originally posted by Michaell Knight: assuming i have all the tools needed how much would it cost to paint my car dark dark cherry red ( almost black )?

The cost for paint varys greatly depending on quality of materials, cost of color ( some colors are much more expensive than others ), and what kind of repairs you need to make. If you have a local paint supplier, it's best to talk to them about cost of paint, primer, reducers/thinners....etc.

quote Originally posted by Michaell Knight: I'm getting a garage in about a week or so wont have any of the tools but just trying to an idea of what I'm getting into

You'll need a nice sized compressor ( I use a 6.5 hp/ 60 gallon tank ), spray gun ( there are a lot of choices ), plastic for covering anything in the garage to keep dust down, a dual action orbital sander ( D/A ), a good blow gun, a ventilation fan, lots of lighting, charcoal-activated resperator, a good block sander, a variable-speed buffer/polisher, plus whatever tools you need to pull apart your car.

quote Originally posted by Michaell Knight: Any past experience from anybody?

Lots of guys on here have painted their own cars. Roger is in the painting business and I used to be ( as I said, it's now more of a hobby for me ).

Mark

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thanks firefox to bad you live so far away
i would offer you some money to paint mine lol

quote Originally posted by Michaell Knight: oh one more thing how the hell do i pm people???? thanks

See that little box at the top of the text box your typing in ? You can hit that if Roger is on a thread and it will set you up to send a private message to him (email) or you can use the search box at the top of the page and type in his username rogergarrison which will take you to him or you can use the members list page and find him there in aph order.

LOL Mark, you dont know what your talking about.

As usual, same as what Mark (Firefox) said. I only had a booth in one shop I ever worked at. Jobs I shot in there were always dirtier than ones done in the open. Seemed like there was so much suction, all the dirt in the place got sucked thru the cracks. Ive done MANY MANY show cars and vans in an open garage. One van customizer I did muraled vans for started out having me paint them in a working dirt floor cow barn with 4 portable flood lites. Any dust that you do get can be buffed out later.

And again, yes, the only reason they bake them is to get them out of the way quick to do the next one. Has nothing to do with the paints durability or looks. Maaco shoots some of the used cars I do and brings them back done in a couple of hours after Ive done all the masking and prep.

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now about these 60 gal compressors , is there a good source to find one for a good price?
Everything else i think i can get easy , thats the only thing that makes me look at my bank
account and well................wish upon a star , lol

60 gal, 6 hp, at least 12-15 cfm. I have a 80 gal, 6 1/2hp, 18 cfm for my shop. Its a Coleman...paid $695 at Home Depot. You can find cheaper at places like Harbor Freight. I dont like Campbell-Hausfield, one I had always was breaking down. Make sure you get a 220 volt one. THe big one may cost more, but one will outlast 10 small ones.

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Along with those options, I'll suggest looking at Sears. I have a 6.5/60 gallon 220 volt unit that I've had for 6 years now and still runs as strong as the day I bought it, and it keeps up nicely, even with my sandblasting cabinet.

Mark

hey roger....do you take on side jobs? im needing a full paint job, maybe a color change. would rather it be done by a fellow Fiero enthusiast for obvious reasons.

im originally from Gahanna/Reynoldsburg area. up in Toledo now for college.

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87 GT Factory Wingless

GT Wheel Refinishing Service comming soon.

At this point (nearly retiring for good) Im not doing any all over jobs as a general rule. Im doing more just repairs for more money and less work. Ill prep one as far as sanding and masking and letting Maaco next door shoot it. Ill shoot one if its pretty much ready, but no color sanding and buffing. All takes up too much time. I do it to my own cars because I can do a little at a time when I feel like it. Dont like to leave others cars around out in the open like that. Mine come in at nite. I can and do offer any free help when I can though.

will these compressors that you guys have hold up well to air tools?
I figure i would ask if i can kill to birds with one stone since i will also
be looking into a 4.9 or a 3.4 swap to do in this same garage I'm speaking of.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: At this point (nearly retiring for good) Im not doing any all over jobs as a general rule. Im doing more just repairs for more money and less work. Ill prep one as far as sanding and masking and letting Maaco next door shoot it. Ill shoot one if its pretty much ready, but no color sanding and buffing. All takes up too much time. I do it to my own cars because I can do a little at a time when I feel like it. Dont like to leave others cars around out in the open like that. Mine come in at nite. I can and do offer any free help when I can though.

I think he's fibbin'. He's too busy watching the lesbians outside his shop.

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'87 GT Auto
'88 Ferrario

I use air tools all the time with no problems. I also have the nice sandblasting cabinet.

quote Originally posted by Michaell Knight: stupid question but do you need to bake it after painting ? can it be done in regular garage with out baking and still have it look good? assuming i have all the tools needed how much would it cost to paint my car dark dark cherry red ( almost black )? I'm getting a garage in about a week or so wont have any of the tools but just trying to an idea of what I'm getting into Any past experience from anybody?

i'm kinda talking out my butt here because i have yet to paint my car but this is my advice. go buy a "paint and bodywork" manual from your local auto parts store. i can't remember the name of the one i have but there is lots of good info in these books. well worth the $15. it will give you an idea of what you are getting into.

most of the "hard" work is in the prep. sanding, sand paper, prep-sol, clean rags, primer, sanding, good fresh masking tape, paper, did i mention sanding? not trying to discourage you but there is a reason body shops charge so much to "just paint a car". a little bit of dust or old wax can ruin any kind of paint no matter how its applied.

i just want you to know the kind of job you're getting into. even doing it yourself it will probably cost you several hundred dollars. good luck to you.

You cant learn too much. Im sure even I could pick up tips from another painter. Some from me thats usually not mentioned is to lay a chain over the frame and the floor to ground the car to help stop static electricity attracting dust to the surface, and I prefer paper/ disposable rags/ towells. Even clean rags can easily have residue in them to mess up a job...like silicone, grease, unrinsed soap. NEVER use those red shop towells in paint work.

silicone, grease, ect == equals fish-eye in a hurry

thats a good idea , do you think you can buy those at advance?
Never heard the whole " chain to keep the static down " trick
but it sounds ingenious !
what i might do is keep this thread up up n running and do kind of
a build- up thread with pics and have you guys school this new guy
as i go......................now gotta get going with getting the equipment
so i can get thing rollin'. I'll keep you guys posted and thanks for all the
advice you guys are great!

For my shop, I just go to KMart once a week and buy a box of 12 Bounty rolls. Costs about $10 or less on sale.

This thread is informative as it gets.
I also hope to one-day paint my fiero.
The whole idea is cool. ... I've been around some pro's and the work that you guys do is really impressive and to be respected.
The guy that painted my last fiero (he's painting NYFastback's v8 right now) works at a GM garage and does tons of side jobs... he let's nothing buy good quality work flow out of his home and work-place.
Painters can make a nice car into ARTWORK.

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