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I am going to get my fiero painted 04 millenuim corvette yellow and i need some help. The silver on the decklid and roof is really badly oxidized. On the roof, along the top of the winsheild the paint is gone and its show black specks throught the silver base coat. What should i do to prep this car for a repaint of a diffrent color. I am going to be removing both door skins, front fenders, front facia, rear facia, rear quarter panels, front hood, and the decklid. I will be leaving the GT clip and the roof panel on to paint. I understand that removing these panels increases my chance of scratching the newly repainted panels but since its a color change i wanted to get everything. I will just have to be extra careful putting them back on. Should i sand all the way down to the plastic panel or just go down to the factory primer? What grit should i use, and how much paint should i use. What kind of other paint stuff do i have to buy along with the clear and the base. (Like hardener, activator etc.) After i spray the base coat, how long should i wait to apply the clear? After the clear is done then how long do i have to wait to wetsand the clear and then buff the clear for a super shiny finish? What grit do i use on the clear and what rubbing compounds and polishes? Sorry for so many questions and i have also read alot of stuff in the archives, so yes i have already searched . Any help will be really appreciated and +'s to anyone who helps me out.
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Report this Post09-22-2004 09:46 PM Click Here to See the Profile for daniel87fierogtSend a Private Message to daniel87fierogtDirect Link to This Post
OH crap i just rewrote the same topic in another thread cause i thought deleted the last topic. Oh well just lettin you all know how dumb i am
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Hmmmmmmmm..............where to start.

Ok.

First, wash the car. Use Dawn dish soap ( I like the lemon ) and clean it up good, inside and out. Rinse out under the panels and make sure the edges are clean.

Prep? Well, it depends on how bad your existing paint is. Your goal is to make your old paint surface solid enough fo rthe new primer and paint. So, if you have bad paint, you remove as much as you need to until you get a solid surface. You might be able to just sand off the old clear until you find a good solid base color, or you mentioned the black specks, where it sounds like you need to sand down to the original primer. As you are sanding, you'll be able to tell if the paint/primer you are sanding is adhering to the old surfaces. If the paint/primer is coming off in 'chunks', keep going. When you are sanding off dust, you should be ready. Use 180/220 grit when you are sanding off a bad surface.......use 320/400 if sanding a good paint surface. A red Scotchbrite helps in areas where sandpaper is difficult to use. Once you have a solid old paint surface, then you can prime. where you sanded off old paint, use a primer surfacer that'll fill sanding scratches. Sand that down with 320/400 until smooth. When the entire car is sanded 320/400 grit smooth, you're ready for a primer sealer. That sealer will protect your new paint from the old paint.

Primer sealer doesn't need to be sanded, but should probably be scuffed to make sure it's smooth. Use the Scotchbrite.

Mask off whatever you need to and protect everything you can.

When it comes to paint, I can't go into what you need because each paint company uses it's own formulas. I spray PPG, Rogergarrison sprays R&M, and others spray DuPont or Sikkens or Testors. What you need depends on what kind of paint you are using, and that information will have to come from your paint supplier. They will give you all the information that you need about reducers/thinners, mixing, flash times, dry times, spray thicknesses, spray pressures......etc....etc....

If you need help with any of that, we'll be happy to help as much as we can.

After painting, and I'll use PPG for my example since that's what I spray, I wait 20-24 hours before wetsanding with 1500-2000 grit paper. I use 3M Perfect-it III Extra-cut rubbing compound, then Machine Glaze, then Microfinishing compound, then Foam pad polish, them Imperial hand glaze. Lots of work, but you get a glass finish when you are done. It just takes a lot of patience and time to do it right. That's why shops charge so much.......

When you are preping a place to spray, make sure that you have a clean area, including a sheet of plastic over the top of the car. Make yourself a nice spraybooth so you have a clean environment.

Don't spray under a canopy in the backyard.........

Good luck! and drop us some pictures.

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If you listen to anyone on here listen to Mark "firefox"!

Mark if I were to send you that posting on how to paint would you please remove what is needed from it and add what is needed and send it back? Or is the only thing wrong with it the "newspaper", also I forgot what primer you said.

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This is the paint system that I used. You will need to pick a color. I
used a pearl metallic versus a flat color or a metal flake. Here is a list
of the Dupont Chroma Series part numbers:

(1 gal) 3919S Prep-Sol solvent for de-waxing and cleaning /
preparing the car
(1 gal) 7175S ChromaBase Base maker This turns the 1KM into
base paint
(1 qt) V7585S Activator for the clear coat only
(1 gal) V7500S Clear coat
(1 gal) 1KM Base you pick the color (reds and blues are
expensive) But they look great.
(1 gal) Virgin lacquer thinner for clean up of gun only

I also purchased:

(1) 32038 3M 400 grit wet or dry Imperial sand paper
(2) 32023 3M 1500 grit wet or dry Imperial sand paper
(2) 32044 3M 2000 grit wet or dry Imperial sand paper
(1) 3M series 5000 respirator disposable Please use this. Isocyanates
are a nasty thing.
(2) Generic air line dryers and oil filters
(3) 3M Scotch masking tape rolls of 3/4"
(1) Roll of 1" masking tape 3M
(1) Roll of fine line tape 1/4" vinyl very thin 3M
(6) 10' x 20' 2 mil plastic tarps
(1) Rubber sanding block
(2) 39004 3M Super duty heavy cut rubbing compound
(1) 05993 3M Liquid polish

I did not purchase:
1. Adhesion promoter 2322S for plastics because the car was already painted.
The rep said that I did not need it for this reason. Just prepare the
surface as normal.

2. Flex additive for ABS / SMC plastic bumper covers because mine did not have
any cracking and they were already painted and the stuff would evaporate /
harden after about 4 months anyway. (Actual quote from the Dupont
representative). Not a bad idea to do though.

3. Urethane filling primer Rep said he recommended it only for warranty and
my old paint if prepared properly would serve as a fine primer. I had no
peeling issues and needed no body fillers.

Maker sure to get plastic stir sticks, filters / screens, a measuring stick
that gives mix ratios. These items are usually free from the supplier. You
will have to purchase disposable coveralls, safety goggles (use anti-fog on
the inside) and plenty of lint free cloths. Wrap your coveralls with bands
of tape to keep them close to you so they don't brush against painted
surfaces. Make sure you have plenty of light. I used (2) 4' dual
fluorescent shop lights per side of the car. Use caution if using a halogen
because of heat and flammability reasons.

How to paint your Fiero.
The first thing is to wash the car.
I used a lot of soap and a good sponge. Use Dawn dish soap and clean it up good
As I washed it, I scrubbed every square inch very well. I then rinsed and dried the car.

I was also told after washing the car to finish washing it with a scotch brite pad, it would scuff "sand" down the car just right for prep work.

The second step was to remove all of the tar and bugs. This was not too
difficult.

De-wax and degrease using Prep-sol. You may want to do this step two -
three times depending on how often you waxed your car. Reason being is that
the build up can be pretty thick. I used the Prep-Sol by wetting a clean
cloth and wiping over the entire car, bumpers and all rough and smooth
paint. This was to remove all waxes and residues. I did this twice. It
actually makes the car look great, until it evaporates. On the last
application of Prep-Sol wipe on and wipe dry at the same time.

Wash the car thoroughly.
After you are happy with the sanding it is time to wash the car. Use a good
sponge and a little soap. Wash with the sponge in one hand and follow by
wiping with your other hand to loosen any residue that may be clinging to the
surface. Dry the car with a towel. Don't let it air dry by itself. This will further
remove any residue.

Prep-Sol the surface again.
Use the same procedure as before. Wipe on and leave it to air dry and then
wipe on and immediately wipe off.

Inspection and preparation of your "garage". At this point you should see
the entire car look very hazy. Inspect that the car has been sanded
completely over every square inch. If you need to do some touch up sanding
now is the time. The car will have basically the same color as before but
there will be no shine. (Mine was black and after I sanded it was gray).
This tells you that the entire surface is roughed up. I hung tarps all
around the garage, on the ceiling and floor. Believe it or not the fumes
from the paint kill bugs and they love to fall on the hood of the car you
are trying to paint.

Body work / repairs.
If needed (mine did not) all repairs should now be performed. Instructions
are on the container of what ever you use. Talk with your paint dealer on
application techniques and working times and tools. Sand to smooth once
completed and remove all dust and residue using Prep-sol.

Pre-masking.
Disconnect the battery! When you spray paint / primer goes everywhere,
even into tiny openings. I don't recommend removing the plastic
trim around the windshield but if that is your preference then go ahead.
Prior to masking you can remove all the trim, door handles, ornaments and
mirrors. I did not remove any of these items. I used a product from 3M
called fine line tape. This is a thin vinyl tape that stretches and curves
to form to the contour of any surface. It is thinner than conventional
masking tapes so it will leave less of a witness line (raised area where the
paint stops). I used 1/4" to cover all the windshield seal, around the
mirror bases, around the antenna base, sunroof gasket that meets the roof,
metal trim over the top of the windows. The purpose of this tape is to give
you a place to stick the regular masking tape. You do not have to cover a
whole item with this. I used one piece to run along the windshield seal
just where it meets with the roof. It will take you some time to mask this
off the way you want it.

Masking.
After masking with the fine line tape you can mask with the
regular masking tape. You can purchase masking paper for large areas like
the windshield. I was told by a very smart guy that I should not use newspaper, "newspaper" will put small little fibers out in the air when air pressure hits it and
those fibers will settle on your paint.

With whatever you use, you will invariably run into a spot that curves.
Simply fold the paper to follow the contour and stretch the masking tape to
cover the rest. Yes, masking tape will bend a little. Just pull and press
into place, it will stick. I recommend removing the tail light assemblies.
Roll the wire harnesses up, twist tie and remove the bulbs. You may want to
mask the sockets to keep them clean. Mask off and cover the engine. You
can remove the trunk gasket but mine was brittle so I did not. But you will get
over spray on it, so its up to you what you do. You will be painting the under-
side of the hood and deck lid (if you are changing the color) so cover the labels,
etc. with masking tape or fine line tape. If your labels are loose or peeling off
you can use a heavy layer of Petroleum Jelly to cover it and then wipe it off
after the car has dried. Be extremely careful if you use this because wherever
the Vaseline goes the paint will not adhere. Mask off under the hood as well.
Cover all with sheets of paper. Cover everything. Make sure the overlaps of
paper are taped off so no overspray can get in there. If you are going to paint
the door jambs as well, you will need to leave the doors opened so that they
don't get painted shut. (Disconnect that battery or it will be dead!) To do
this you will need to mask off the entire door opening to the inside of the
car. Hang paper over the entire opening and make sure it is tightly closed.
Paint on an interior will not come out.

Prep-sol again.
Doing this will remove any oils left behind from your hands and lint / dust
during the masking portion. Use one wipe on and wipe off immediately
application. Leave the hood and deck lid propped open with something.
I used a pop can under the hood spring and left the deck lid down but still
open. If your car has the spoiler remove it. It uses 10mm nuts in (4) locations
to secure it. Hang it for painting. Note: the studs and nuts will probably be
rusted. Use WD-40 if you need to but Prep-Sol after to remove any oils.
Paint does not like oil. I also propped the headlight covers up about 1
inch to paint around the sides. I used a spark plug socket on each side to
keep them propped up. (Don't use the headlights to do this, you do not want
them up that high) only enough to paint the sides of the headlight doors.
Spray equipment. At this point you are ready to spray. I used a Binks
Model 62 spray gun with a 66SD tip and a 1 quart cup. I rebuilt the gun
prior to painting to make sure it would work properly. This is a
conventional siphon spray gun. HVLP (High Volume Low Pressure) guns are
expensive but you get less overspray. I used a 3/8" diameter 25' air hose.
Set air at 40 psi for base coat application and 32-35 psi for clear (less
overspray). These pressure values are set by the manufacturer of your
paint. I set the gun to a 5 to 6" fan spray vertical. I used a 20 gallon 5
HP air compressor. I installed a disposable air filter/dryer at the inlet
of the gun along with a pressure regulator for quick access. There are
other guns available but be careful of the lesser expensive guns. The paint
will specify a tip size know this if you have to buy a spray gun. You can
get a decent gun for around $100.00. I have a second gun for just primer
and primer only. I was told to never use paint in a primer gun, just so you
never have to worry about left over primer getting into your paint mix
"harder to clean completely out of a gun".

Spraying
(This is largely technique and requires practice for first timers).
If you are spraying the car yourself then follow this closely. Practice
without paint if you need to or if this is your first paint. Use air and an
empty gun to get the feel of it. Whenever filling the cup always pour
through a strainer. I mixed the basemaker with the paint in a 1:1 ratio
(specified by manufacturer) in an empty clean gallon paint can then poured
it into the paint cup of the gun. If you are using plastic flex additives,
add them in the cup of the gun. For clear coat only, add your activator for
the clear in the cup of the gun. Keep the spray gun at least 8 to 10 inches
from the surface you are spraying. Follow the contour of the surface. If
you get too close you will get a puddle or a nice run / sag in your paint.
This is where the paint runs down the side of the car. Base coats are
usually pretty tolerant to this. Don't get in a hurry to apply. Use a
constant motion with the gun. You will usually spray in a left to right and
then back technique. Do it this way: start at the left (press the trigger
as you begin to move right) continue to move to the right, once you stop at
the right let off the trigger if you are going to go back left then press
the trigger when you begin to move. In other words, do not leave the gun
spraying as you switch directions moving right to left or vice versa. Go
one arms length or off the car. If your arm stops moving, stop spraying.
This will prevent spray from collecting at the stop and start points. You
can effectively spray 3 or 4 ft wide on each pass. Overlap each pass about
half starting at the top and working your way down. The way I painted my
hood, roof and decklid was I stood on the side by the front wheel and
started in the middle and went windshield to radiator working my way out
(towards me). I spray the sides of the car first including the front and
back ends then the hood, roof and decklid. In my opinion, this will
prevent overspray from settling on the hood, roof and decklid. Check your
work before you move on to the next application.

CLEAN THE GUN OUT WHEN YOU SWITCH MATERIALS.

I used Lacquer thinner for this.
Primer, clean gun, and then store it. I have a second gun just for primer.
Spray your base with your selected base paint, clean gun, clear, clean gun.
How many coats? I sprayed (3) base coats and (3) clear coats. I use a
mid-temperature paint (70 to 80 degrees ambient temperature). It had a
flash time of 10 minutes. This means that I can re-coat after 10 minutes.
I waited over night to apply the clear. The paint that I used allowed up to
24 hours for clear coat application. If you wait over night, then before
you spray the clear, dust the car off with a dry lint free cloth. I used
about 1/2 gallon of base paint and 1/2 gallon of clear coat.

DO NOT MIX BASE PAINT AND CLEAR COAT.

The base paint uses an additive called basemaker and the clear uses an
additive called an activator.
After spraying.
Give the car a week or two to cure. Delivery time (cured and derivable)
will be specified on the particular product that you used. Mine was 24 hours,
but I gave it a week. At this time you can do one of two things:
1. You can be tickled that you did an excellent job and un-mask
everything and be done or
2. You can polish.
Polishing.
If you are like me and want a perfect mirror shine then read on.
I used a 1500 grit wet or dry sandpaper and wet sanded the entire vehicle.
This will take some time. I used a firm rubber sanding block to sand the
large flatter areas. Don't apply too much pressure but apply some. You
should work up a light white residue. You will feel the paper grab when you
are getting close. Dry the spot you are working on and look at the
reflection from an angle. (While you are sanding you are looking 90 degrees
to the surface), sight down the side or across the hood to see the images.
Look at the way objects in the room appear. If they are not clear enough
then continue sanding. Once you are happy with that, I used a 2000 grit wet
or dry sandpaper following the same approach. After you are happy with
that, I used a Dewalt 90 degree (angle) polisher to buff the car at 1400
RPM. I used the hook and loop foam rubbing pad (made for polishers) it is
about 7 inches in diameter, and 3M Super Duty heavy cut liquid rubbing
compound. I followed this by buffing the car three times with a 3M clear
coat safe liquid polishing compound and a new polishing pad at 1800 RPM.
After this I was done. I waited 3 months before I waxed the car to give it
ample time to dry out.

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I can go through it tonight, but don't forget that Rogergarrison is also an expert in the paint field. He might not be as good looking as I am *cough*, but he knows how to paint......and he gets the girls! (my wife would kick my a**)

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or Testors.

Mark

The Same that makes Modle PAINT????????

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im still a littel confused on how exactly you paint the Roof
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The Same that makes Modle PAINT????????



You caught that, heh?

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im still a littel confused on how exactly you paint the Roof



The roof and decklid areas that have loose or missing paint gets sanded down until the loose paint is gone and you are sanding into a solid finish, whether it's the original primer or even the plastic itself. Once you have sanded to a good surface, then you prime and paint over that. Your new paint is only as good as the surface under it, so once the loose material is removed, your new primer and paint will be sprayed onto a good solid surface.

I hope that answers that, and I'm sorry for any confusion.

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Wow Firefox and GSXRBOBBY, thanks for those execellent replies. Your guys really did answer a lot of my questions i had. Only one question though and that is, When i am sanding the panels if i get down to the original primer i still have to put a new coat of primer over that. Is that correct? I am using PPG Omni so firefox if you think of any other helpful tips since you too use PPG could you tell me. I will definitely post pics in a couple of weeks after its finished and ill be sure to put this thread in my favorites. A + to everyone who helped me. Thanks a lot you guys
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Oh and Firefox, do you think 3 quarts of base and 3 quarts of clear should do it?
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Glad to help.

When you are sanding the panels and hit original primer, you don't NEED to prime, as the original primer will work, but you might want to prime anyway just so you are starting out with a solid color surface.

As for the Omni, I haven't sprayed any of that. I use Deltron (the DBU). As I understand it, according to the PPG website, the Omni is a ' value priced ' paint system. Take that for what it's worth, because like I said, I haven't sprayed with it. I learned to spray the Deltron DBU base and Concept clear at the dealership I worked at, and I stuck with it. It sprays wonderful and levels out and polishes beautifully. But, talk to your paint supplier and they will be able to give you whatever info you need. But, if you still have questions, I'll call my paint guy.

When I spray a car and change colors, I usually use 1 1/2 - 2 quarts of color and a quart of clear. The color goes down thinner and I usually spray 3 coats of color, and sometimes 4 coats if the paint is a more transparent color. The clear gets 2 coats and no more......a 3rd coat will make it run. But again, that's with DBU color base and Concept clear 2042.

I hope that helps.

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A lot of the Maacos use Omni paint for their low priced jobs......just for your info.
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I didn't know that......maybe that's why I don't use it..............
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I agree with Firefox, unless you get the intire car down to that one coat of primer "not going to happen" I would just like to see a solid one color coat of primer before to paint the car or the panels. Have you ever painted a room in a house? And you didn't prime it, you can see the areas where it changed colors from behind the paint. You sure don't want that on a car. Prime it! Primer is cheap compaired to paint!

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Just another quick tip. Most yellows are very transparent. See how well it covers on a test piece first. I find that spraying a good coat of white on it first, before the yellow helps it cover. White is usually the cheapest color next to blacks.
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Report this Post09-24-2004 07:25 PM Click Here to See the Profile for daniel87fierogtSend a Private Message to daniel87fierogtDirect Link to This Post
Rogergarrison, I sure didnt know that macco uses the omni. Well i would much rather have the delton that firefox uses so i will go down and get the deltron now. Thank you Roger for that good info. A + to you.
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