would this setup would alright? i am going to probly buy the 3.1 stroker kit and thinking about buying to comp cams 2030 cam kit. i know the 2030 is similar to the fiero stock cam, but a bit more aggressive. is this setup going to make the computer go wild or will it work out ok?

The 2030 cam will work fine with your engine. It is still within the parameters of what the ECM can control.

thanks i wasnt sure if it would be....is anyone currently running this cam or one very similar and has a sound clip of it? id love to hear what type of idle and sound it will produce..also if anyone has suggestions of another cam to use, that would be great too

EDIT: would i be able to put a turbo on this setup in the coming years or not?

[This message has been edited by sublime922 (edited 12-08-2003).]

I've got a 2030 in my 2.8, but the muffler has a big hole in it so if I made a sound clip, all you'd hear is exhaust.

It sounds a bit more aggressive than stock but it's far from being a huge difference. It doesn't really seem to make much more power from the seat-o-pants-meter. I'd guess that it adds in the neighborhood of 5-7hp. Nothing to get very excited about, unfortunately.

[This message has been edited by FleshRocket (edited 12-08-2003).]

For what it is worth. For the same $499 in that stroker kit you can purchase a remanufacturered 3.4L shortblock for $578. Both would have shipping charges but you would have to still have the 2.8L block cleaned and bored. That alone would be over $100, making the 2.8L stroker at $600 plus. the 3.4L shortblock is at $578. The 3.4L shortblock would aready be cleaned, bored and assembled.

As far as the 2030 cam it would be good for either the 3.1stroker or the 3.4L shortblock.

Here is some of the 2030 cam related parts:
Item Description Part # Cost Vendor Comments
1. Powermax 2030 Camshaft and lifter kit 254122 $169.95 Summit Racing CRN-254122
2. Valve Springs 99848-12 $64.99 Summit Racing CRN-99848-12
3. Retainers 99915-12 $50.39 Summit Racing CRN-99915-12
4. Valve Stems Locks 99041-1 $9.50 Summit Racing CRN-99041-1
5. Pushrods 25621-12 $98.69 Summit Racing CRN-25621-12
6. Gold Race Rockers - 1.6 ratio 25759-12 $318.95 Summit Racing CRN-25759-12

Just one word of caution on the spring suggestion...for what it is worth, if you do the math and have the springs at stock install height, the 99848-12 spring will compress to a point VERY close to spring bind (<.060). I have verified this with Crane...if you call and give them your MEASURED install height, they will recommend the 99849-12....my 2 cents...

quote Originally posted by Solo2: you can purchase a remanufacturered 3.4L shortblock for $578.

I don't mean to steal this thread or anything but where can you get a remanufactured 3.4L shortblock for that kind of money??? I didn't have any idea they were nearly that cheap. And what all is involved in swapping in a 3.4L? What parts need to be used from the 2.8L, and what needs to be purchased to make it work. Just wondering so I know in the future.

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[This message has been edited by dbtk2 (edited 12-08-2003).]

yea where exactly does this cheap shortblock come from? is it from citymotorsupply? if it is, then its gonna cost quite alot to get it to newjersey and there is probably a core charge on it too...but im open to hearing it if you know different

EDIT yes there is a 175 core charge and it is from citymotorsupply.com...probly around a hundred or so to ship it to my house....then i would have to have the starter drilled for the other side..it seems like this one is gonna cost a little more...wouldnt hurt to have the extra hp and torque though...but does this shortblock come with a cam and lifters? and timing set? ive seen a few cheap shortblocks but they were less cam and timing

[This message has been edited by sublime922 (edited 12-08-2003).]

The short block does comes with a standard 3.4L cam and timing set. The cam is the regular cam not any hipo cam and the timing set is the regular oem set. One word is why they have cheaper prices VOLUME and is located down southern where wages, the economy is lower. As far as shipping prices, $80 to 100$ UPS ground to New York or Cal. no different than the $50 to $75 it is going to cost to ship the 3.1L stroker kit. The stroker kit you will still have to purchase the timing set. Cheapest price is $45 to $55. Add that and now we are the same price as the stroker.

FYI city motors is an oem facility to the ford and gm dealership on remanufactured motors that just to happen that it is also open to the public.

I have there shortblock sitting in my gargage and I will take that anyday over the stroker because time to assemble the stroker kit and I assemble the 3.4L shortblock, we both will be within about $100 from another.

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As far as drilling the starter holes, if you can install the 2030 cam than drilling the holes is no harder. Rodney has an excellant kit that you can do very cheaply and it takes about 2 hours to do the whole thing. His starter relocation kit is under $50. So if you do the math, 160hp max for the stroker 3.1L for around $700 or 190hp max for the 3.4L for around $700 to $800. So which is more bang for the buck? The 3.1L stroker or the 3.4L conversion?
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quote Originally posted by Cplensdorf: Just one word of caution on the spring suggestion...for what it is worth, if you do the math and have the springs at stock install height, the 99848-12 spring will compress to a point VERY close to spring bind (<.060). I have verified this with Crane...if you call and give them your MEASURED install height, they will recommend the 99849-12....my 2 cents...

yes, the cam works great. but as mentioned here - recommended springs suck!

well, from city motor supply,
3.4 shortblock-$568 $175 core $150 shipping then $100 or so in gaskets, $200 to have my heads rebuilt then $50 for lifters and $50 for oil pump....should give a good estimate of...$1300 then need starter jig for another 50.

3.1 shortblock $395 $150 core $150 shipping $100 or so in gaskets, $200 on head rebuilds, $100 for lifters and oil pump...comes to about $1100

then strokeing my 2.8 to 3.1

Block and head machine work a rebuild. $400, $550 for kit and shipping, $100 or so in gaskets, $100 for oil pump and lifters...say around 1150...plus aggrivation of building

so many choices on what to do now.....with the 3.4, i thought it was just redrill starter holes, oil adapter, and then drop it in...i didnt know anything about chopping part of the block or retapping some mount hole...

This is the GM High Performance Cam that I am running in my Z24

It is the biggest Cam that I could find that would not interfere with the computer.

12364059 Camshaft Kit
Applicable to all 1980-94 Chevrolet 60º V6 (2.8-liter & 3.1-liter) engines, this performance-oriented camshaft kit is designed to significantly improve mid-range torque and horsepower without sacrificing idle quality. The basic RPM range is 1500-4500 with 6500 RPM attainable using proper valve springs. Cruise RPM is designed for 2200-2600 RPM, and a compression ratio of 8.0-9.5 to 1 is recommended. This kit is not legal for pollution-controlled vehicles. This camshaft kit is designed and manufactured by Crane Camshaft Co.® for GM Service Parts Division. The kit includes (1) camshaft and (12) tappets. The duration at .050 lift (intake/exhaust) is 204º/216º, while the value lift is .427"/.454". Lobe centerline is 112.

AND this is the Valve Springs that they suggested to go with my cam, but I never did get around to installing them.

12363215 Valve Spring
This valve spring is used in the new 3.4-liter engine conversion package (P/N 12363230) and designed for moderate performance usage. Manufactured from chrome silicon wire, this spring produces 105 pounds of seat pressure at an installed height of 1.70" and 296 pounds open pressure at a height of 1.20".

[This message has been edited by Inferno (edited 12-09-2003).]

I have the crane 2030 on my 2.8, no problems with it but holy CRAP are those lifters ever noisy! This isn't a lash issue, I've had the valve covers off at least 11 times trying to get those buggers to quiet down.

ShadowWolf,

I concur with the noise thing...I am totally disappointed with the noise from my Crane lifters. These things are awefully noisy...and I too have taken mine down and relashed them several times, but same noise.....

Anyone else have similar concerns?