I would like to supercharge my 3.4. With the turbo looking supercharger. Has anyone done it? If you have, can you give me some info. Me and my friend in the club were talking and that would be something different. So if anyone has info please help. Thank you.

I read in Sport Compact Car that in the ultimate street car challange there were two 2.8 v6 built supercharged cars. Can anyone tell me about their systems please. Need help on this topic.

I found this iste that talks about the supercharger. I can not find one to by though.
http://www.sunpoint.net/~pontiac/power.htm

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There was a company that sold the supercharger for $3000 but I no longer have the link. Had a computer problem and lost everything.

I know a few people are looking for one. I have left e-mails with a few companies and people I know trying to find one.

RS Motorsports of Canada. I take it they are no longer in business? I can't find them on the web anyway.

Earl

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Try www.superchargersonline.com - they're in Burbank. If you do this, please e-mail me and tell me how you got your car to pass smog with the supercharger on it. I'd love to supercharge mine !

I was contacted by Mika Ruusuvuori from the Finland Fiero Club. He said that RS Motorsports is out of business. But He has a Turboed 2.8 stroked and is pushing 420HP at the wheels. He said "...thats enough for this small car..."

Supercharger Online said that they had never heard of one for the 2.8/3.1/3.4. I sent them another inquirery about RS Motorsport to see if they could dig something up.

I know how a S/C works in principle, but what are some of the difficulties in putting one on like a Vortec?

Brackets, Belt, Chip, ECM?

I guess I'll have to play with my new engine and see.

Earl

[QUOTE]Originally posted by FieroGT87:
[B]I was contacted by Mika Ruusuvuori from the Finland Fiero Club. He said that RS Motorsports is out of business. But He has a Turboed 2.8 stroked and is pushing 420HP at the wheels. He said "...thats enough for this small car..."

Do you mean 240HP? 420 is a way bit much for any 2.8L turbo'd supered" and hitting the NOS.

matthew

It is hard to fix up your motor in California. It would be easier to supercharge the car because when it is time to smog I can just un-bolt the stuff. I love turbo but then I would have to change my exchaust system and it would be more time spent on taking of the turbo and putting on the old exchaust. Thanks for all the info.

quote Originally posted by m0sh_man: [QUOTE]Originally posted by FieroGT87: [B]I was contacted by Mika Ruusuvuori from the Finland Fiero Club. He said that RS Motorsports is out of business. But He has a Turboed 2.8 stroked and is pushing 420HP at the wheels. He said "...thats enough for this small car..." Do you mean 240HP? 420 is a way bit much for any 2.8L turbo'd supered" and hitting the NOS. matthew

think he meant 420.. ya crazy isn't it? I think Fieromaster (Craig Gibson) knows someone like this guy, I saw a coupe styled fiero at the MI show with a turbo and Craig told me that was the guy! intercooled, turbo'ed what not it had it all.. heck I'd be happy to hit 250-300 and have it all the time

think if I ever get the time I'll just do a 3.8 SC, I'm happy with the nitrous now but it can only fulfill my needs for a bit

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quote Originally posted by m0sh_man: "Do you mean 240HP? 420 is a way bit much for any 2.8L turbo'd supered" and hitting the NOS." matthew

Heres the E-mail he sent me:

"The company has gone down.
Maby you should just use a normal exhaust turbo like I use.
We measured 420hp at the rear wheels and I think that is enough for
this small car.

Terveisin / Best regards

Mika Ruusuvuori
IT-manager"

Not ever seeing the car I couldn't vouch one way or the other. I would love to get 420 Hp out of my 2.8 thats for sure.

Earl

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quote Originally posted by FieroGT87: Heres the E-mail he sent me: "The company has gone down. Maby you should just use a normal exhaust turbo like I use. We measured 420hp at the rear wheels and I think that is enough for this small car. Terveisin / Best regards Mika Ruusuvuori IT-manager" Not ever seeing the car I couldn't vouch one way or the other. I would love to get 420 Hp out of my 2.8 thats for sure. Earl [This message has been edited by FieroGT87 (edited 06-12-2002).]

420rwhp are a lot of power eaven more with 2.8 engine. Ask him for dyno sheets and how he do it.

Thanx

DreX

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/016835.html

quote Originally posted by FieroGT87: I was contacted by Mika Ruusuvuori from the Finland Fiero Club. He said that RS Motorsports is out of business. But He has a Turboed 2.8 stroked and is pushing 420HP at the wheels. He said "...thats enough for this small car..." I know how a S/C works in principle, but what are some of the difficulties in putting one on like a Vortec? Brackets, Belt, Chip, ECM? I guess I'll have to play with my new engine and see. Earl

The figure of 420 Hp from a 2.8L seems highly unlikely unless a combination of boost and nitrous is used. Even if this HP figure was achieved it is probably not a good idea to push the 60* engine this hard without a forged crank and high strength rods such as those made by Carillo. The closest that any Fiero owner has come to making 400 HP from a 60* V6 was proabbly Ron Meyers of Pennsylvania with his turbocharged and nitrous fed 3.1L. He was using 10 psi boost w a 75 HP shot of nitrous. As far as I know, Ron's 11.9 1/4 mile time of five years ago in a V6 Fiero has never been equalled to this day. Rons engine did stay together but I'm not sure what crank and rods he was running. However, he did burn a few clutches in the process.
To answer the question of installing a supercharger on the 2.8 -3.4L family the limitation is available space. The supercharger kit sold by RS Motorsports used a Swedish made Rotrex supercharger. It was a small unit (based on a modified turbo) and it needed to be spun rather fast to generate boost. David Suda of Pittsburg PA was running the RS/Rotrex supercharger kit and having mixed results with it. I believe that there were some reliability issues with the system. If he reads this post I hope that he will give us the "skinny".

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87GT 3.4 Turbo Best 0-60 5.2 seconds
http://turbofiero.fierojoe.com/turbo.htm

So RSM Racing does make a Supercharger for 2.8 Fiero's still as well as the 3.4. Just have to give up the A/C I take it.

Thanks Will: http://webhome.idirect.com/~rsm1/

Earl

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I called Magnusen(specialize in Eatons)today about a new nose for my T-bird M90. What jackasses. THey told me I pretty much had to be a millionare for them to do business with me.

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quote Originally posted by FieroGT87: So RSM Racing does make a Supercharger for 2.8 Fiero's still as well as the 3.4. Just have to give up the A/C I take it. Thanks Will: http://webhome.idirect.com/~rsm1/ Earl [This message has been edited by FieroGT87 (edited 06-12-2002).]

Give up my A/C for a supercharger no way. That set up is also $3500. With a turbo you could keep the A/C and have all the boost that the engine could take for less than 1/2 the cost. If I set up a business I'm sure that I could offer a turbo setup custom installed for under $2500. A price of $3500 for a DIY kit is way too high.

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87GT 3.4 Turbo Best 0-60 5.2 seconds
http://turbofiero.fierojoe.com/turbo.htm

Giving up the A/C, hmmmmm, I think I would. This car is my weekend car anyway. Windows open, sunroof out, yea I think I would. So to have a engine no else has, kinda excites me.

Cost wise, I was looking at a 3.8 S/C and it still would be cheaper to put the S/C on the 2.8 with other modifications. HP isn't everything, but it does make it fun playing with the engine to see what you can do with it.

It's not about money either, because if your worried about getting your money back out of a project like this, or any other car for that matter, you lose.

Earl

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_High Performance Pontiac_'s Feb. 1992 issue had an '86 SE with a Paxton supercharger. I'll just quote from the magazine (pp. 26-27):

"The blower is a stock Paxton unit [that] delivers 8 pounds of boost to a basically stock engine. The only mods to the original V6 are 1.6:1 roller rockers, a custom-built exhaust sytem and an Accel-coiled MSD ignition...."

"The blower is driven by a jack spindle that runs from the accessory drive belts at the front of the engine to the rear of the engine, where the blower is mounted. This spindle is mounted on two high-speed bearings."

"The shaft running along the side of the engine is what makes the whole thing possible. Mounted in a pair of high speed bearings, this shaft transmits power from the accessory drive to the blower."

This setup required the brackets, etc be fabricated in a machine shop, so it wasn't a simple "bolt-on" project. And the article is over a decade old. But it does suggest an option for mounting a supercharger in the Fiero.

ct
'85 gt

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Love the information on that charge superchargers. I love turbo too. That was my first option. Now I want to do something different. Thanks for the info. Keep it coming.

I thought I would bump this back up. I got a reply from Mika Ruusuvuori and some more info on his 2.8. and thought I would share it.

Hello !

sorry about the late reply !

We bored the engine to 3,0 Litres, = 0,30 oversize.
Cam is Crane powermax (3 choices , we took the middle one) <-- seems to work
well.
We used original rockers but all other parts have been changed to highduty
versions.
One important thing is the oil pump, we used 3,1L engines "high output" oil
pump, it fits
when you cut some metal away from the oilpan.

LAst weekend I was in a dyno and we measured 340HP at 0,7bar pressure in
5800 Rpm.
torque was 410 Nm.

Terveisin / Best regards

Mika Ruusuvuori
IT-manager

Teletarvike Järvinen Oy
Toiviontie 1
33920 Pirkkala
Finland

A company within the Aurora Group

Phone: +358 3 3143 0200
Direct phone: +358 3 3143 0222
Fax: +358 3 3143 0220
Mobile phone: +358 4 0584 4441

E-mail: mpr@teletarvike.com
Web: http://www.teletarvike.com

"The shaft running along the side of the engine is what makes the whole thing possible. Mounted in a pair of high speed bearings, this shaft transmits power from the accessory drive to the blower."

This is the same setup that some Hondas SC have. Can one of those be adapted to a Fiero? Any ideas?

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N2O! 3.4!

quote Originally posted by FieroGT87: I was contacted by Mika Ruusuvuori from the Finland Fiero Club. He said that RS Motorsports is out of business...

They're not out of business. They even have a newly updated webpage. http://webhome.idirect.com/%7Ersm1/fiero.htm

The installation instructions for the Fiero kit are now online. As previously discussed, the SC mounts where the A/C compressor would go.
There's a lonnnnnnnnng pipe back to the throttle body. Might not work too bad, but it sure looks... umm... inneficient?

Also, check out the "new products" tab at the top of the page.
They have a SC kit for a 3100/3400 FWD that places the SC over the transaxle. Possibly it could be adapted to a Fiero.

Just an observation.

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Raydar

From the Department of Redundancy Department.

Alex4mula,

I found an address and phone # for O'Donahue Racing off the Internet. 14 Doty Rd, Haskell, NJ 07420. 201-835-2622.

Randy O'Donahue fabricated the setup using the stock paxton blower with a shaft transmitting power from the accessory drive to the blower.

That is the same contact info that's in the _High Performance Pontiac_ article from 1992. I couldn't find an email or web site. You might try calling--I don't have the time at the moment. Let me know what you find out if you call.

thanks,
ct
'85 gt

I have a Vortech Supercharger on my Race preped 3.3 (Started as a 2.8 Block) I am using a Vortech VS-9 Supercharger. The Supercharger kit came from RSM in Canada and my engine was built by Lingenfelter Engineering. My car is currently torn apart due to the tranny failing, but before it let go I was putting over 300 HP (Dynapack Dyno) at the wheels @ 10 PSI of boost. I got my trans back last week and after I complete the roll cage the car will be going back together, I hope.

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Matt
88 GT Vortech Supercharged 3.3 W/350HP
02 Subaru WRX AWD-T 230HP