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car won't start! by noodle
Started on: 12-05-2002 07:15 PM
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Report this Post12-05-2002 07:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for noodleSend a Private Message to noodleDirect Link to This Post
The car worked fine all day and I went in the house for a few minutes and went to leave and the car wouldn't start. It was only sitting for about an hour any thoughts??

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Report this Post12-05-2002 07:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for REDHOTT88Send a Private Message to REDHOTT88Direct Link to This Post
What does it do?

Make any sound at all?
Turnover?
Click?
Turn key and nothing?
Lights work?

Need more details......

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Report this Post12-05-2002 07:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for GTDudeDirect Link to This Post
First guess........ignition module!

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Report this Post12-05-2002 08:02 PM Click Here to See the Profile for noodleDirect Link to This Post
It is trying to turn over but just won't start, all my lights work and the heater works but I never checked my fuses yet. I have a code 44 and need a new oxygen sensor but that wouldn't make the car not start would it??

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Report this Post12-05-2002 09:12 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Poncho JimClick Here to visit Poncho Jim's HomePageDirect Link to This Post
"Turning over" means the starter is causing the crankshaft to rotate. The engine doesn't have to start, it just has to rotate.

Does "trying to turn over" mean the starter is working but rotating the engine *very very* slowly. Like the battery is weak ???

Or is it just clicking.. (Not turning the crank shaft over.. just trying to) ?

Or do you mean, you turn the key, the engine makes the noise it normally does, but it doesn't start ?

It wouldn't be your O2 sensor. If the motor cranks over normally then as GT Dude suggested.. It's probably your ignition module.

If the starter motor can't move the crankshaft, then it's a wiring thing.

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Report this Post12-05-2002 09:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for noodleDirect Link to This Post
When I turn the key, the engine makes the noise it normally does, but it won't start and it isn't clicking. It is getting weak because the battery is dieing, how much do you think a ignition module is?, they aren't too hard to get are they?

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Report this Post12-05-2002 11:25 PM Click Here to See the Profile for blazin'Send a Private Message to blazin'Direct Link to This Post
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Oh my god Wittenfag.. Relax

I stopped in to noodle's place after work @ 11:00 pm, brrr was it cold! And we checked for spark and then fuel. Well, she has nice spark... But no fuel. If ya haven't already guessed, his car is an '84 Coupe w/2.5 & 4 spd.

So... No fuel=no fun. So I checked his f/p fuse, which was fine. Now, his fan is hard wired so when the key is turned, it'll come on...Which makes hearing the f/p hard. So I unplugged that, and turned the key and there was no "whiiiiiiir". So the fuel pump is currently inoperative.

The battery is getting quite low, but I doubt that this is the problem. I'm hoping that the pump is not being told to come on, thus directing the attention of myself to the f/p relay as the culprit. But again, I doubt this is the prob. as the f/p should come on after a few seconds of cranking.

I'm gonna get my test light out tomorrow and see what wires are getting power, this should help further diagnose the problem.

Don't fret Noodle, I found a f/p at Poehl's for $65. Don't forget my shop discount

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Report this Post12-06-2002 02:32 AM Click Here to See the Profile for jelly2m8Send a Private Message to jelly2m8Direct Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by blazin':

Don't fret Noodle, I found a f/p at Poehl's for $65. Don't forget my shop discount

They are even cheaper at jelly's

If ya need anything, LMK, I'll courier them up , all ya need to do is pay for the shipping.

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Report this Post12-06-2002 04:49 AM Click Here to See the Profile for BN BoomerSend a Private Message to BN BoomerDirect Link to This Post
Good luck. I just replaced the fuel pump in my 85 GT. It really isn't all that hard. Only took a couple of hours. Just get the Fiero high enough to give yourself plenty of room to move around underneath.
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fuel pumps aren't bad. here's my page on how
http://www.mtsu.edu/~mkr2c/fuelpump.htm

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Report this Post12-06-2002 11:07 AM Click Here to See the Profile for blazin'Send a Private Message to blazin'Direct Link to This Post
Today we played around with the wires going to the f/p relay...So...the tan/white wire is hot at all times like it should be, and the green wire is hot when the key is turned like it should be. Hopefully it was the relay that was faulty.... Guess not. Then we crossed the ground to the f/p connector in the aldl connector, and no fuel pump. We need a new fuel pump.

We're goin out to maybe get one from a guy who owes me a favor. We'll let you know Jel if we still need one, thanks for the offer -- Another example of fellow Fiero owner's hospitality!!

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Well, we just visited one of the local Fiero nutz and he has a fuel pump he'll sell for 20 bux. The guy kept us there for about an hour just talking, he loves his little Fiero's!

Hey Jel, how about ya courier me up a fastback trunklock?? j/k I AM going to make a trip down your way soon. It's been awhile since I've been down, we'll hafta get Bix down there so Ryan can meet him.

Hey Lurker, I forgot to thank you in my last thread... Thats a nice informative how-to page. Thank you!

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Report this Post12-06-2002 05:14 PM Click Here to See the Profile for lurkerSend a Private Message to lurkerDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by blazin':
Hey Lurker, I forgot to thank you in my last thread... Thats a nice informative how-to page. Thank you!

glad you like it, i'm going to try to document all the major jobs on my car. there's an engine swap (duke to duke) page in there too.

there's a minor error on the "tapping out the locking ring" picture, i should have the
screwdriver on a tab on the inside edge of the ring, not the outside. i think it might be possible to break off the tab shown, but i didnt want to tear the tank back out and retake the picture.

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Report this Post12-06-2002 05:18 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jelly2m8Send a Private Message to jelly2m8Direct Link to This Post
 
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Hey Jel, how about ya courier me up a fastback trunklock??


I have it sitting on my tool box, lemme know if you want it sent.

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Report this Post12-07-2002 09:46 AM Click Here to See the Profile for blazin'Send a Private Message to blazin'Direct Link to This Post
 
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I have it sitting on my tool box, lemme know if you want it sent.

Don't worry bout that I'll be down in the coming weeks.

Good pages lurker! Got em bookmarked

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We went and got the fuel pump from that guy today, and it checked out fine after we tested it. (Good stuff) We didn't have the time today to drop the tank. Noodle wanted to start it up, so he dumped a bit of gas down the t/b and she started right up.

But it stayed running! Everything is in working order now. What is up with this?? lol

Hopefully it continues to work fine.

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Report this Post12-07-2002 05:54 PM Click Here to See the Profile for anaverinSend a Private Message to anaverinDirect Link to This Post
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Report this Post12-07-2002 06:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Coupe85Send a Private Message to Coupe85Direct Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Poncho Jim:

Or do you mean, you turn the key, the engine makes the noise it normally does, but it doesn't start ?


I'm not trying to hijack this thread but I have the same problem.

What causes that? My 85 Sport Coupe is doing that to me now. She cranks and cranks but won't fire.

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Report this Post12-07-2002 10:23 PM Click Here to See the Profile for blazin'Send a Private Message to blazin'Direct Link to This Post
Hi-jackers will not be dealt with lightly!!

Are you getting spark and fuel?

She's still running! I wish I had half the luck with my Fiero's that noodle has with his.

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Originally posted by blazin':

Hi-jackers will not be dealt with lightly!!

Are you getting spark and fuel?

She's still running! I wish I had half the luck with my Fiero's that noodle has with his.

I'm getting fuel, at least I can smell fuel when I try to start it. Spark I'm not so sure on because I am the only one work on it right now. Is there a way I can check the spark by myself? Hey cool, post number 200.


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Report this Post12-07-2002 11:38 PM Click Here to See the Profile for blazin'Send a Private Message to blazin'Direct Link to This Post
Checking for fuel and spark is a lot easier with two ppl. Get some help Ya just need someone to turn the key for ya!
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Report this Post12-07-2002 11:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jelly2m8Send a Private Message to jelly2m8Direct Link to This Post
It is possible it was teh fuel pump, starting the car may just have been enough vibration to trigger the fuel pump again.

If this is what may have happened, don't trust that pump.

Next time when it dies, and you think it's the fuel pump, jack the rear of the car, kick the fuel tank, or hit it with a rubber mallet and see if the pump runs

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