What are you guys running?? And what are the part #s??? I welcome experience as well as opinions!!!! I know Alot of you have gone through the trial and error, it is greatly appreciated if you would share those experiences!!!
I think most guys are running the Sanderson CC90 block huggers. I modified mine for better flow. IMO they are crap. Poor construction, restrictive collector, overpriced. Quality like a $79 Heddman but cost $220. I am close to starting the exhaust on my 86 and will build my own with parts from headers by Ed. Ed has built headers for me before. Ed is the man.
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tesmith66 Member
Posts: 7355 From: Jerseyville, IL Registered: Sep 2001
I'm going with the ram horns too. Durable and cheap. You can pick them up on ebay for anywhere from $5 and up. The ones with the 2 1/2 inch colloctor is more expensive and came on the older Vettes. Thats what I have. I think most have a 2 inch collector.
anyother major companies been used besides sanderson??? How about just normal center dump blockhuggers or the shorty type with the collector on the right bank straight back and the left angled down more? I guess they were Blazer exhaust manifolds
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skitime Member
Posts: 5765 From: Akron, PA, USA Registered: Aug 2000
I believe West Coast Fiero is now making headers for the V8 in Fieros.
Heres a few shots of them installed on a block and trans, however no in car shots of them as of yet due to pending V-8 kit development.
------------------ ( the above was the thoughts, views, and opinions of a disgruntled Fiero mechanic, and do not express or imply those of West Coast Fiero, Fieros West, or any other organization - just that of this poor bastard ) :) Eric Nelson Technician, West Coast Fiero 310-305-4111
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Jim88GT Member
Posts: 712 From: Portsmouth, Virginia Registered: Sep 2002
I used Sanderson ceramic coated when I did my ZZ4 S-10 conversion 3 years ago. I'm happy with the quality and they are still leak free and look great after 40,000 miles.
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Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
I believe West Coast Fiero is now making headers for the V8 in Fieros.
Can you imagine all the heat that would add to the engine compartment.
Also the tube from cylinder #1 would not clear the alternator. The 4 tubes from the front side of the engine run right above the starter & we all know how much starters like heat. Also, routing the remote oil filter hoses would be a nightmare. Can you imagine trying to service that exhaust in the car?
I'll bet there isn't a V-8 Fiero running around with that system on it.
Come on Eric, show us pictures of a finished car that actually has that system on it.
breakneck88: Block huggers hug the block too closely and the #1 exhaust tube interfers with the alternator. I've researched virtually every kind of header and the Sanderson is what fits best.
Archie
Tell me now what can fit or look better than this.....
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cardealer Member
Posts: 511 From: austin tx usa Registered: Jan 2001
CarDealer, how are the SSAutochrome ones holding up? I've seen the other shorty's they sell and was far from impressed. They had thin tubing and thin flanges.
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West Coast Fiero Member
Posts: 2044 From: Los Angeles, CA, USA Registered: Jun 2001
As my previous post clearly stated, these are not installed due to pending kit development as it is just not high priority at this point in time - read into each of my posts just a little more before you go on the defensive.
Question - any particular reason why these remote oil filter lines are so long and ( appear to ) run right by the header?
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Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
Originally posted by West Coast Fiero: Question - any particular reason why these remote oil filter lines are so long and ( appear to ) run right by the header?
They have at least 4" of clearance to the Header and downpipe.
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Originally posted by West Coast Fiero:
As my previous post clearly stated, these are not installed due to pending kit development as it is just not high priority at this point in time - read into each of my posts just a little more before you go on the defensive.
It's not about me being defensive, Lord knows you have nothing to offer that I need to be defensive about.
This is about you advocating (by posting pictures of) a system that is untried and untested. The guy asked about what people are using now, not some pipe dream of what you think will work.
Archie
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Apr 23rd, 2003
John Boelte Member
Posts: 1012 From: Indianapolis, IN, USA Registered: Jun 2002
CarDealer, how are the SSAutochrome ones holding up? I've seen the other shorty's they sell and was far from impressed. They had thin tubing and thin flanges.
the ones i got are great, although i didnt get mine for as cheap as on ebay. i ordered mine directly from ssautochrome. i had a 2 minute phone conversation with the people at sanderson and swore i would never do business with them(her) again. the ones i got from ssautochrome seem well constructed, thick flanges, ect. but for as cheap as they are on ebay, hell just buy two pair. good luck
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breakneck88 Member
Posts: 265 From: Chambersburg P.A. Registered: Feb 2003
Hey Now!!!! Everyone take a time out!!!!! lol! Wow! West Coast Keep working at it! the experimenting is half the fun! I think I might try the ssautochrome headers. Although I am curious to see if anyone has tried two left bank (ODDS) headers, instead of the center dumps. I am just not sure if the rear headers aiming out torwards the right rear would work??? So looking at the sbc from the back of the car, the front header goes left and the rear header goes right? Either way, with any of the above set ups you guys are running, Do you run true duals???? and what mufflers are you going with? ( this is kind of changing the subject,) I appreciate EVERYONES experience, opinions and attempts.
the ones i got are great, although i didnt get mine for as cheap as on ebay. i ordered mine directly from ssautochrome. i had a 2 minute phone conversation with the people at sanderson and swore i would never do business with them(her) again. the ones i got from ssautochrome seem well constructed, thick flanges, ect. but for as cheap as they are on ebay, hell just buy two pair. good luck
I was wondering about those when I spotted them on ebay last week.
They certainly look good on the engine!
(cardealer's photo- I'm just borrowing it from his Yahoo album)
Do you have any further details about your exhaust system (what else do you have in there? cat(s)? muffler(s)?) I'm just curious, as it'll be a long time before I get around to actually working on my V8 project
Hey Now!!!! Everyone take a time out!!!!! lol! Wow! West Coast Keep working at it! the experimenting is half the fun! I think I might try the ssautochrome headers. Although I am curious to see if anyone has tried two left bank (ODDS) headers, instead of the center dumps. I am just not sure if the rear headers aiming out torwards the right rear would work??? So looking at the sbc from the back of the car, the front header goes left and the rear header goes right? Either way, with any of the above set ups you guys are running, Do you run true duals???? and what mufflers are you going with? ( this is kind of changing the subject,) I appreciate EVERYONES experience, opinions and attempts.
No worries, just throwin in some ideas.
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West Coast Fiero Member
Posts: 2044 From: Los Angeles, CA, USA Registered: Jun 2001
Hey Now!!!! Everyone take a time out!!!!! lol! Wow! West Coast Keep working at it! the experimenting is half the fun! I think I might try the ssautochrome headers. Although I am curious to see if anyone has tried two left bank (ODDS) headers, instead of the center dumps. I am just not sure if the rear headers aiming out torwards the right rear would work??? So looking at the sbc from the back of the car, the front header goes left and the rear header goes right? Either way, with any of the above set ups you guys are running, Do you run true duals???? and what mufflers are you going with? ( this is kind of changing the subject,) I appreciate EVERYONES experience, opinions and attempts.
If the front header goes toward the left it is going to be real close to the starter. If it goes to the right it will be close to the A/C compressor. The header also needs to stay a certain distance from the block. Also, for servicablity and clearance, the tubes of the header need to stay above the spark plugs. The center dump CC90 style header is the only one that fills all those needs.
On the rear header the header collector needs to be as short as posible to make the pipes fit and stay out away from the block to clear the axle shaft. A header that goes to the right will interfer with the toe link from the suspension & any pipe that attaches to it will be difficult to route. Once again I can't understand why people can't accept that someone has already tried all these variations.
Another note, almost all headers that are of the style you are looking at are designed for a front engined rear wheel drive car and they tend to stay in too close to the engine block for our purposes.
Archie
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Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
[quote]They have at least 4" of clearance to the Header and downpipe.[/qoute]
OK, Still - why are they so long? If you choose to avoid the question, I understand, thats just your style
Eric, pay attention just in case you haven't noticed, I don't like you even a little bit. After all the crap you've given me over the years with all your lies and miss-informed comments, I don't avoid your questions, I IGNORE THEM.
I've been using the same oil hoses for 16 years now and they work just fine. Just in case you can't figure ot out, the hose closest to the engine has to run alongside the engine between the block and the starter, so it's length is a given. To make that hose shorter would invite kinks. Since the area where that hose has to run is good and safe, the other hose is the same length with the same routing.
Archie
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12:36 PM
KissMySSFiero Member
Posts: 5541 From: Tarpon Springs, FL USA Registered: Nov 2000
My truck has longer hoses to the remote oil filter then a V8 fiero. And it comes that way from the factory. They also run about the same distance from the manifold.
BTW: I can understand why people insist on trying other methods. Did you listen to your parents everytime they told you not to do something? Even though, they had already done it? Go figure, same thing happened just like they said.
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GKDINC Member
Posts: 1812 From: East Tawas MI Registered: Dec 2001
Someone should ask what tranny you intend to use? The auto might make a difference in your choice. JMO Gary P.S. I use the ram horns funished by Archie with the auto. Works Great.
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Apr 24th, 2003
Mr. Farknocker Member
Posts: 431 From: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Dec 2001
I think this topic has been covered several times.
I use Archie's ramhorn manifolds. Dave Vizard's literature says that this is just about the best stock manifold you can get your hands on in terms of flow (i.e., cfm). There is no doubt in my mind that it is extremely durable, fits well and performs well.
Others have used Sanderson's CC90 with success. It sports 1-1/2" diam. primaries. These headers are similar in shape and form, have separate primaries, angle straight down instead of toward the oil pan and extend about 3.5" from the head (if my memory serves me correct).
Pictures of the CC90 have been posted before by another member and are reproduced here for illustrative purposes:
Pictures comparing ramhorns and the CC90s have also been posted before by someone else in the forum. Here they are:
A while back, I purchased a set of Sanderson's CC2. They are similar to the CC90 but sport 1-5/8" primaries instead of 1-1/2". I think the collectors are also angled slightly toward the oil pan. They reportedly fit so I purchased a pair. I have yet to install them though. Obviously, these headers will provide better flow figures than the CC90s and the ramhorns.
Here are some photos I took of the CC2:
I'll post 2 additional pictures in the following posts because of technical limitations imposed by this forum.
Farknocker
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Mr. Farknocker Member
Posts: 431 From: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Dec 2001
i talked to the guy at sanderson, he said the cc90's are the ones to have , and he said i could get them cheeper through century performance.com he was right, they were $15 cheeper through century, they cost me $360 + $15 shipping
not that you all care, i just thought id share
------------------ Rich white 86 se, 2" drop, coil overs, KYB's. CRX intake, ported manifolds
Gold 86 se, Built 355, 4:10 adjustable Koni's, Eibach's,polly. and lots more!!
SOLD the Mitsu.
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Jul 27th, 2003
1986GTV8 Member
Posts: 1259 From: Orlando,FL,USA Registered: Mar 2002
Im not a V8 guy but the set up that WCF has is identical to my V6 setup the firewall bank comes up and over the tranny and meets the rear bank at the top. There is no 'added heat'. Geez look at the factory V6 exhaust that basically coils around the bottom of the engine creating a blast furnace effect. Those V8's with block huggers I assume run the firewall side down and under the car. To me, that doesnt make sense, but then again thats my opinion Heat radiates UP not down. If your heat source is above or level with motor your not gonna heat soak it.
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Lambykin Member
Posts: 619 From: Burlington, Ontario, Canada Registered: May 2003
In answer to the original question, like many others, I use the regular "ramhorn" style of exhaust manifold you can easily find on most GM V8s from the 70s and 80s.
i talked to the guy at sanderson, he said the cc90's are the ones to have , and he said i could get them cheeper through century performance.com he was right, they were $15 cheeper through century, they cost me $360 + $15 shipping
Let's just assume you simply made a typo. I purchased a set of CC90 from Century les than a year ago. Freight included they cost $227.01. And contrary to another post, the Sandersons are well made, with some of the thickest flanges on the market. Wile it's correct that the [sweet young lady] at Sandersons is [less than courtious], the people at Century are great to work with and quite helpfull. Maybe some folks on this board just don't get enough sx
PS: Keep working on it West Coast. Nothing wrong with trying new things. You may want to look at a clearance issue with the shift cables, on some trans, and the top ex pipe shown in your photo.
Russ Camp
------------------ 86 SE350 x 4 speed (my way) 86 SE2.8 x 4 speed (all-option restored) 88 coupe x 5 speed (future IMSA 4.3L project)
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Tina Member
Posts: 2858 From: At an elevation of 8564 feet. Registered: Nov 2000
Im not a V8 guy but the set up that WCF has is identical to my V6 setup the firewall bank comes up and over the tranny and meets the rear bank at the top. There is no 'added heat'. Geez look at the factory V6 exhaust that basically coils around the bottom of the engine creating a blast furnace effect. Those V8's with block huggers I assume run the firewall side down and under the car. To me, that doesnt make sense, but then again thats my opinion Heat radiates UP not down. If your heat source is above or level with motor your not gonna heat soak it.
Do you worry more about what's happening when you're driving or parked? There's a lot more cool air under the car than in the engine compartment at speed. I'd rather have the exhaust under the car than running around the engine compartment. All that surface area radiates heat.
Headers don't hold enough heat to do much heat soaking, but they radiate plenty!
(wish I had a dollar for each one)
